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Published in Company Comment on 8 September 2006

Don't let fraudsters get their hands on your money by avoiding these latest share scams.

Where there is money fraudsters will somehow find a way to get their hands on it. Last week, this article looked at the way that scammers use the Internet to perpetrate an insidious form of pump-and-dump fraud via emails. Essentially, con artists pump up the price of a chosen share by despatching millions of emails indiscriminately in the hope that some recipients will buy the shares. Then they dump the shares and reap a handsome profit in the process.

Now, fraudsters have added a new twist to their spam scam. They are so convinced of their pump-and-dump scheme that they are now offering their services to companies to help boost their share prices for a fee. This new form of fraud was uncovered by Sophos, which helps companies protect their email servers.

It seems that fraudsters have told companies that they can improve their share price by up to 250% in just a matter of weeks. Additionally, companies don't have to pay anything in advance. According to emails intercepted by Sophos, the fraudsters will only ask for payment once the share price has risen and the volume of shares traded has increased. But the resourcefulness of the fraudsters doesn't stop there. The scammers said they can also provide potential investors with advance warning of companies that will be "pumped".

And just when you though it couldn't get any worse -- it does. Sophos has uncovered a pump-and-dump campaign in which scammers use animated graphics to display a subliminal message to potential investors.

The way this works is that subliminal messages that only last a fraction of a second are embedded in emails and websites. These messages may contain a "BUY" command that is unlikely to be detected by the conscious brain, though it may be registered by the subconscious mind. The idea is that it may subconsciously influence you to buy a share that you may not otherwise have considered.

Thing is, there is no evidence that subliminal advertising works. Market researcher James Vicary claimed in 1957 that he successfully boosted the sales of Coca-Cola and popcorn in cinemas by flashing up subliminal images during a movie. But five years later he admitted that it was a fabrication.

While subliminal advertising is an interesting topic, its effectiveness is perhaps a matter for psychologists to decide. But as far as private investors are concerned, investing on a whim is never a good idea. There is no substitute for in depth research, and the only way to that is to sit down and study the fundamentals of the business thoroughly.

And as far as pump-and-dump is concerned, it goes without saying that if something is too good to be true - it probably is.

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2008spacecowboy 04 May 2008 , 1:37pm

I have recently invested into what I now believe to be a scam. I was contacted by telephone out of the blue and told it was just a keep you up to date call from a company called Oanna spain. Then came the sting, with an opportunity to buy shares in a solar project in spain. I have since done a bit of homework and do not feel confortable with what I have learned. I am sure I am not the only person who feels as I do or had this happen. Since investing, I only ever get calls from them to try and get me to invest more, any comments would be appreciated.

oannavictim 10 Sep 2008 , 9:05pm

Hello, you can forget your investment. Fortunaland, Euroland, Soy Y Nieve, Oanna etc. are selling hot air. The projects they sell do not exisist and the land investments they offer are worthless. You shut infom the FSA and go to the Police.

oannavictim 10 Sep 2008 , 10:07pm

BPA BlueSkies Limited
72 New Bond Street,
LONDON,
W1S 1RR, U.K

Is the next of their companies they use for unreal deals! The land is worthless again!!!! Be careful!!!! Do not invest and inform the police.

oannavictim 10 Sep 2008 , 10:08pm

All investors(VIKTIMS) shut inform the FSA:

The Financial Services Authority
25 The North Colonnade
Canary Wharf
London
England
E14 5HS

Dirección General de Seguros y Fondos de Pensiones
Paseo de la Castellana, 44
28046 Madrid
Teléfono: 91 339 70 00
Fax: 91 339 71 13

* Wertpapieraufsicht / Asset-Management

Lurgiallee 12
60439 Frankfurt

Postfach 50 01 54
60391 Frankfurt

Fon: 0228 / 4108 - 0
Fax: 0228 / 4108 - 123

oannavictim 07 Nov 2008 , 3:47pm

IMPORTANT: Today Friday 7th of November 2008 the responsible persons behind OANNA, FORTUNALAND etc. T. James A. Sathasivan and Emboulas Daniele Marie Andree did disappear and left the office in Fuengirola with all investors informations.

oannavictim 07 Nov 2008 , 3:59pm

The following police stations are investigating against the people behind OANNA and FORTUNALAND:

COMISARÍA DE POLICÍA DE FUENGIROLA
Avda. Condes de San Isidro, 98
E-29640 - Fuengirola
Málaga)
Spain
Tel.: +34952197090
Fax: +34952198351

Landeskriminalamt Mecklenburg-Vorpommern
Retgendorfer Straße 9
D-19067 Rampe
Germany
Telefon: +49-3866640
Fax: +493866-649004

oannavictim 08 Nov 2008 , 6:27pm

Hello,

because this criminals are crossing borders and are active in different countries the following organisations are also active now in the case of FORTUNALAND, OANNA, MCAT, etc.

EUROJUST
Maanweg 174
2516 AB Den Haag
NIEDERLANDE
Telefon: + 31 (0) 70 412 50 00
Fax: + 31 (0) 70 412 55 55

Europol
Raamweg 47
The Hague,
The Netherlands
Fax +31 70 345 5896

More than 1000 investors did loose their money. All shut stay together and share information`s and costs.

oannavictim1000 09 Nov 2008 , 8:19am

hi
they are active in dubai,srilanka,and france (lyon)where DANIELE EMBOULAS is from and her two sons are studing,also the uk where T. JAMES. A. SATHASIVAM has his family and his partner ATUL SHARMA is based who is also involved,and i belive they own houses here in spain,recently they made a visit to srilanka,australia and dubai.
will post any info that might be helpful good luck

oannavictim 09 Nov 2008 , 5:21pm

Hello,

I have read that they open another "BOILER ROOM" in Spain and/or France. The 3 bosses took the best of their team (COMPLIANCE, MARKETING, NETWORK ADMINISTRATION, SENIOR "BROKERS")and did start again. So we will hear their names and companies very quick again. One of the bosses is a chartered accountant. Not to believe! So all victims shut also inform the Institute of chartered accountants.
ICAEW Directory
Waterlow Professional Publishing
Paulton House
8 Shepherdess Walk
London N1 7LB
Tel:0207 566 8200
Fax: 0207253 1308

oannavictim 09 Nov 2008 , 6:41pm

Hello,

all investors and victims of OANNA, EUROLAND, MCAT, FORTUNALAND etc. are invited to join the new group under:

http://oannaxfortunaland.multiply.com/

We will join all informations and will coordinate international legal actions.

pippoz77 10 Nov 2008 , 9:47am

Hi Oannavictim,

could you please advise why nothing is posted on the http://oannaxfortunaland.multiply.com/ ?

I've been there and registered but there's no "sign of life":-)

Please let me know as I am willing to share efforts to take those individuals to accountability.

regards

pippoz77 10 Nov 2008 , 11:26am

PS: is the oanna HQ in UK still open?

oannavictim 10 Nov 2008 , 12:41pm

Hello,

there is now first content on the web.

The offices are closed. They ran away.

oannavictim 10 Nov 2008 , 2:01pm

contact@oannaxfortunaland.multiply.com

wasifoolish 11 Nov 2008 , 8:10pm

I sadly am an investor,and received a phone call today from a company who told me oanna had gone into liquidation,and his company are wanting to try to recover funds for us from some european compensation fund.He is ringing back on thursday,but I have read somewhere that this may be another type of scam.This company have only been in existence since August and are based in Lancashire.Can I trust them?
I agree that we should all pool resources to deal with this.Has anyone got any bright ideas on how to get all investors communicating with each other?

wasifoolish 11 Nov 2008 , 8:54pm

Ok, sorry! now I get it! That is a website where we can all join together and communicate, but nothing shows until you actually join ?
Thanks, Oannavictim!

oannavictim 12 Nov 2008 , 12:41am

Hi wasifoolish,

please be very careful! How could they come to your contact details? I am sure this is another criminal action to steal your money either by invoicing a fee for not really existing services or commission for other unreal things.
Please inform all other investors in detail what you have been offered, who the acting people are, names, addresses telephone numbers etc. Together we get them!

beaummic 12 Nov 2008 , 2:05pm

Me too.These people say they were contacted by the fraud squad to 'help us' but (can you believe it)they could not give me the fraud squad number.Hang on to whats left of your hard earned.

arshadchaudhry 13 Nov 2008 , 4:12pm

I’ve been communicating with a group of 13 investors in Fortuna over the past few months concerned about the security of their investment.
I have heard that Fortuna, possibly trading as Ohanna have closed their Spanish operations. This is clearly a serious cause of concern and we MUST now take appropriate action. I am happy to coordinate any action we take. Joint action will be appropriate and most effective.
My suggested course of action now:
• Confirmation from each of you that you are investors in Fortuna/Ohanna
• Confirmation that you wish to be part of a joint action
• Sharing of the knowledge that each has about Fortuna/Ohanna and the individuals involved
• Agreement on approaching appropriate authorities in Spain, Cyprus and the UK
• Agreement on appointing legal advisors to proceed and to share the costs. We can join any other groups undertaking the same action.
Good luck and best wishes

arshadchaudhry 13 Nov 2008 , 4:17pm

I have met both James Savasitham & Daniele. James has connections in London and I’m also aware of his partner Atul here in London. Daniele is the French wife of Jerome Andre the Sri Lankan who ran the show until last year summer. The police, Interpol needs to be involved, this is a big scam.
We can get'em!

phil1964 13 Nov 2008 , 4:22pm

I invested a large sum of money back in 2003-2004
in one of fortuna estates projects and know of another two people who did the same. Have thought for a long time that something was wrong since being notified of the first change of name to fortunland but was unable to get any money out. I too have been contacted by European Mediation Ltd and they are asking for a 10% of investment fee upfront and a further 8% on the back end if successful. As if we haven't lost enough already!Is there really anything we can do to bring these people to justice?

snc100 14 Nov 2008 , 7:57pm

European Mediation also contacted me. They were very convincing but demanded 10% up front so I told them to get lost. I told them I wanted a no fold no fee arrangement and i'd be prepared to give 15% payment after retrieving my investment. Surprise surprise they weren't interested by that attractive offer.

I'd be happy to sign up to any group undertaking. However, i'm only interested in retrieving my investment. Sending the perpetrators of this scam to prison is irrelevant to me. I'm only interested in the money. If my considerable investment is gone and I have no hope of getting it back i'd rather know now and try to put this episode behind me as an expensive lesson learned.

Thats the crux. There is land in Spain that we own. As a group can we appoint somebody to take responsibility for selling it, even cheaply, so we can at least recoup some of our investment.....or perhaps thats pie in the sky. If anyone has suggestions or more info please enlighten me.

goldcard047 17 Nov 2008 , 6:06pm

I have invested in two of Fortuna Land's projects and also in MCAT. So Oannavictim, are you saying that MCAT is a scam as well?

bolnuevo 18 Nov 2008 , 8:53am

Hi everyone. I am investor with Fortuna Estates with interests in Brella Fortuna, Cazadores Reales and Mira Montana.

I had a call yesterday European Mediation regarding Oanna liquidation. Needless to say I was shocked not only by the statements but at how this company could have the information.

I believe Directors (which ones?) have sold database and this company is trying to gain a fee for claimed recovery service. They are phoning back and I have a test for them but believe it to be a scam also.

I agree that all investors should "pool resources" since we have title deeds to land, the value of which is questionable but needs establishing. Indeed there may be potential developments that are viable.

I also found a phone number to ring on another website which was answered by a "messenger" who promised to pass on details to the Directors who, he said, would explain how to recover some of the money invested. Part of the Eoropean Mediation scam or possibly how to sell the land? He also claimed that the Oanna offices had been broken into and also the Directors were kidnapped and had to escape the country!!!! Pinch of salt required or at least some strong coffee.

Watch this space.

snc100 18 Nov 2008 , 1:31pm

James Sathisziau: 00447971824789

xda101 18 Nov 2008 , 2:38pm

I'm also a fooled investor in Fortuna. I bought a share in Siera Fortuna around 4 years back. I too was contacted by European Mediation by someone called Jordan Adams yesterday. Bells started ringing when he gave me details of my investment. Despite asking him a few times as to how they get involved and where did he get my details, I didn't get a convincing answer. He gave me the website details and asked if he can call me on Thursday but, he called me back this morning again - although I missed his call.
*************
I also believe that we should get together and try do something collectively. Has anyone tried to contact any European solicitors or watch dog?
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goldcard047 18 Nov 2008 , 6:01pm

Be EXTREMELY WARY of any dealings you may be considering with European Mediation Limited.

I had a call from them today. I asked how long they had been in business as their website was only recently registered. "Oh yes" said the girl I was talking to (didn't get her name unfortunately)"it's a new website but we have been in business for about five and a half years".

No they havent!

Details from Companies House below:-

Name & Registered Office:
EUROPEAN MEDIATION LIMITED
JAGUAR HOUSE 6 HARTHILL STREET
MANCHESTER
M8 8AG
Company No. 06669400

Status: Active
Date of Incorporation: 11/08/2008

Country of Origin: United Kingdom

Company Type: Private Limited Company
Nature of Business (SIC(03)):
None Supplied

Accounting Reference Date: 31/08
Last Accounts Made Up To: (NO ACCOUNTS FILED)
Next Accounts Due: 11/05/2010
Last Return Made Up To:
Next Return Due: 08/09/2009

She also told me that it was 'virtually guaranteed' that my money would be refunded by something called the "European Compensation Fund", I have tried Googling this so called fund and came up with nothing apart from a European Compensation Fund for Oil Pollution. Hardly what we need I feel!

zsexdr 18 Nov 2008 , 8:37pm

Forgot to mention, Oanna told me back then that E.M.Group were a group of cowboys who register companies and rent posh offices just for the duration of the scam. Please do not part with any more money or pay up front fees to these people.
Lets all get together and physically do something between us

goldcard047 19 Nov 2008 , 10:21am

This press release was put up on the Oanna Group's website on 16th November 2008

http://oannagroup.com/pdfs/oanna-pressrelease.pdf

fortunamug 19 Nov 2008 , 3:00pm

Hi everyone ,a fellow mug here.Seems appropriate I'm posting on a website called "fool".I don't know what stings the most,being taken for a mug or losing the money.Haven't been contacted by European Mediation,but I wouldn't touch them with a bargepole.So a corner of a Spanish desert is forever England.
Just wanted to come on here to comiserate with fellow victims-I feel so ashamed of myself.

DA60 19 Nov 2008 , 5:50pm

I have also invested in Siera Fortuna and i also have been contacted by European Mediation, Mr Jordan Adams. Initially he claimed he was a lawyer and then the next phone call he changed to legal assistant. He wants 10% for legal fees and then 7/8% once they recover the money. Claims he has signed a lot of people on and was very keen to sign me. He had all the details of who i had spoken to at Siera, when payment was made and etc. Sounded convincing. If we are to get any money back we need to get someone who knows the legal system in Spain who will work for the many people who have invested there. They need to work on a no recovery no fee agreement. I am willing to give 15/20% of what is recovered. This is the only way that we have any chance of anything recovered.

fortunamug 19 Nov 2008 , 7:05pm

I'd agree with most of your post ,Da6o,but I worry that any recoverable money has been salted away very carefully-how much will anyone recover?Certainly we need to act as one,with a Spanish-based lawyer we can trust.I'd be prepared to pay the same per cent,but only on the strength of results,not as an up-front payment.

snc100 19 Nov 2008 , 7:14pm

I'd sign up for that ! I'd be happy to give 20% to anyone who can retrieve my investment.

zsexdr 19 Nov 2008 , 8:30pm

Had some news today on good authority that the net is closing in on all these cowboys. We must all be patient and shelve any fears and for god sake dont part with another penny. European Mediation Co. are con men and have nothing to offer anyone and giving them money will lead to another lengthy process with nothing to show at the end of it.
Fortuna/Oanna never intended to look after investors as they hid under the cloche of all the free money for years in an unregulated arena.They got our money too easily.they are ruthless and cruel BUT NOT FOR LONG MORE. Be patient

rlhugo 19 Nov 2008 , 10:49pm

Hi, Iam another fool who has been parted from his money. If anyone is coordinating this attempt to recover our investments ? (wrong choice of word maybe) then please add me to the list of people willing to pay to run this group of fraudsters to ground.

I first saw this 'opportunity' advertised in Peter Parfait's Hot Property Alert. Does anyone know if we would have any recourse to compensation from this publication for not exercising due care or diligence in regard to the organisations they allowed to advertise in their publication. I assumed that Fortuna Land was a good company because it was advertised in what I thought to be a respectable publication.

Rodney

fortunamug 20 Nov 2008 , 10:27am

Same here.I responded to their ad.in ,of all publications,Private Eye.I hope the fact that they ran their advert will not stop PE examining these scammers.I was also swayed by their Media Today Business Achievement award

skanwal1 20 Nov 2008 , 10:43am

hi guys, another mug who has been contacted by European Mediation, but i took one look at their website and got a bad feeling about them as it looks as an 8year has put it together.
I am also happy to give some percentage away to get my money back..

sunny

bolnuevo 20 Nov 2008 , 11:19am

zsexdr. Can you elaborate on the net tightening?

Has anyone phoned the oanna helpline and been promised a call back? I have spoken with Chritian twice.

I note the Oanna website has now removed all connections with Spain/MCAT but the offices quoted are now vacated. Christian siad they were at 1-2 Riverside London Bridge.

DA60 20 Nov 2008 , 1:48pm

Zsexdr - is it possible for you to elaborate on what you say, as it seems you know more than most of us on what is happening? As matters are still fresh it would be wise to do something quickly rather than later. If anyone knows any decent reputable lawyers in Spain, maybe they can be contacted and ask them about our plight and how best we can do something to attempt to recover any money.

devastated 20 Nov 2008 , 3:33pm

Hi,
I also invested with Fortuna first Bella them Cazadores. We should all have proof of ownership of land,and therefor valid shareholders in a sizable chunk of land Those of you who are more in the know than me, would it not be possible to join together as a sindicate If this is done correctly all maynot be lost. I would certainly be prepared to put up a percentage of my investment for a committee to head the cause. I just dont think we should lay down and die yet We still hqave the land.

bolnuevo 20 Nov 2008 , 3:42pm

devastated echoes my sentiments but I await response from Zsexdr. I have a solicitor in Spain who I could contact once we have definite proof of fraud.

However, there is also still the land and potential development although a feasible development and planning etc means time and money. Todays market in Spain is also an issue and all this possibly led us to the situation now.

I have phoned the Oanna helpline again today and the person answering says he is resigning on Friday because Oanna have misled him also regarding company restructure. All reference to spain on their website has disappeared and the press release refers you to Directors of Fortuna.

Anybody contacted the Fraud office regarding thjis and European Mediation yet?

futureretro 20 Nov 2008 , 8:48pm

Fortunaland/Oannagroup victim,
I was informed from a representative from European Mediation Ltd that Oannagroup was a scam. Went to the
group site mentioned here but nothing appears posted.
Who/What can one trust? Today magazine gave fortuna the business achievement award.Hot Property Alert said it was a key investment opportunity.
Is their a joint action group?

zsexdr 20 Nov 2008 , 9:50pm

It would appear that Oannagroup (big time gangsters) were installed in the Fortuna offices in spain to keep the show on the road and squeeze more money out of naive investors. They put up a great battle to defend honour,integrity and human decency and had us all breathe a sigh of relief for a while. I personally know the person/part time journalist who wrote up a glowing report on this investment with fortuna, initially, which was published in Hot Property Alert. This article attracted great attention and huge sums of money poured into fortuna from Ireland,U.K and Japan.It is now debatable if there was ever any planning permission sought but one thing is for sure that these perpetrators are under the rador screen and from what I'm told,they have a choice..to take care of their investors and return our money or they will not be able to put their limbs on the earth again. Remember none of these companies were regulated and us individual investors had no knowledge of how they ran this land business. for this reason I think that engaging a Spanish lawyer,or any lawyer would be futile. We must,however,stick together and claim this land in Spain,even though it may be worthless.Do not pay a dime to anyone in this regard and dont listen to any of the sob stories from the Oanna UK offices. They knew what they were getting into and were part of the scam.I am hopeful of a satisfactory
conclusion though and trust that everything will work out for all of us.

bolnuevo 21 Nov 2008 , 8:40am

zsexdr comments are of some comfort but the means appear somewhat unorthodox and I am therefore not sure how money will be returned and to what entity(ies). I would love to know what action is underway and by whom and when there is to be a likely outcome. Can zsexdr hint at this for us?

Otherwise some collective action is required.

As I understand it we all have deeds to land put=rchased by Fortunaland/FortunaEstates (albeit likely to be of much less value than paid for) so there ought to be a balance of money which has been either used for operating costs or stolen.

Not clear what money is left but it would be very gratifiying to get original investment back although I suspect this is unlikley.

zsexdr 21 Nov 2008 , 10:19am

Have been receiving lots of calls from European Mediation Ltd with pathetic answers to my many questions.
In the meantime we must work through every avenue and by this I mean making lots of phone calls.
Firstly ,UK residents who have been misled by these scammers must register a complaint immediatly with the Financial Regulatory Bodies in the UK.Oannagroup is a registered Company in the UK but is it regulated.? Oanna Spain,I have discovered was not regulated by any financial service authority or any other regulatory body. This Company was therefore not authorized to provide or offer regulated investment products to the public.
Oanna UK cannot deny their connection to Oanna Spain as they posted a notice on their website to the effect that they had moved their Spanish operation back to the UK. We have all seen this correspondance.
The Financial Authority has a duty to its citizens to investigate the activities of a Company which complaints have been made against. This service is completely free and there is no limit to the amount of calls you can make to them. The background to the other Company,E.M.Ltd must be explored more deeply and they need to be put under the scope of the British Watchdog too.
my concern is that innocent victims might just panic and pay out money to E.M.Ltd and throw good money after bad.Contacting radio shows and TV stations is another avenue to explore. I am stressing that this approach is going to be more effective in the UK as Oanna have a land base there and going indepth here is a good option.
When Oanna first introduced themselves to me I was impressed with the speel and felt that they had my best interests at heart. I went to their websites and saw the faces of the people I had spoken to and was happy enough. I notice that these faces have been removed from their websites now.
just had a call from an office in Strasburg re my enquiry on the funding for our claims. They know nothing about it and say that they are not aware of such a fund. They official said that we should also contact Embassies and he thought the idea of using the services of Financial regulators to go into the backround of these Companies was wise.
We mustn't part with any more money.

zsexdr 21 Nov 2008 , 12:49pm

I would never suggest physically harming anybody so dont worry there is no loaded gun in the cupboard.
The power of rowing together to dismantle these companies is the best option.
I want to share with you another horrible dilema that I found myself in recently.
I was unlucky enough to enlist the services of a shady service engineer to service my central heating system. He did the job or undid it as it happened. He requested cash for payment which I foolishly gave him. One hour later the whole heating system broke down leaving us without heat and hot water. I immediately called this man back to see what had happened. He informed me that he had spotted a weakness in the electrics of the system and basically I needed a whole new heating system. This would cost several thousand but he could do the job quickly for CASH. I plummetted into despair,fear and panic,knowling too well by now that he had sabotaged the system. I pleaded with him to help us but he started a bullying approach as he could feel my fear and panic. He talked about the thousands I needed to put together to have the honour of having him install a new system. Basically we perished for 4 days without heat and hot water until such time as I was able to get my head around finding a solution. I couldn't find another repair man who would explain what had happened.
On day 5 I emerged from my low point and contacted radio programs,newspapers,electrical companies etc.Within hours the TV station lines were jammed with calls. People telling similiar stories but most interestingly people recalled having encountered my MAN ,so I knew I was on to something. He was tracked down by the Radio station,named and shamed,put out of business and is now paying people back. This man was part of a network of scammers and vast monies were made between them. It wss discovered that he had plenty of assets.
I received my full refund from him through the station. The most extroardinary thing of all was that another service engineer heard my story and came to my rescue. He undid all the damage,gave the system a great overhaul and REFUSED to take a penny for it.
My heating system has never been in better shape and I didn't part with a penny to right the wrong.
I feel that this has been a trial run for me in the wake of the Oanna saga and now I feel couragous and very confident about a happy ending. Someone is looking over us all and trying to find the resolution for us. Fear and panic must be controlled. I am hoping that some UK victims are making contact with the Financial Service Authority.
I am not British and do not live in the UK
so there is a reluctance on the part of these offices to get off their seats.

mb6083nn 21 Nov 2008 , 12:54pm

Hi DA60 and Devastated etc. I am right now in Fuengirola until Saturday night and have had meetings with two sets of lawers who represented Fortunaland/Oanna and have asked them to establish who the current administrators of the various parcels of land are and if our shareholdings are still valid and safe, that is no1 on the agenda, forget about European Mediation we were warned about them awhile ago. I am only interested in Cazadores Reales but will post any new info as soon as, I think keep calm and stay together.

futureretro 21 Nov 2008 , 1:47pm

Looking at Fortunaland promo blurb.
I quote "Every investor of Fortuna is automatically provided with free representation during the notarization procedure by a highly reputable and well established firm of Spanish lawyers" Unquote.Can they be libel?

mb6083nn 21 Nov 2008 , 2:44pm

Your notarized deeds are correct and 100%, your shares were put into a Holding Company, different one,s for different parcels of land,you do own a parcel of land, my lawer is establishing the validity of the holding company, once I know that I will post it.

ph867631 21 Nov 2008 , 11:07pm

Does anyone know how European Mediation Ltd found out the names of the investors and land purchasers and their phone numbers? I am ex-directory.

mb6083nn 22 Nov 2008 , 9:56am

I believe that the mediation guy once worked for Fortunaland and copied the data base.

zsexdr 22 Nov 2008 , 11:35am

PLEASE PLEASE FORGET about European Mediation Ltd
I know for SURE that they are part of the same scam.Have been around all the offices in Brussels and Strasburg and there is NO FUND to help us in this regard.Someone knows exactly where each and every one of these gangsters are and I am confident that they will be brought to justice.

futureretro 22 Nov 2008 , 4:42pm

Has anyone had info from the Financial Services Authority.I sent an email but have not received a reply.

gnumpty 22 Nov 2008 , 4:53pm

Having thought myself to be a pretty savvy investor I too was dooped following the rave reviews in Hot Property Alert (of which I was an avid reader). An expensive and important lesson of not getting carried away with boom and success.

European Mediation are definitely scamsters and very poor ones at that. They are not registered with the Claims Regulatory Body at the Ministry of Justice so are operating illegally (even though they do have an application in process).

I am encouraged by the positive posts and we need to get over the feeling angry and sorry for yourself stage and collectively organise as suggested and work out our options. To try and get any of our investment back it seems to me there are 2 options:
1. The land is sold or a project is undertaken on the land that brings a return to investors. Are there any investors that could manage a project?
2. The criminals are caught and if they have assets they are seized and distributed.

I would imagine both options taking some time. It should be a priority to make contact with as many investors as possible to keep the costs of pursuing any action to a minimum.

Apologies if there is repetition here.

zsexdr 23 Nov 2008 , 9:10am

F.S.A.need to be contacted by phone and the more people who call the better.Dont put the phone down until you get satisfaction.
It was very difficult obtaining information from Strasburg and Brussels and you want to see how difficult it is to get past the door, with all the security and then the red tape.
We must be very careful about posting information here as we dont know who else is reading our messages.
There must be some other way (securely coded)that we can talk and pass on information. Computer experts out there should think about this.
I do know that there are thousands of investors out there who are caught up in this, am hearing about Canadians,Americans,Russians and so on. We may be sharing a blade of grass between us all. I also know that Lawyers invested in this,so did Police officers, builders,computer scientists,doctors etc We need to be able to reach all the investors.Keep going and dont be timid on the phone.

fortunamug 23 Nov 2008 , 3:01pm

I called the FSA myself and had a good reaction.The person had no idea about the scam ,but saw it for what it was and advised me to send documents to their Head Office.She also advised me to contact the Law Society and Min of Justice to check the credentials of EM- the rep from MOJ gave me the two words I needed-"boiler-room."
Overall,I think the situation is pretty dire,but not without hope.Surely if we're looking to recover,there would first need to be a criminal conviction.If we're looking for someone to develop the land,I think we'd need to wait until the world economy improves.But ,don't forget we still have that land.As a friend i confessed my stupidity to said-there could yet be uranium under it.

zsexdr 23 Nov 2008 , 4:29pm

Well done. Let as many victims as possible (in UK) contact the FSA tomorrow. It is only by the cumulative response of angry victims that authorities will have the impetus to devote resources. Just heard that on Tuesday of last week that the UK Government has announced that the SFO is reallocating more resources to combat OVERSEAS
CORRUPTION and extra manpower has been assigned.
This has to be good news for us. We must NOT GIVE UP or throw in the towel.

mb6083nn 23 Nov 2008 , 6:22pm

Fellow Fools,I have been going to visit Fortunaland about 3 times per year since 2004 to keep an eye on my investment, hasn't done me much good has it, but I got to know staff there quite well and this did not start of as a scam, they got far too ambitious and greedy, the main culprits are Daniele and James, but our title deeds are I think OK, this week I went out to Fuengirola again and met the lawers and have instructed them to confirm that we still own land, that is first step, if confirmed then we have to come together, the two Lawer Firms who have been involved over the years are first class and between them they know every invester. I went into look at the web site that someone suggested called oannaxfortunaland.multiply.com, I don't like it, it is not for us, we need our own secure web site, I can progress the information from the Lawers and I have the time as I am retired,and being Scottish I am quite prepared to spend money to get my money back provided it is based on real information. I am not really interested in the culprits anymore, but I am interested in my land. Thank you for listening.My e-mail address is m8rum@aol.com

zsexdr 23 Nov 2008 , 8:50pm

Yes I am enclined to believe you that this did not start out as a scam.....a bit like all the Banks around the world, they were all sound 10 years ago but greed got in the way and look at them now.

bolnuevo 24 Nov 2008 , 8:59am

I also believe this did not start as a scam and only in the last 12 months did the scam eveolve. yet to be proven.

I have worked in construction for 30 years and with a developer in the UK recently. However, Spain has its own processes and markets that require a degree of specialist knowledge in regard of what projects to follow and which doors to knock on. Lets face it Fortuna couldn't do it over 4 years!!

I outline my high level thoughts for comment below.


Number 1

I beleive that Oanna should be pursued with vigour. Not sure about Fortuna, whether there was involvement or just ineptitude or indeed whether they were close to gaining consent. Two routes should be followed - FSA (which appears to be initiated) and the TV/Radio route to expose the villains. Action required here I think unless already initiated.

Number 2

Separately we need to establish for the three areas of land (Bella/Sierra, Cazadores Reales and Mira Montana) that legal title belongs to iunvestors (I believe zsexdr is in th eprocess of doing this)

Number 3

We need to establish the extent and value of said land now and who the shareholders are and size of their interests.

Number 4

We need to check what, if any, schemes started by Fortuna and Oanna had any credibility and may be worth following up as a potential quick win.

Number 5

After that we have the basis to decide to start any viable "development path" for each of the tracts of land and establish what the right route is for each tract bearing in mind timescale, cost, likelihood of planning consent and current economic climate. It could be a straight sale is the best option.

Number 5

There needs to be a democratic desision on the way forward and funding arrangements set up (assuming nothing is forthcoming from pursuing Oanna etc.

This will take some degree of management time, expertise and obviously cost but from the numbers of investors that seem to be involved this may amount to a fairly low contribution. The first part is to esrtablish the investor base and agree the course of action.

At the momant we are just posts on a web site and, gartifying though this is to know one is not alone, concerted action is needed via some sort of action group and managing "team".

This is not intended to diminish any actions already undertaken and individuals should carry on.

zsexdr 24 Nov 2008 , 1:06pm

The following should be noted; SFO ofice,Elm House 19-16 Elm St. London UK TEl, no.020 7239 7272, 020 7239 7001/ 7190
Mr.KEITH McCARTHY is the new head if anti corruption in UK Apparently he has a lot of experience in this field.
You can email him at keithmcCarthy@sfo.qsi.gov.uk
The land in Spain wont be going anywhere so priority must be given to registering and filing complaints in the UK and dealing with the paper work. When the ball starts rolling here help will filter down to the Irish,Canadians,Japanese etc
Dont give up please.

firstbyte 24 Nov 2008 , 2:24pm

I have only this morning been sent the link to this site. Yes I am another investor in Fortunaland who only found out last week about this .I have written to companies house advising them of Euroland being part of the fraud I am at present talking to solicitors Irwin Mitchell in Spain. I will forward any info I get.
Does anyone know anything about a meeting of investors taking place this week at the Beatriz Hotel in Fuengirola? I would like to be a part of any group effort.

zsexdr 24 Nov 2008 , 3:33pm

Please keep us informed of any investors meetings.I have heard nothing.
The European Mediation guy has stopped calling me and hasn't answered my list of questions.

zsexdr 24 Nov 2008 , 4:26pm

what and who is oannaxfortunaland.multiply.com and why can't I find anything on their website??

zsexdr 24 Nov 2008 , 5:58pm

Yes,the net is closing in on these gangsters but we must be careful not to name names. We dont know who is reading our correspondance.
Every day I get little snippets of the progress thats been made at a higher level and it is encouraging to say the least.

terryjst 24 Nov 2008 , 8:38pm

another despondant investor also in touch with a group of others. I was contacted by EM and things didnt quite add up the seemingly only good thing to come from the conversation was too find this site. I will be contacting the various organisations suggested tomorrow.as a group we had considered using a spanish lawyer earlier this year but had been talked out of it by oanna.... however all us of doing the same thing individually isnt sense.
how can we find trustworthy way of getting all interested investors to communicate?

zsexdr 24 Nov 2008 , 9:23pm

I know that there are many experienced business people with money tied up in this saga and I know of at leat 2 Lawyers. maybe they can check out the holding Companies in Spain and see if there are calls on the title deeds there. Everyone needs to be working round the clock on this.We need to reach as many investors as possible. There may be thousands all together worldwide.

alwaysinvesting 25 Nov 2008 , 7:44am

From what I can gather Philip was one of about 50 employees. They all turned up to work one day and were simply thrown out without explanation or pay. It was Philips job as a paid employee to communicate only with all investors and offer new projects. As I said he is a thoroughly decent guy. I sure he would like to help more of us in whatever way but he is no longer employed by Oanna. I suppose he also no longer has access to client data. Last I heard he was looking for new employment. The people we need to focus on are James Attul and Daniel Ray Pyer and the other owners of the companies.

pen907 25 Nov 2008 , 10:11am

hello. an investor from Ireland. Also contacted by E.M. told the money we invested is safe and in an account that can only be accessed by lawlors in spain acting on behalf of the investors.
Add me to list of people if any action is to be taken.

DA60 25 Nov 2008 , 11:49am

I agree with Bolnuevo that we need to contact all investors and hold a meeting. HOw do we do that? We could have a secure website where everyone can register and build up a datebase. Alternatively if possible get hold of a list of investors from Oanna offices in Spain as EM have done. We can all start registering on this site but i am not sure if the host will allow it. Also it needs to be secure as we all do not want our details going to the wrong hands.

betogether 25 Nov 2008 , 12:11pm

Hello,I also invested in Bella Fortuna since 2003 and have been waiting like all of you dear investors to get out with some profit. I was offered 5% annually over my investment but I denied this offer and now I am regretting it. I totally agree with bolnuevo in his approach of dealing with the current missy situation. Investors should quikly formalize and agree on a new front end to start looking after all investment issues and regenerating investors database.

futureretro 25 Nov 2008 , 12:48pm

The guy from Mediation called back again.I sent him packing.He appears to be in possession of our database,their are issues regarding data protection.The authorities must gain possession of this so we can identify and organize.Fortuna company lawyers will have a database.

recoveryfocus 25 Nov 2008 , 1:34pm

I'm an investor in Cazadores. I agree with the proposals of bolnuevo and MB6083m. I think we should establish our title and then look at our recovery options. The lawyers who represented us in terms of the notarised title deeds, assuming they are reputable, should be able to guide us on this one. I think some investors will have to step forward and take a lead on this. It seems there are plenty of us so it should be able to get something started. Given so many of us have lost our shirt already I would be prepared to give up a percentage of the recovery value rather than invest fresh money in order to pursue a managed resolution to this issue. I guess a committee or investor representative(s) should be appointed. It might be a good idea to etablish the facts as best we can understand them - the title deed lawyers might be the best place to start - and then hold a meeting for concerned investors to vote in a committee who would represent us going forward.

johnthetraveller 25 Nov 2008 , 2:58pm

I put money into the Cazadores Reales project, and my money bought me 2,000 shares in 'Finca Cazadores, SL', who were supposed to be the Developer.

I understand that the Cazadores Reales plot was 1,100,000 m2. 250,000 m2 was marketed in early 2005, with a further 250,000 m2 marketed later in the year. Were there further sales? If not then that leaves 600,000 m2 unaccounted for.

Questions I think we should be asking are:

1)Who are the directors of Finca Cazadores, and where do they operate from?
2)Who are the lawyers for the company?
3)Where are the accounts for the company?
4)Does anyone have a controlling interest (Land One Corp, probably)?
5)The company had €15,400,000 on incorporation. How much money is there now?
6)What is required to convene (the Spanish equivalent of) an Extroadinary General Meeting of the company?

bolnuevo 25 Nov 2008 , 3:18pm

It seems there is a nucleus of people who are like minded, interested in getting together and have ideas/information to bring to the party. Indeed there may be some with skills that can support the process.

I think those willing to bring whatever information they have to pool this and map out what we have collectively gathered should convene. We could then decide a course of action.

Is everyone UK based and does anyone have access to a space where we could perhaps meet and discuss next basic steps?

Can anyone suggest a meeting place/venue?

firstbyte 25 Nov 2008 , 5:10pm

I have sent out texts and also emailed a few people ex employees to see if we can get access to the data base. I have been told that one of the individuals whom I have requested details from was seen to be waving sheets of paper claiming it was the database about in the office and saying he was going to contact all the investors individually.
I also spoke to both Atul Sharma and James today. They are certainly not reluctant to talk to anyone and quite out in the open if they are being sought by the authorities.
Does anyone know where exactly the information that Danielle and James had absconded originated?
Any feedback I get on the data base will be passed on.

alwaysinvesting 25 Nov 2008 , 5:20pm

The problems with these forums is that rumours soon become dangerous and libellous chinese whispers. The land is still owned by the shareholders and therefore we can move these projects forward if we have the right team on board. Incidentally, the reason you cannot contact any of the ex employees is that all their telephones, mobiles, email addresses have been disconnected. They were then marched out of the offices without explanation or pay. Lets rational here.

alwaysinvesting 25 Nov 2008 , 5:23pm

Why not let´s find out the REAL FACTS, and then go about appointing the old Oanna team to move the projects ahead. Surely that seems the most sensible way forward. The alleged fraud has been instigated against Fortuna Land ...NOT Oanna.

terryjst 25 Nov 2008 , 6:22pm

as i understand it we do not own any land.... the misconception that we were buying so may sq meters of spain ..? what we have are 1000 or multples of shares in one of the 3 holding companies associated with each block of land. Therefore the critcal point is who the land is actually registered to and who are the repective directors of those companies under spanish law only 5%of share holders can call for an ex ord general meeting and depose the board if necessary, which is all very well if the direcotrs will attend such a meeting ?

zsexdr 26 Nov 2008 , 12:19am

His picture used to be on the Oanna site along with fellow directors.
All these faces are now gone.
Am finding it so strange to read that he is available for some of the investors,arranging Spanish lawyers for them and being contactable on his mobile phone. I have given up trying to contact him by phone and email.I've had several people,friends and contacts call his mobile and private number,over the past several weeks,with no luck. Then I read that all these Oanna employees/directors had their mobile phones,private phones and email addresses disconnected.so says ALWAYSINVESTING above.

zsexdr 26 Nov 2008 , 12:48am

Am willing to travel to London or Dublin for a meeting regarding making arrangements to tackle this situation.
Had an expert comment on TERRYIST above and these facts would appear correct.What we have are multiples of shares in one of the 3 holding Companies.We dont know how many times over these shares were sold.So a blade of grass is shared by 100 investors, possibly.
What is happening with the FSA UK.
Many of the investors are from far away places so its not easy to get paper work done or register complaints in the UK from outside. Believe me if I was UK based I would'nt get off the phone until I got satisfaction. As it is I spend most of my day,every day making calls and collecting valuable information in this regard.I cannot afford to lose this money so will not give up until its returned.

bolnuevo 26 Nov 2008 , 11:21am

So reading all the above, lets get a meeting arranged for all ineterested parties and pool factual based knowledge and legal position with regard to land ownershipo etc.

I will try to get James to attend.

Again, please can anyone suggest date, time, venue. Ideally a venue that someone has access to and we can have initially free of charge. Guess there might be 50 odd people initially to attend and an agenda can be put together in due course.

botchclose34 26 Nov 2008 , 1:26pm

Another one stung, foolishly, I was investing for my retirement pension. I checked this company out thoroughly, even down to the award they received, it seemed a viable operation. Like everyone else, I cannot afford to lose this money. I also have the deeds so surely we must own or be entitled to something. I am living in Limerick, don't know of anyone else in this region who have invested in this company.I dont want them to get away with this,The money was hard earned.0872465395

StungInFrance 26 Nov 2008 , 2:01pm

Please add me to the list. Investments in Sierra, Cazadores and Mira Montana. Likewise been contacted by E-M, and likewise, don't trust them at all.

I live in France, so not easy to get anywhere, but please consider me 'aboard' and keep me involved. I will support any initiative, and I appreciate the efforts of all those actively trying to get to the bottom of this.

I just wish I knew who to trust, and who to believe....

zsexdr 26 Nov 2008 , 2:26pm

Should we meet and disect this in installments. let the UK group get together this weekend, write to us and then the following week people can meet in Dublin and so on.
I really need to know if Dublin is on the agenda for this weekend. We have to travel and make arrangements in advance so I need to know today.

zsexdr 26 Nov 2008 , 2:46pm

Also we need to count heads. No point in just 3 people turning up. The meeting/meetings will need to be constructive...moving this matter forward and not going back over old ground and licking our wounds. We are all in the same boat and this we can agree on,no matter which country we live in.Remember the power in numbers and collectively we can fight a great battle to get our money back as soon as possible.

SayWha 26 Nov 2008 , 4:19pm

I've been on a number of other forums and only reading through this one now. A small group of Irish investors did meet last Monday night in Portlaoise, this was set up via the multiply site. No definite action plan did emerge however we were able to see who is who. We feel the only way forward is the appointment of an international lawyer of sorts. Furthermore there needs to be access to the database of 'all' investors, as you say a head count. It may be that only a fraction of those that have invested are aware of the recent activity. Do we look to the national press for this if it's not possible to get the database.

zsexdr 26 Nov 2008 , 4:51pm

I feel myself that only a small number of investors are aware of this debacle.
I only found out myself by accident. I know that there is a lot of work going on behind the scenes,results/reports of which can't be made public on this site. We dont know who is reading our messages.
I take it that people wont be meeting in Dublin this weekend.

bolnuevo 26 Nov 2008 , 5:06pm

I think separate smaller initial meetings are the way to go.

One in London and one in Ireland to begin with.

Then share outputs/action plan proposal prior to others' meeting.

We need to know who will turn up in London and who in Dublin.

Somebody needs to act as "secretariat" and collate numbers but I am not sure how this can be done without alerting "less welcome" attendees.

Any ideas anyone.

SayWha 26 Nov 2008 , 5:13pm

I doubt if there will be another meeting in Dublin so soon again after last Monday. What we are doing is emailing each other with things. Having met each other face to face we know who we are. We are adding to that list as each member verifies a fellow investor. I suggest you get a few meetings together at various locations around the UK and do the same, asap, then we can all link up from there. I think to share the precise meeting outcomes on these forums is not an option, amongst the email groups is better.

zsexdr 26 Nov 2008 , 5:24pm

This is the way to go. We must be very careful what we write here.We dont know who is writing or reading whats been produced on this site.
Keep writing something though.

culchie1 26 Nov 2008 , 5:32pm

I agree totally.

steveadi 26 Nov 2008 , 6:24pm

The address which the European Mediation gave my wife as the one from which he was calling was 72 New Bond St. which just happens to be the same as the address for BPA Blue Skies...enough said I think, steer well clear.

bolnuevo 27 Nov 2008 , 8:43am

I did not expect tp share output on web site but via e-mail once network established.

It could be that a series of more local meetings each with a figurehead could generate different approaches which cuodld lead to a better overall solution. This would need good co-ordination but could give an easier way of managing and communicating.

Whatever action required would ned to be shared/supported by all and some "management structure/communication & decision making protocols" agreed.

European Mediation still pestering me and I asked for concrete proof of the fund existence.

Amongst some rubbish web site shots they did send this. Can anyone verify the site?

http://ec.europa.eu/civiljustice/comp_crime_victim/comp_crime_victim_ec_en.htm

ProvRobbie 27 Nov 2008 , 9:27am

Hi All....completely agree with SayWha, too much information should not be shared in an open forum. This website is a great tool for basic communication, but the detail should only be shared with verified investors. I am Irish, living in Manchester, so am open to Dublin / UK meets, please count me in.

german79 27 Nov 2008 , 10:08am

Hi bolnuevo. While this website looks quite official, I personally would share the great doubts that the people who contacted you have any way of accessing these funds.
Are the executives actually being prosecuted?
I have seen no official proof for that.
And even if, why act on a case that is (at best) pending?
One would imagine there's enough to do already.
I think steveadi's comment (yesterday) says it all!
Has anyone tried to meet up with a representative of European Mediation?

arshadchaudhry 27 Nov 2008 , 11:35am

A bit of a caveat, with due respect. There is much information on this discussion string, some of it very useful, but there are some red herrings. I believe some of the posts are from people in the pay of the enemy.
Arshad

lodgelane8 27 Nov 2008 , 1:47pm

hi everyone,another mug writing in.i agree with arshad i am getting the impression some of the above are the enemy,i really do beleive we should start with the spanish lawyer who signed the deeds.i am off to spain in 6 weeks time and i am going to make a visit to where one of the ex staff lives.hopefully ill get an address or two out of him.devon based but would be prepared to travel round to meet up with folk who have genuine ideas and plans in getting our funds back.

sicktotheteeth 27 Nov 2008 , 3:29pm

agree with your comments. I too believe that some of the contributions on this site are not genuine so we must be careful and not give too much away. Have started talking to investors via email. The information flowing there is encouraging and more private and we should all try more of this.

zsexdr 27 Nov 2008 , 3:58pm

I think E.M.Ltd are based in manchester. someone should pay them a visit.
Had a call from one of them this morning after a long break. I asked him if he had the answers to the list of questions I put to him over a week ago.
He once again said he would look into it but thought that we should move the discussion on,in the meantime.....like opening a file on my claim.
I dont think we are giving too much away on this site. I've been restrained by my lawyer .He very much agreed ,after reading many of the commentaries that many are not genuine,like the last person said.It is however very important that we stay in contact and together,even if posting on this site is the only way for now.

iwasconned 27 Nov 2008 , 4:05pm

The following is suppose to be the address of EM's registered office:

EUROPEAN MEDIATION LIMITED
JAGUAR HOUSE 6 HARTHILL STREET
MANCHESTER
M8 8AG

Can any one verify?

SayWha 27 Nov 2008 , 4:34pm

Yes this can be verified by checking out http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/b6d278eef3b9f8596d2a9d093150e3be/compdetails

Date of Incorporation: 11/08/2008
Accounting Reference Date: 31/08
Last Accounts Made Up To: (NO ACCOUNTS FILED)
Next Accounts Due: 11/05/2010
Next Return Due: 08/09/2009
Nature of Business: None Supplied

So whoever says it's been in operation for years are talking bull. Personally I don't trust them. If they are so sure of retrieving our investments then a fee at closure is acceptable. Keep the posts coming as we need to share info so investors know what's happening. In Ireland we have a good sized group emailing information now regularly, perhaps soon the Irish and UK can join forces.

gunner10 27 Nov 2008 , 4:57pm

Hello All,
Good to see so many investors getting together. I'm here in Ireland (Dublin) we had initial meeting this week. At the moment we have about 15 investors in the group and growing! May I suggest that the people in England met asap and then the Irish and England heads get together and share the information. I would say there is a number of lawyers involved which are doing duplication work for the various groups. I dont like to much info been shared on this website I think we should keep it for the lawyers and not for the enemy! All you are doing is preparing them. I've setup an email address zaqrpoldnfuidf@o2.ie for any Irish investors out there who wish to join we will add your email to the group once we verify you.

darkstranger 27 Nov 2008 , 5:35pm

I sent European Mediation's prospectus to a Spanish lawyer specialising in litigation through the Spanish Courts. He says EM are totally clueless about Spanish legal procedures, and in his own words he said "I suspect they are fraudsters" DO NOT GIVE THEM ANY MONEY.There is no such fund as The European Compensation Fund for the victims of fraud,so please do not part with any more of your money.

bolnuevo 27 Nov 2008 , 5:38pm

Spoke to James today.

Allegedly a Snr Ruiz has been arrested in Spain and that the police were trying to track down the holding company administrators and Snr Andre.

zsexdr 27 Nov 2008 , 6:37pm

Just spoke to an English contact who is prepared to travel to Manchestor early next week to check out E.M.ltd
I see PROVROBBIE above lives in Manchestor.

bebooyer 27 Nov 2008 , 7:21pm

Hello,
I've just been reading these posts and a lot of this information is very helpful. Like most people I'm just finding out what has happened and have been called a few times by EM Ltd. Was sure something was up with them because the phone line was bad quality. Today they called and despite being told they were based in Manchester an 0034 Spanish number appeared on my phone. Not what they say they are for sure (as I'm sure most people have realised.)

Based in London and very happy to meet up with fellow investors to pool information and try and draw up an action plan. Also have a Spanish speaking girlfriend who I'm sure I can convince to offer any translation services that may be required.

I'll try the FSA and various emails that have been posted up tonight. I definitely think a meeting in England is a good way to go. Verification can then take place of who is who etc... and we can then co-ordinate with any interested parties in Ireland.

So I suggest a meeting some point this w/e, or next if that is too short notice. For a venue why don't we say somewhere in central London??

Good luck to all involved.

BlackMoggy 27 Nov 2008 , 7:33pm

Hi Guys, just another bewilldered investor. When I first decided to sign up I paid an independent Spanish Lawyer to check things out and all came up smelling of roses. He even went to Zafarraya and Spanish eyeballed to Spanish eyeballed with the town council officials and it was confirmed that they had given planning consent for the original Bella Fortuna hotel.
It transpires that Snr Andre is a Sri Lanaka alledged hotellier who got on the wrong side of the bottle and that his wife took the reigns.
My understanding is that Spanish companies were set up and purchased various tracts of land and that the authorised share capital represented the number os square metres of land. We the bought a bclock of shares in the relative Land investment companies.

The shares were purchased from exisitng shareholder ie Land One Corporation a USA DElaware company or from Blacksand Ltd a Cypriot company.

Fortuna in its initial role was a sales and marketing company receiving commission preumably from the land investment companies or from profits received on the sale of the shares from the initial shareholders mentioned above.

In addition, they were then being paid to act as development agents for the land investment agents as well.

I met with the original four muskateers many times in the infancy of the company - three Canadians and the Sri Lankan.

Now I believe that the original schemes were legit and that the initial shareholders probably own more than 50% of the shares in each land development company.
As an accountant, I would advise that this makes sense as shareholders own the company and can out vote by majority any officer of the company - and they would not want that.

Financial statements are filed annually for all SL companies and for our area the co house is in malaga. It cost me 65euros per set of accounts about four years ago. I am not sure if shareholders are listed at that Co House like they are in the UK.

In addition to the above I can confirm that respectable Spanish Lawyers were employed to raise the escrituras (Spanish Deeds) for the share purchase and also that they were ratified by a Spanish Notary. One of these guys is a step up from a lawyer and is appointed by the Govt. It is not his responsibility to verify the legality of the transactions but in the case in which we are involved with I would think he has to have had an indepth understanding of the project. In the earlier days the head honchoes mentioned above used to take us to the Notary to get our escrituras signed and they seemed to be more than on nodding terms with the Notary, who is quite an influencial individual in Spain.

I am based quite near to London and can be made available to join a meeting. To ensure than only true investors turn up I suggest that to be allowed into the meeting that they must have at least one Escritura with them to prove their identity.

Another thing, give the size of Fortuna/Oanna operation I wonder if any Spanish administrator or official has been appointed to wind up the operations of each of the companies.

Oh! and also I beleive that a similair investment was made available relating to land somewhere in East Germany, but I did not participate in that.

I have additional info about what Cazadores and the Zafarraya land was supposed to end up as and also I believe that the Cazadores land is or was until recently massive olive grove so we might actually have an investment in a real income generating piece of land.

Also, if we can get the official land registry number of each piece of land we can go to the local land registry and obtain a nota simplie for a few euros and this gives full details of the whole history of who owns and has owned the land
plus I think mortgages etc.

keep me posted

Black Moggy

zsexdr 27 Nov 2008 , 8:16pm

Thank you so much Blackmoggy for all this very valuable information.Its very much appreciated.

pen907 27 Nov 2008 , 9:48pm

Spoke to Emily Clarke in E.M. on Tuesday. Told her I had been in touch with Fraud Squad who were very interested in her companys practice. Told her that there was no such fund for fraud. Asked her where she had obtained a list of all investors details and she said she was just a clerk and that the lawyers working upstairs were privvy to this info. Asked her why E.M. were working from the same address as blueskies in Bond Street. I asked her could this be that they were in fact the same company! She said they did not work from that address they had offices in jaquar house in Manchester. This company was only registered on Aug 5th. This was because that was when it became a legal requirement to register the company. If there are any more meetings in Dublin could we be added to the list. Maybe to gain access to these meetings you would need to bring a share certificate as proof of investment.

zondapassa 27 Nov 2008 , 11:19pm

I have also been approached by E.M today and yesterday. They are obviously scam artists, they wanted me to pay the 10% by credit card so I will have protection. I can't believe people will have the audacity to do that.

Is there anyone that we can report them to so to expose them FSA, watchdog, police?
I don't like the idea of them having my details.

bolnuevo 28 Nov 2008 , 8:32am

blackmoggy info goes some way to establishing the legal position and company structure which was one of the tasks required. Needs agreement on how to pursue this.

Other area I believe is to see what options remain for the land we jointly own and indeed resurrecting development plans to date is but one.

Entry to a meeting by Escritura only is a good idea.

I think there is value in doing at least an initial meeting before Xmas in London although this might be difficult for those further away.

I am London based but could not make this weekend for ameeting.

Next weekend or the one after is viable but again has anyone got location?

ProvRobbie 28 Nov 2008 , 9:28am

zsexdr, I am in Manchester, and can meet with your contact if needs be.....let me know

bebooyer 28 Nov 2008 , 11:59am

Bolnuevo
I am London based and would be keen to meet before Xmas also. I don't have a location but guess that would depend on how many people we thought would be attending.

Do you not think we could meet somewhere in public to begin with if there are only a few of us (say it was less than 10)?

gunner10 28 Nov 2008 , 12:26pm

Guys it would be great if the UK people could meet before xmas and then Irish and UK "heads" could meet up sometime in Jan. For irish investors looking to join email zaqrpoldnfuidf@o2.ie. We have around 20 in our Group now. Bebooyer there was a meeting with just 4 last week in Ireland but word has got around. Some of our Group is going to Spain for 3 weeks in Dec to root as much as they can. We have emailed a lawyer that was recommended to us in Spain and are waiting his reponse but as i said in my previous no point having several lawyers doing the same work. We the UK and Ireland Groups should look to appoint someone by end of Jan or use a lawyer that is already doing the work to look after our interests instead of everyone going off in different directons. We know how to get info but we need to go through legal process to move forward no matter what anyone says about Police been involved.

SayWha 28 Nov 2008 , 12:35pm

Exactly, please can someone just suggest an initial meeting for you UK investors, or perhaps several smaller meetings. Bring your deeds and ID, that's exactly what we did last week in Dublin, we met in a hotel lobby it's the only way of getting an email group going to share information. The email list can grow from that. So many of us are duplicating the same investigating and it's only wasting time and effort. Will any investors be in and around Malaga/Fuengirola during 19-27th Dec? I plan to be there, and will have a Spanish translator if required. Thanks to BlackMoggy for that interesting post, progress is happening!

bolnuevo 28 Nov 2008 , 12:38pm

Can people who are able to attend in london possibly next weekend or weekend after please indicate with simple "I can atend" and we can gauge numbers and propose venue.

bebooyer 28 Nov 2008 , 1:12pm

Bolnuevo,
I can attend next weekend and would be happy to help co-ordinate. If people want to mail me to confirm their attendance please mail bebooyer@yahoo.co.uk

Gunner10 thanks for your comments. (i mailed the email you posted last night) Point very much taken about the duplication.

One thing I may do is have my girlfriend call the Spanish notary on my deeds to see if they have helpfull information

nikee1 28 Nov 2008 , 1:49pm

Hello all, i have just heard the news this week and have been contacted by EM a couple of times.
I am based in the UK keen to be part of any join action and can meet at fairly short notice. I will continue to read here for further messages about a potential UK meeting. Is there am e-mail address to register my interest in a UK meeting?

linass73 28 Nov 2008 , 1:59pm

I can attend! Have similar experiences as others posted before. First invested in 2003, most recent investment in Sol y Nieve. First sign of trouble was from E.M.3 weeks ago. My gut reaction was that they were cahoots with Fortuna/Oanna. Having visited Fortuna offices in 2004, met the staff and sighted the land North of Malaga, I certainly thought they were genuine at that time.

bebooyer 28 Nov 2008 , 2:37pm

So we are looking around 5 people so far.
Tentatively saying the w/e of 6/7 somewhere in London.

If people want to email bebooyer@yahoo.co.uk I don't mind keeping tally and relaying the information here.

gunner10 28 Nov 2008 , 2:59pm

bebooyer,
You should set a date put find out where everyone is from first before setting a location. You should try and set the meeting for a place where its central for most people. If there is a good north south divide then somewhere half way.
In our case it was close to the middle of Ireland.

linass73 28 Nov 2008 , 3:28pm

London would be fine for me, but not w/e 6/7 Dec due committments. I live in S. Hampshire.

beaummic 28 Nov 2008 , 3:35pm

First off avoid E.M.-give them as much grief as you can when they contact you.
Secondly,i cant make London as i have my 2 boys at weekends.Im nearer Manchester(meltham,nr huddersfield)But want to get in on a group-if theres a meet nearer i could attend.I can e-mail a copy of my receipt for shares in Bella fortuna if need be.Im at beaummic@ntlworld.com or boggy@meltham.zzn.com
I did report E.M. to local police(did not want to know.civil matter.will pass on info internally.but i dont know to who/fraud squad or ?)
Also contacted trading standards & got a number to ring.They returned my call,could not believe police did not want to know,But said they would also check E.M.out & pass info on(will post who later but at work now & cant remember)I know arshadchaudhry(fellow poster)was already in process of getting a group together.Any news Arshad?

jbidd 28 Nov 2008 , 3:39pm

Hi saywha
I to have bought land in Sierra Fortuna and was contacted by Mrs McNally of EM we should all mail keith McCarthy fraud squad as there will be some who fall for this as they are persistent i told them they were pure con and they hung up quick way of getting rid.
i would like to join the group in Eire can anybody give me info i tried the zaqrpoldnfuidf@o2.ie. and cant get through
jbidd

jbidd 28 Nov 2008 , 3:51pm

Above message to gunner10 also
jbidd

iwasconned 28 Nov 2008 , 3:59pm

I can attend a london meeting although I will need
notice - I am a carer. In any event, I can also arrange to send a copy of my documentation also as proof of investment.

I am happy to give out my email address to a member who is part of a co-ordinated action group. Has anyone set up an email group for London or Uk as yet?

gunner10 28 Nov 2008 , 4:40pm

jbidd,
I'm guessing that you put a dot at the end try it without the dot zaqrpoldnfuidf@o2.ie

Also people seem to be worrying to much about this EM scam. Who cares they have been reported so forget about them. They haven't lost our money. Fortuna/Oanna have.

gangsterfilm 28 Nov 2008 , 4:44pm

Hi,

I am London-based and I can make it any day BEFORE 21 December or AFTER 1 January.

I invested in Sierra and Cazadores.

Please put me on your mailing list for info and updates.

Thanks.

zsexdr 28 Nov 2008 , 5:22pm

For ProvRobbie,the address of Europena Mediation ltd. is Jaguar House, 6 Harthill St. Manchestor.
Just if you are in the area you might be able to check them out further. They are supposed to have a team of in-house lawyers, all employess, So business must be good.

P4OAR 28 Nov 2008 , 5:46pm

According to Google, the companies below have the same trading address as E.M.

Mens Wearhouse
Little Earth
Sunscape Properties and Developments
Jenny & May Trading Company

This part of Manchester is full of clothing wholesalers and is not a very salubrious part of town at all.

zsexdr 28 Nov 2008 , 6:26pm

A "comedown" from Bond St. London.

BlackMoggy 28 Nov 2008 , 7:21pm

Black Moggy signing on

I can make London with a bit of notice and a wekend is no problem to me. I suggest a popular London Hotel near the underground/main line station.

I come in from Euston and get a travel card and so area is not a problem to me.

Also, I will be in Marbella 18 Dec to 21 Dec 08 getting into Malaga about 11.30am on the 18th.

Also, just to let you all know, there is existence a group of four Brits who have set up a sort of legal vigilante group in the Costa Del Sol and they issue a regular little magazine outlining the current scams they are working on and naming names in the mag. Unfortunately, my client who has a gaff in Estapona, and a Sierra investor (thanks to me and I am not exactly in his good books at the moment) but he is unable to find the mag, but they were pretty hot on the trail of a number of bis scams, one that appeared a bit like ours did to start with. I will see if I can find out how to get details as they may advertise in a local Costa english newspaper and can check when I am there. Anyone else going to Malaga, like one buddy mentioned above, could look out for them too.

sicktotheteeth 28 Nov 2008 , 8:18pm

Hello everyone,Does anyone know where all the photos of the directors of Oanna etc have gone?. they used to be on the Oanna website as I remember checking several times. I see they have all disappeared this past few weeks. Can we do some searching??
I spoke to officials at the FSA today and they are aware of whats going on,thanks to all the complaints that have been registered.Keep the pressure on please.

looker1 28 Nov 2008 , 8:26pm

New to the scene on this one and my my, what a lot of activity! I seem to have been a victim of fortuna, and after much digging and googling it would seem Jerome Andre has been involved with many scams in the past, Spantel and Adrentacar to name a couple.

I am based in southern spain and interested to meet with people and compare notes

sicktotheteeth 28 Nov 2008 , 9:13pm

just heard a few minutes ago that Jerome Andre (Sri Lankan), director of Fortunaland , spent time in jail in Spain, for crime. People were told at the time that he was in Switzerland trying to find a cure for his alcohol and women addiction.
A lot is know about all these characters in southern Spain. Apparently Andre is back in Sri Lanka.Two of my brothers are currently in Spain,reporting and researching these companies and their directors. There is no shortage of people willing to speak out and they have proof of the facts they have in their possession.

gnumpty 28 Nov 2008 , 9:25pm

As gunner10 has already said let's not waste energy on EM. They are not registered with the Claims Regulatory Body at the Ministry of Justice so are operating illegally and have been reported.

I would be available for a meeting in the UK before year end after 7th December.

zondapassa 28 Nov 2008 , 11:58pm

How do you make a complaint with the FSA, I couldn't find anything on the site to do it?

oannavictim1000 29 Nov 2008 , 10:05am
zsexdr 29 Nov 2008 , 10:07am

SFO... elm house, 19-16 elm.street london
TEL.020 7239 7272/020 7239 7001. oFFICER IN CHARGE, Mr.kEITH mCcARTHY,CONTACT HIM at keithmcCarthy@sfo.qsi.gov.uk

culchie1 29 Nov 2008 , 11:38am

Does Thomas Browne ring a bell with anyone. Any photos of him anywhere?

annbut 29 Nov 2008 , 11:43am

I am also a victim of this scam having put money into Cazadores Reales and Mira Montana. i am willing to attend a meeting and strongly support the suggestion of admission by proof of investment. If anyone is keeping a list of e-mail addresses to inform them of a meeting. Mine is: lpp@oneservice.co.uk

zsexdr 29 Nov 2008 , 1:52pm

re Thomas Browne, have passed his name on to the person who is in the position and who has the authority to investigate.Findings wont be made public on this site for obvious reasons. Anyone who has any names they want checked,feel free to name them but please no reference to offences they may or may not have committed. Thanks

zsexdr 29 Nov 2008 , 6:53pm

Tons of useful information coming in.UK Banks,Law Firms,Professional Societies etc are been sent information on our story and asked if they can throw some light on it. No one is accusing these organizations of anything but its like leaving no stone unturned. It costs nothing to pick up the phone. Nothing is been left to chance. Collecting info and joining the dots is whats its about. Remember some one out there has a bit of the puzzle and everyone has a relative/friend somewhere who knows something. The more we publicise this the more attention we will get. we wont go away until we get our money back...every cent of it.Keep going and dont be shy about calling people and organizations.I've had the phone put down on me a few times when I pressed for information on these Companies, but it hasn't stopped me from picking it up again.

robustic 30 Nov 2008 , 12:23am

hi,thanks to black moggy /zsexdr and every genuine investor in this fortuna/oanna scam.i have a large amount invested in sierra fortuna and cazadores reales (since 2004).I believe the co. hqrs.of Fortuna are in northern cyprus.That should have told us something.Perhaps they are all over there.Ihave been contacted by mrs.mcnally,an obvious scam there.I agree that we should present our case with as many of us as possible represented.As there are so many of us perhaps we could all send emails to the FSA and relevant bodies during the same week,that would stand out. My email add. is robseajan@btinternet.com and I would like to join the group,also interested in the London meetings(from 19t Dec on)

steveadi 30 Nov 2008 , 1:00am

My email is: steveoliveradi@tiscali.co.uk. My wife and I invested in 4000 Bella Fortuna shares in 2003. We are definitely interested in being part of an action group. As we live in Moray, NE Scotland, it will make attending meetings any further S than Glasgow/Edinburgh somewhat of an expedition so it is likely we will link via email. Will scan and send proof of investment to designated Leader/Secretary of new group. Have reported this to Serious Fraud Office. Thanks to all who are digging hard to find the gold!

gangsterfilm 30 Nov 2008 , 3:20am

Hi all,

Please note the City of London Police is in charge of investigating boiler-room scams anywhere in the UK, not only in the Square Mile (aka Operation Archway).

You don't have to live in the UK as far as I know, as long as the scam is UK-related.

You need to fill in a form that can be downloaded from this link!

http://www.cityoflondon.police.uk/CityPolice/ECD/Fraud/boilerroom.htm

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Hi zsexdr,

i checked the ec.europa.eu link that EM sent you. It appears to be genuine, so it looks like there is such a fund. However, that doesnt mean that EM are genuine... So, if need be, I'd use a reliable, professional mediation firm...

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Hi problemsolved,

Ta for providing those links. By the way, why dont we all go together to claim our money back...? This could be prepared at one of our meetings when we'd have contacted most other investors.

****

Also, I'd like to share with you all that I've been fooled twice in just a few months. So when I thought I was busy dealing with it, Oanna came along to top it all up...! With this I mean that I'm quite "immunised" against gangsters now... However, dont get me wrong, though - fraud shouldnt go unpunished, whether you get your money back or not, just for your own dignity and self-respect. This type of crimes exist because we all allow them to happen.

The "good" thing about Oanna's scam is that I'm not alone in this. (By the way, if anybody knows about somebody else that may have been scammed by Woodbridge Asset Management or Woodbridge Investments Group (www.woodbridgeinvestmentsgroup.com) or a relevant victim group, I would like to know. I'm on my own in this and now I have Oanna & Co. to keep me amused... )

Ta all for reading this.

My email: enriqueag@gmail.com

Lastly, I'd also want to add that last week I spoke to Christian from Oanna Spain after being contacted by EM to find out what was going on. He told me that their offices in Spain had been attacked and that the matter had been reported to the Spanish local police. He also said that all their systems were down, hence my inability to communicate with them, and that they hadnt gone into liquidation and would expect to have their systems up and running in 2 weeks' time...

Beboyer et al, please note I can attend meetings, ideally in London, as mentioned in my previous post.

Toodledoo!

lodgelane8 30 Nov 2008 , 12:14pm

hi everyone
carry on investigating,we will catch them.based in devon and i am prepared to travel for any meetings.my e-mail is dave_tinagratz@hotmail.co.uk tomorrow first thing,i will be logging my complaint to the fsa.if any one wants to meet me i will be in torremolinos from 10/01/09 to 16/01/09.good luck everyone.

bebooyer 30 Nov 2008 , 12:58pm

Hello everyone,

Just a quick note to say I have received several emails (thanks) and I have been noting emails posted here. I will send an email tonight to all mail addresses. If you do not receive a mail from me this evening and would like to be involved can you please mail me at

bebooyer@yahoo.co.uk

For my purposes can you please include your fool ID on the email.

I will make some suggestion regarding time and place in the mail tonight and we can take it from there. Please do not worry if you cannot make the initial meeting I'm sure we will have further meetings and arrange other ways to verify IDs after the initial meeting.

Hope this makes sense and please mail me if you have any other suggestions.

Good luck to all

zsexdr 30 Nov 2008 , 2:28pm

Rumours flying everyone, from Oanna reopening the Spanish operation and managing it from the UK , to Oanna being under seige from European mediation Ltd to private sittings with investors in Spain and so on and so and so on.
While they are sorting themselves out we need to find the "Black Box". We need the whole world reading our story. Interestingly a week or two ago a woman contacted me from the UK to say that her sister -in -law used to be a PA to MR. X. The snippet seemed so unimportant at the time but it has opened up another aisle for us in this saga.
every piece of information is precious.
Whistleblowers from the ranks of middle management in the said Companies,who although working at the time of the alleged incident,who may have been summarily or unfairly dismissed in the interim period,will have both the knowledge required and the motive to furnish us with the information which will enable us to posit specific and relevant questions in a future "freedom of information request application"
Apparently, vague freedom of information requests produce unsatisfactory results. The assistance of Whistleblowers from the Companies involved would therefore appear to be essential.
A high level of discretion and confidentiality is mandatory when dealing with the above potential whistleblowers.
Robustic has a good point...about piling in the complaints at the same time. Say we all phone the FSA next Tuesday afternoon.
Yes Gangsterfilm,you are correct we dont have to be UK based to file complaints to the FSA .I was slow learning this one.
Encourage as many people as possible to come on to this site and read the information here.
Its a small world and there are not many quiet places to hide in anymore.

hit3times 30 Nov 2008 , 3:03pm

Been reading this with interest. As you'll guess, we're into Bella, Sierra and Cazadores. I'm an English Chartered Accontant, and Spanish speaker. Based IN NL, but work most weeks in UK, can make a meeting then. May also be in Fuengirola late Dec, as my mother lives there.
How do we set up the meeting?

meruman 30 Nov 2008 , 4:17pm

Hi. I've just joined and am an investor in Bella since 2003 and Cadzores since 2005. I'm keen to meet up after 7th Dec, live in Wales but can travel if needed. Include me on any mailing lists please.

iwasconned 30 Nov 2008 , 5:05pm

While doing my research into Fortuna/Oanna I came uncovered what appear to be a connection with two other companies I also have dealings with - i.e, same contact details and address.

Has any one had any dealings with VENTURIS EUROPE INVESTMENTS S.L/Venturist International and
Realesinternational?

http://www.venturisgroup.com/
http://www.realestinternational.com

unFORTUNAtely 30 Nov 2008 , 5:26pm

Hi
Invested in Cazadores in 2005,and MiraMontana in 2007.Would like to be involved in an action group
Can attend a meeting anywhere anytime asap

sadbunny 30 Nov 2008 , 5:42pm

Hi

Another Bella sucker. Found out following contact from EM and found you seeking info on the latter.

I am based in the S.E. U.K., busy for the next 6/7 days but available readily afterwards for meetings etc.

Would like to join in and attend meetings, etc. Please add me to the relevant group.

lodgelane8 30 Nov 2008 , 5:51pm

hi everyone
now we know atul has completely got nothing to do with any of the shady dealings,(according to the henchman),maybe he should come out and do the most honest thing in his life ever and help the police and fraud squad in everything he knows about all these horrible human beings who are involved in this.

BlackMoggy 30 Nov 2008 , 7:38pm

Hi Black Moggy here

My e-mail address is puma@totalise.co.uk.

Has anyone read the press release 17 November 08 on the oanna-spain.com web site?

It alleges that Oanna has reloacted its offices from Spain to the UK and advises readers that they have broken away from Fortuna and advises them to contact Fortuna's lawyers in Spain?

The relaease also goes on to state that Oanna is still trading and is offering even more investment opportunities - they wish!!

Loooking at all the postings, it seems that even more investors are creeping out of the woodwork, but we are not getting any closer to a coordinated group to sort things out!!

terryjst 30 Nov 2008 , 8:21pm

hi cant agree more with black moggy , we seem tohave followed similar routes with independant lawyers etc from the start... anyway surley there is someone techy enough out there to set up secure site is it too off the wall to suggest even that the fsa or fraud squad could host such a site to make everyone feel comfortable. the fact that all the original managment , jerome, james , seem to be represented by someone as being totally blameless leaves me a little anxious ? we have made compalints to both during the last week.
all the immense efforts need to be co ordinated somehow

zsexdr 30 Nov 2008 , 9:23pm

Yes I agree with BlackMoggy too. we need a secure site to communicate all the information.Everything we know cannot be revealed on this site.
I know for sure that the enquiries have moved to a higher level and sensitive information is slowely filtering out. Accessing information from inside these organisations takes time and whistleblowers etc have to be protected.Anyone with information on these companies and management can register with the Fraud squad. They have nothing to fear and all information is confidential.
I advised the FSA and fraud squad that there are several hundred people out there caught up with this scam but are people registering their complaints with these organisations? Be sure to do this as soon as possible.

robustic 30 Nov 2008 , 9:50pm

hi again,I THINK ITS IMPORTANT to find out where we stand with the authorities such as FSA as early as possible.Perhaps you know a better way,if so lets do it.In the meantime l would like as many of us to phone the FSA or any similar body in your area on tuesday 02/12.This is going to snowball and if we stick together we will beat these criminals.There appears to be a lot of intellegent people here who like myself are seething at the thought of being taken for a ride.So lets start now,be positive,be relentless, lets get together and get our money back.

zsexdr 30 Nov 2008 , 10:08pm

100% agree with you. I have already registered my complaint but will ring again on Tuesday 2nd to see whats happening. Putting the pressure on and jamming those telephone lines,all day will get some attention.
We should try the UK radio stations too. Which ones are best.? Am not UK based but will happily ring a radio station from overseas.
We are growing in numbers every day so lets all team up this coming week.OK

arshadchaudhry 30 Nov 2008 , 10:14pm

Please steer clear of red herrings, there's plenty of these on this site. We are appointing Spanish lawyers to get on with it. why show your hand or disperse your energies, unless of course the purpose is to get rid of frustrations!
if you wish to join our group please email me on arshad@taxcentres.co.uk.

bebooyer 30 Nov 2008 , 10:51pm

I have mailed the following fools
If you are interested in meeting please mail bebooyer@yahoo.co.uk. If you have mailed me and not received the mail tonight can you please mail me again and I will add you to the list.

IDs I have mailed

bebooyer 30 Nov 2008 , 10:53pm

P4OAR
BEAUMMIC
BOLNUEVO
ANNBUT
ROBUSTIC
STEVEADI
GANGSTERFILM
LODGELANE8
IWASCONNED
UNFORTUNATELY (good name)
BLACK MOGGY

Hope people can meet and if not do not worry we'll think about other ways of confirming ID

AFle9876 30 Nov 2008 , 11:19pm

HI ALL , LOOKS LIKE WHAT THEY SAID ABOUT HELL IS TRUE-WE WON'T BE ALONE THERE.
I INVESTED A SIZEABLE AMOUNT IN A PROPOSED SOLAR ENERGY SITE AT A LOCATION CALLED HERNAN VALLE, NORTH OF GRANADA+ASKED TO BE BROUGHT TO THE SITE BEFORE INVESTING. THIS WAS DONE BY AN ENGINEER CALLED MARTON CURRIE ON THE INSTRUCTIONS OF THE SALES AGENT THOMAS BROWNE.-A CANADIAN GUY , BUT A GUY , I NOW KNOW IS A CON MAN THROUGH+ THROUGH.MY FUNDS WERE TRANSFERRED TO A BANK ACCOUNT IN CYPRUS,HELLENIC BANK GLADSTONES BRANCH- THE MONEY WAS TRANSFERRED .I WAS INFORMED THAT PLANNING ON THE SITE WAS EMMINENT AND A SHARE CERT WOULD FOLLOW. HOWEVER, NEITHER HAPPENED AND I GOT VERY SUSPICIOUS SO I WENT TO FUENGIRIOLA, EMPLOYED A TOP CLASS LAWYER IN MARBELLA , WHO THREATENED TO SUE OANNA IF THEY WOULD NOT RETURN MY MONEY. THE RETURN WAS AGREED BY OANNA TO COME IN JAN/FEB/MARCH '09 BUT ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO , THE LAWYER REPRESENTING OANNA RANG MY LAWYER AND SAID SHE WAS FINISHED WITH OANNA-WAS NO LONGER REPRESENTIING THEM AND COULD NOT COMMENT FURTHER. THEN NOW -LAST WEEK OF NOVEMBER , I GET THE BOMB SHELL THAT OANNA HAS CLOSED ITS FUENG. OFFICE ; SO FOR ME THIS SPELLS DISASTER AND AM VERY WORRIED THAT MY MONEY HAS GONE INTO A VERY DARK HOLE.I AM AMAZED THAT THEY SEEM TO HAVE TARGETED INVESTORS INTERNATIONALLY , OVER MANY YEARS, AND APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN EXTRACTING LARGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY WITHOUT RETURNING ANY VALUE.THIS SHOULD BE THEIR LAST HURRAH AND ALL INTERNATIONAL POLICE FORCES NEED TO BE NOTIFIED , WITH THESE GUYS LOCKED AWAY FOR A VERY LONG TIME. THE STRESS INFLICTED ON UN-WITTING INVESTORS IS ENDLESS AND EVEN IF INVESTORS, EVENTUALLY, GET SOME OF THEIR MONEY BACK , IT WILL TAKE YEARS OFF ALL OUR LIVES
AND, NO DOUBT, COST LOTS MORE MONEY TO SOLVE.
I'M A PROFESSIONAL IRISH LADY BUT ANYONE WHO WANTS TO CONTACT ME CAN DO SO ON 353-87-2966566. ULTIMATELY, WE MAY TAKE THIS TO THE NEXT STAGE.
FIRST STEP APPEARS TO BE TO VISIT THEIR OFFICES IN LONDON- 3 LONDON WALL BUILDINGS ANS SEE IF THEY ACTUALLY EXIST+ SEE WHAT SOLUTIONS THEY PROPOSE.
SOLVING THIS WILL APPEAR TO BE A EUROPEAN EFFORT.

itsallover 30 Nov 2008 , 11:41pm

They say if something sounds too good to be true then it is.Many people warned against this but i did:nt listen.I hope for everyones sake it has agood outcome.Look forward to the investors meeting,whenever that may be?

devastated 01 Dec 2008 , 1:13am

Hi All
I invested in Bella and Cazadores, and visited both plots orf land, and yes,there are lots of olive trees there as well as a brand new road system. Can you put me on your mailing list beebooyer my email address is berniceslater@yahoo.co.uk. I would also like to attend meeting but have heavy work commitments I can scan and send copy deeds to land. Have read through all the posts and there is lots of good information,but if there are red herrings in the camp, wont they be forarmed too? I live in the Kidderminster area, and it would be difficult for me to travel too far a the momment, but I want to keep in touch with people who are in the same position as me, so if you know anybody in my area please ask them to get in touch with me. I think we need to be focused and plan as a group what will be the next step based on the legal information we are obtaining, Am not going to Spain until March 09 due to work commitment, and it looks like I'll be doing this for a long time now as the money I invested was supposed to be my pension.

AFle9876 01 Dec 2008 , 10:53am

Hi all again.Speaking to my lawyer in Spain this morning-1/12/2008 , he informs me that several people have been arrested in Fuengirola. The latest estimate of money under investigation is e60,000,000.
Seperately , Detective David Bolton , in Teddington branch of Scotland yard London is investigating - contact number 0044-20-89439299.
A meeting of investors needs to be called as a matter of urgency- call 353-87-2966566 to discuss,co-ordinate and progress.

zsexdr 01 Dec 2008 , 11:50am

Thanks for this information . Please dont stop making those phone calls to the police and to FSA
Every little helps.They need our help.All information submitted is confidental. Your name and identity are protected

This is an amazing site and the progress achieved
to date is thanks to all of us.
There is no one particular way to tackle this. Consult 4 lawyers and you get 4 different versions
of how we should proceed.
We do need the lawyers too but we must do the foot work.
Please keep writing and KEEP PHONING.

tolman123 01 Dec 2008 , 12:36pm

Hi all
yet another victim who invested in cazadores reales 2004. would like to be added to any list involved in any further action to recoup my investment. My email is johntolley@hotmail.co.uk based in South Yorkshire. I will along with everyone else ring the FSA on Tuesday. This first came to my attention when EM got in touch asking to represent me. thank goodness for this forum.

tolman123 01 Dec 2008 , 12:41pm

Can anyone tell me if we are ringing the same FSA tel No if so which one

SayWha 01 Dec 2008 , 1:30pm

http://www.fsa.gov.uk/Pages/Doing/Regulated/Law/Alerts/form....

I would presume the main consumer helpline (between 8am and 6pm Monday to Friday). The main number is 0845 606 1234 from within the UK or from overseas it's 0044207066 1000. I would suggest also completing the form above and forwarding this. If we can all at the very least complete this form and get it sent through in the next 24-48 hrs and ideally ring also.

The idea of contacting some radio stations I think is a definite, we need to raise awareness with as many of the investors out there as possible who still don't even know all this is happening. I also believe contacting a few newspapers who may be keen to do a piece on this and again that will get through to a lot more investors. Anyone have any contacts in any of the Sunday papers (Irish and UK both). Let's get the message out there.

Although based in Ireland I would be keen to attend a UK based meeting if I can so please add me to the list.

botchclose34 01 Dec 2008 , 3:15pm

Hi All, did anyone have any dealings with a Jason Moss, or a Mary Jo, who lives in Spain could either of them contact me. If they have nothing to hide you would think they would just to clear their names.they were very good at contacting me to invest,Jason Moss was or is a Senior Sales Consultant.I taught Mary Jo as a very nice person hope I'am right in that thinking.Jason Moss is English. I said to him at the time I hope you are not a rolling stone. [Cazadores Reales]e-mail ec.eamonn.close@gmail.com

annbut 01 Dec 2008 , 4:22pm

Two things.
First, did anyone have the Serious Fraud Office contact them earlier this year (about March) asking if you had any investments in Spain and if so would you be willing to attend the SFO for an interview to help the Spanish Fraud Office in their investigations into land investment.

Secondly, when i contact the FSA on Tuesday, which firm am i reporting, European Mediation or Fortuna/Oanna or all.

i do now feel less alome in all this.

estudiantes 01 Dec 2008 , 4:58pm

Jo Hin from European Mediation called again, same rubbish. Below are the bank details he wanted me to send the 10% legal fees to.

following your telephone conversation with JO, I am happy to furnish you with bank details as below:
Bank. HSBC
A/C No. 61736183
Sort Code: 40 39 01
IBAN:GB53MIDL40390161736183
Swift: Midlgb2151T
Would you kindly let me have either by email or telephone the transaction confirmation so that I can track your transfer.
We look forward to a succesful claim on your behalf.

Kind regards
Marilyn Jack
Office Manager
European mediation Limited


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snc100 01 Dec 2008 , 6:56pm

Regarding bothclose34's post. I spoke to Jason in February 2004. He told me planning permission had been secured for Bella Fortuna and that building would be commencing within 6 months. On that basis I invested. I'm a pretty easy going guy but I just hope to meet him some day so that I can vent the anger I feel.

lodgelane8 01 Dec 2008 , 7:05pm

hi all
in touch with fsa today,they have asked me for every bit of paper work i have regarding this scam,names/bank details etc,etc.will be sending all tomorrow.tell us all atul,what police station did you go to?.we only want to know so we can put this jigsaw together.i am sure you understand our concerns and have nothing to hide atul,hope to hear from you and not this bully who i really dont know why,keeps coming on this site threatening and speaking on your behalf.

steveadi 01 Dec 2008 , 9:19pm

Hello to All,

I am recalling a telephone conversation I had last summer with a woman at Oanna (Spain). I rang them but cannot remember her name. On asking why the Fortuna hotel development was taking so long she replied that Blau the architects had fouled up the plans by drawing the development in the wrong place. This had resulted in a loss of around €500,000 as the plans had to be done again and resubmitted but all was now going ahead.
Question 1. Were the hotel plans on Bella changed and resubmitted?? Has anyone heard of this??

I have two further thoughts. Firstly, I am convinced that the site I thought was Bella Fortuna as directed by Philip Tremaine on our visit in 2004, is not the site near Zafarraya which now would appear to be the Fortuna/Sierra site. A post on oannaxfortunaland (NOTE) would appear to concur with this and could explain a change of location plan. The reference on our contract for the Bella Fortuna land is Tomo (volume) 461, libro (book) 27, folio (Page) 9 finca (property) 4202 at the Spanish Land Registry of Loja, Municipal of Zafarraya.

Do other Bella investors have the same reference and does anyone know exactly where it is on the Spanish equivalent of an Ordnance Survey map?
Secondly, the amount quoted by Oanna as having been wasted on nugatory work by Blau, is in the same ball park as the €450,000 rumoured to have been raised by a loan on our land; this figure according to what European Mediation told me. Is their story of the ‘loss’ of circa €500,000 to Blau, Oanna's cover story for the €450,000 loan ? Any thoughts anyone???

german79 01 Dec 2008 , 9:42pm

Hi botchclose34,

I was only talking to Mary Jo a week or so before this card house came down.

We contacted her regarding repeated scam post about an alleged lottery win in Spain - Fortuna / Oanna are our only connection to this country, and also remembered the letter about the break-in into their offices one X-mas, so we thought that's where our details were lost (that´s data - protection for you)
When I mentioned this to Mary Jo, she clearly recalled the break in, but also insisted that not much was taken.
This is especially "funny", as the break in we were told about happened long before Oanna and they also stated at the time that data was the only thing lost and could we please fill out the attached questionaire, that included tons of market research question a la "How much do you spend on entertainment per year? Naturally we did not bother.
How many times were they "broken into?!?"

Also Mary Jo was completely confident that all projects would be coming to a good end now that Oanna was in charge! HA HA!!!

No guys, let's face that this was indeed a con from quite early on and all staff were either in on it or complete fools to believe their directors blindly (bit like us..)

And they were very good at it, as even I, who was against this investment from the start, felt assured after talking to her.

Then a few days later came the call from EM Ltd...

sicktotheteeth 01 Dec 2008 , 10:59pm

Hello all,
Tomorrow is a big day for all of us as we file all our details with the police and FSA.
I think we need to mention all... Fortunaland,Oanna and European Mediation ltd.
Am happy with the way things are progressing.According to my brothers in South of Spain,who are waiting in the sidelines to break the story,there is a lot of activity,with private investigators,police,Fraud office etc.around this case. Reporters have been asked to stay back for the moment,so not to disturb the scent.There is a contingent from the UK there too.
Everyone now knows that a big part of this scam was hatched in the UK
I remember talking to Jason Moss and Mary Joe at some point. They used to use phrases like " oh at last we appear to be going places,theres a red hot offer in from outer space and the management are just jumping with joy in the office"
Somehow I never did believe them but they were just employees,and I suppose young and in experienced

annbut 02 Dec 2008 , 11:55am

I have just 'phoned the FSA to log my information. They have had a few calls about this item today. i told them about Fortuna/Oanna/European Mediation being in this together. i wqas referred to a web site giving information about landbank scams. will look up later.

AFle9876 02 Dec 2008 , 12:21pm

Hi all again,
Today- 2/12/2008 contacted receptionist at
building at 3 more london riverside, london,se1 2re . She was helpful+knowledgeable.
Put simply, OANNA rented an office at tha office block for 3 months , mis-behaved(I gather) , the lease was terminated and they have now gone from that address !!!!
What a disaster !!!
One question to other contributors?
Did you get a share certificate for your investment in Sol Y Nieve. If so, was this issued from a firm of lawyers in Spain + have you an address/ contact name or phone number for that legal firm ?
This scam must not be allowed to be repeated?
How can the un-suspecting public - across Europe-be protected
and avoid losing their hard earned money?
353-87-2966566

terryjst 02 Dec 2008 , 12:49pm

hi all have just spoken to detective david bolton met police as previous post suggested please note he is not investigating getting lots phone calls though his advice...
to conact your own local police wherever that may be report your losses etc all information to be passed to interpol. the only jurisdiction to investigate oanna/ fortuna is Malaga.
thanks he asked that this site be updated keep going though.

terryjst 02 Dec 2008 , 1:51pm

http://oannagroup.com/pdfs/Zafarraya.pdf
please all look at this site just up are my eyes deciving me or is the oaana address contacts etc exactly as before is some one really taking the ....

robustic 02 Dec 2008 , 5:57pm

hi,phoned FSA today they have taken details and are ringing back in 2 days.maybe they are busy on this one.Well done.Read some stuff about phil tremaine and ray pyper,I think they are long gone.Tremaine is working in the Orient and Pyper has just come back from honeymoon in the Dominican Islands,he could be at his address in Paris.We must all have info to fit the jigsaw so lets pass it on to the Police.Thanks to terryist for the police info also to AFKe9876.I will file my stuff with my local police but still think a meet is paramount.For Tolman123,I rang the FSA today on 0207 066 1000.For Bebooyer thanks but i didnt get your email,i will try to email you later.With all the latest info i am beginning to feel better about this,keep it coming.

oannavictim1000 02 Dec 2008 , 10:08pm

the ones the police sould be after are T. JAMES. A. SATHASIVAM and Daniele Marie Andree Emboulas these are the ones who ran away with the invesor's money and they are the ones behind oanna spain , fortuna land , fortuna estates .

lodgelane8 03 Dec 2008 , 12:48am

hey meanmachine when is atul going to tell us what police station he went too,and why cant he speak for himself.

lodgelane8 03 Dec 2008 , 2:19am

hi oannavictim1000 you seem to know who ran away with the money so lets go to where they live and get it back,what are we waiting for,or is it more speculating.robustic were is he working in the orient and where about in paris does ray live?.come on you all seem to know where these people are,but nothing is happening.atul i really want to know when you went to the police.

lodgelane8 03 Dec 2008 , 2:21am

meanmachine come and talk

zsexdr 03 Dec 2008 , 9:29am

Hi oannavictim 1000. The police have all this information. They know exactly who is behind what.
The investigations are on going and everyone involved will be interviewed.As you say Oanna...Fortunaland.....Fortuna estates + the other companies listed earlier,appear to be all the one.
we need to keep plodding and transmitting information to police. Keep going and keep writing

bebooyer 03 Dec 2008 , 10:39am

Hello,
Just a quick note to say I sent an additional mail last night to include further mail addresses and remind people on the original mail to confirm which date they prefer for meeting.

So far we are looking like around 4 or 5 people can meet this w/e to get things on a face to face basis and discuss actions available. With a further 10-15 replying and interested but unable to make this w/e.

Again, anyone interested in meeting please mail bebooyer@yahoo.co.uk

bebooyer 03 Dec 2008 , 11:58am

Robustic,
I will check mail address and make sure I got yours right. I sent a further mail last night - can you check and see if you have that one?
Cheers

zsexdr 03 Dec 2008 , 12:02pm

Has anyone seen Earthwatts press release on Sept/28th/2008, in which they announced a tie up with BPA Blueskies ltd. London.

SayWha 03 Dec 2008 , 3:12pm

Hi AFle9876, yes I too have Sol y Niev shares, after much waiting I eventually received my share cert but I know of others who haven't. It was issued by Trident Trust Company (Cyprus) Ltd. Address (as of June 2008) is PO Box 58184, 29 Theklas Lyssioti St, Cassandra Centre, 2nd Floor, 3731 Limassol, Cyprus. Tel +357 25820650. Email is cyprus@tridenttrust.com. Also www.tridenttrust.com/
The signature on my letter was by a Marzena Cwierz (Corporate Administrator). I hope this helps you and others.

botchclose34 03 Dec 2008 , 4:16pm

Iam amazed that I did not get a e-mail from...JASON MOSS. OR MARY JO. or JIM WOODS. have they something to hide?[just to clear their names],Iam sure that their watching this site so come on! cant hide forever,the world is gone too small.ec.eamonn.close@gmail.com

jbtd 03 Dec 2008 , 4:18pm

Hi, another unsuspecting investor here...... went to the Oanna offices yesterday to have a regular meet with them, which have been doing since investment in 2005, only to find their offices shut up, peered through the windows and there are still coffee cups, drinks and all paperwork over the desks, its appears that the staff left without much warning....the hotel next door advised me that they disappeared overnight and pointed me in the direction of the Guardia Civil in Feugirola. I have been there today and on their recommendation lodged a denouncia with the police against Fortuna Land and Fortuna Estates with Oanna and all the other companies involved also being listed. They also confirmed that the Fraud department in Madrid is dealing with the case and have asked for as much paperwork as I have including company positions and contact numbers. Would be very interested in attending any meetings that are planned to take place - please can you email me details to jcuraton@gmail.com......Also, is there any more information from any lawyers whether the title deeds are indeed genuine and does anyone know if the land actaully ever existed....the police intimated that maybe there was no land and in fact our title deeds is only for shares in the other companies.....look forward to comments.
Thanks

gunner10 03 Dec 2008 , 4:38pm

Irish investors there is a meeting on the 10th of Jan between Cork and Dublin. We have about 25 investors coming at the moment. email zaqrpoldnfuidf@o2.ie for info

bebooyer 03 Dec 2008 , 5:50pm

JBTD,

I'll mail you tonight about a proposed meeting for this weekend. Regarding the validity of the deeds, I have my doubts, having spoken with the Spanish Consulate today. They seemed to indicate I'd bought a share in a development rather than physical land. However, my girlfriend spoke with the Public Notary in Spain who signed the documents who apparently confirmed everything was legitimate. So slightly conflicting views there it seems.

I have an appointment with the Spanish Consulate for the 16th Jan and will update as and when I hear anything from them.

zsexdr 03 Dec 2008 , 6:30pm

Yes Botgclose 34, you rightly ask about these characters above. They are never far from MY MIND as I recall the many many phone calls from them, telling me about how well my investment was growing etc.Someone above concluded that they may be just innocent and inexperienced. Well I have news for you....they knew perfectly well what was going on.Now, thanks to good investigative work they have been located, or tracked down. As you say its a very small world and its not easy to hide anymore.Jason, in particular lied to me for well over a year and put me through hell with stress and worry.My blood pressure would rise after our phone conversations,..something kept telling me that all wasn't as it should be and I could hear his soothing voice saying...".its just a matter of one more signature" and the next phone call will confirm this in 4 weeks time" and on and on it went.

BlackMoggy 03 Dec 2008 , 7:13pm

Black Moggy here again.

James(Jimmy) Woods left the pack for Asia many moons ago and was later followed by Phil Tremaine.

Ray Pyper was still there until the end and although an original one of the three Canadians, he did not appear as senior and was the project manager.

To confirm, as I am an acountant, I quickly got to understand that I was buying shares in Spanish SL companies.

My understanding is that each company issued an amount of shares which matched the square meterage of the plot of land.

Bella and Sierra shares were sold to a Delaware outfit caslled Land One Corporation and we bought the shares in those two SL companies from the forma which would have pocketed the capital gain.

Fortuna acted as broker and would have picked up a commssion.

In the case of Cazadores a similiar transaction took place but the shares being purchased from a cypriot company called Blacksand Ltd based in Limsassol Cyprus.

I feel that we need to find out for ourselves the following:

1 By obtaining a set of the last filed financial statements for each of the companies from the Malaga Companies House.

This will tell us if the companies owned land and if so whether it was mortgaged or not.

2 Obtain a Nota Simplie from the land registries as these are quite cheap and show the whole history of ownership, indebtedness etc.

Knowing how the Spanish Banks work, by now if the land does exist and was mortgaged they would have reposessed it by now - they take no prisoners.

My original due diligence showed the original schemes were legit and in the case of Bella there was a genuine change of land use from agricultural to commercial development land.

It would appear that a heavy brigade got involved and blew it all apart.

As an accountant I have seen this happen before.

I look forward to meting up with you all at bebooyers meeting.

Black Moggy

ps to those of you who may have e-mailed me please note that I have a very busy work schedules and would appreciate you not getting upset if I do not respond individually.

snc100 03 Dec 2008 , 9:41pm

From reading the previous post, can it be assumed that our money is gone ?

zsexdr 04 Dec 2008 , 12:30am

another twist in the crooked rope. Has anyone heard of Business Mind Holdings ltd. apparently they were contracted by Oanna Spain,(who were really Fortunaland) to take over the running of the Company and complete the projects.
They are based in Gibraltar and are/were the sole beneficial owners of three companies holding notarised contracts for the land and buildings near Berlin,Germany, which are currently been marketed by Oanna UK . More Solar panels,homes for the elderly, shopping centres etc...same story again.This Company. B.M.H. has a connection to Euroland, which is a registered UK Co. and has directors, 2 of these names keep cropping up...A Mr.Atul Sharma, accountant,with offices at Burbage house, 44 Mountfield Road,London w5 2nq and Ms. Daniele Emboulas. BPA blueskies is another company registered at 44 Mountfield Road.I've just been told that there are other companies registered at this address, which sound vaguely familiar but some of them have had "hair cuts" and name changes in recent times,for whatever reason!!

zsexdr 04 Dec 2008 , 12:58am

The wider community out there ( of non investors) must be encouraged to log onto this site and see our plight. Bankers, Brokers, Accountants, Engineers,Lawyers, . ....

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

IS THIS FAIR AND JUST?

whiningmill 04 Dec 2008 , 10:38am

Another victim of Fortuna Estates aka,aka. Have lost loadsa money in the last few years, thanks solely to Mr Perfect (Parfait). If anyone needs rounding up it's him. Sadly, whether these "people" get away with it or not, you can kiss goodbye to your money. I can't see the police handing over any money, can you? and the banks are the only secured creditors who are likely to get anything. Still, I'm with you for any CORPORATE action that the group wishes to take. Meetings for me are out unless a group in Manchester can be arranged. Any Mancunians out there? I'll accept within a 20-mile radius.

zsexdr 04 Dec 2008 , 10:50am

Have long cancelled my subscription to Hot Property Alert and thrown out the old issues I used to keep. My friends have done the same.

DA60 04 Dec 2008 , 2:49pm

I am not sure if a meeting has been held but if not i am in London and would like to attend. My email address is adsholdings@hotmail.com

rgs51 04 Dec 2008 , 3:08pm

I am another gutted investor with money in Cazadores, Miramontana and Miramontana Vista. First I knew of this was a call from EM offering their services - which I shall not be taking up. However, from that I have found this board and would like to be a part of any joint action taken against these people - so will be watching avidly from now on. Thanks for the support- it some cosolation to know I'm not alone.

bigmother 04 Dec 2008 , 4:22pm

just found out today about fortuna when jo hin rang any ideas about what to do or where to go looking forward to hearing from you

Drofder 04 Dec 2008 , 4:26pm

Hi all, I am also a Fortunaland investor since 2004 and discovered last week the Fuengirola offices closed & locked. Doing my own research I spoke with James Sathasivam at length last night.
Also I have a list of 32 investors (names & email addresses with some tel numbers)so far without trawling though above comments for more, which I will do. I'm happy to work with anyone, AFle9876 above?, to get to the bottom of this issue - methodically but not hysterically. I don't think we'll get our money back in the short term but we might be able to upset a few of the perpetrators.

steveadi 04 Dec 2008 , 6:47pm

Hello All,

My feeling is that we should be looking to amalgamate into one group to include ALL investors in whatever schemes we had the misfortune to trust our money. This to ascertain the facts in general eg which scammer was in charge of which project and what their involvement is/was; how much money in various schemes is missing; to obtain a nominal roll of investors who have been affected; and the likelihood (or not!!) of getting any refunds.

Having done the initial search and appraisal of our prospects, then all investors in Sierra or Bella or whatever should then amalgamate in their relevant groups and persue the holding companies for any redress if there is a chance of such. It may be that although one scheme may stand a chance of redress, another will not and the investors in each scheme should be party to the decision to proceed or to drop the case. Hence we need a list of all members of each scheme so that we can communicate with fellow investors.

Although there is a case at this stage for Irish and UK investors to have a national group for mutual sharing of information and general support, we really need to work towards getting ALL investors in a particular scheme on board together, rather than each nationality doing its own thing, however laudable. Ultimately, any court case against Bella Fortuna for example, will have to be persued by Bella Fortuna investors, and so on. I maintain that we should look to amalgamate under the scheme heading we are invested in, rather than under nationality. We should begin to do as soon as the nominal roll of investors becomes available. Duplication of lawyers doing the same work is unnecessary expense and we have lost enough already

bebooyer 05 Dec 2008 , 9:45am

Steveadi,
Fully agree that by project will be the way to go in terms of pooling resources since there will be a different holding company for each project.

I will be meeting with a few other investors this Sunday and then we can post any updates after this and hopefully link up with those in Ireland and elsewhere.

zsexdr 05 Dec 2008 , 10:11am

Steveadi, thank you for your very valuable contribution. your proposal about us amalgamating into ONE LARGE GROUP is an excellent one and a runner. I have been speaking to a number of investors via email and phone and have been suggesting something like this for a while. Some investors are afraid to comment on this site, because they feel foolish about their mistakes
with this investment. Others are afraid of being
bullied. I have spoken to such people.
This is the best opportunity EVER for people to join forces across the world and clean scum of our beautiful planet. We must stick together and there is NOTHING to fear. does anyone know how to contact investors in Japan? can we put something on a web site. I know of at least 3 there. I have located more Canadians (the good ones)
We are blessed to have professionals like, Black Moggy , AFLe9876 and others above. They are investors too. We do need leaders and direction.
Please dont split into small groups and dont stop writing. Every word is valuable.

lodgelane8 05 Dec 2008 , 11:20am

its a shame this site cant help us out by giving the IT address of the MEANMACHINE to the police/interpol,as he seems to be the only one who knows where atul is.

arrow29 05 Dec 2008 , 3:14pm

I heard the bad news few days ago from E.M. He said that he will call me another day to discuss their services to return my money back. I know that this is another opportunist firm which wants to draw again more money from the hand of good thinking people .
I am so ashamed and upset that I trusted my pension money to the hand of these miserable and ignorant people. They think they are smart. But whatever they might think they will pay the price for their ruthless action. For betraying and disturbing the peace of minds of so many people. Sooner or later we will bring them to justice, the life takes its penalty from them - (who knows what - or which loved one!) - and they will continue a more unhappy life than they had before. We have to bring the issue to the public media. Europe should not tolerate this kind of scandal. The financial crisis that the world is facing now is only due to the existence of such egoist and greedy persons in this planet. They are just like terrorists!
Thank you zsexdr. Let join our forces across the world and clean scum of our beautiful planet. Let coordinate our effort. Let us see the court result from AFle9879. Thank you AFle9879 for already initiated the legal process against the scammers. We should also consider the proposal from Steveadi.
Babooyer, would you please let me know the time and place of the meeting in London this weekend.
Thanks to all of you.
zeeyouzoon@yahoo.com

AFle9876 05 Dec 2008 , 10:11pm

Hi Folks, I have removed two documents posted on 3rd and 4th December from this site , on certain advice.
Further correspondance to me needs to be sent to
afle9876@iol.ie
That said, I am not twarted in my determination to organise investors in FORTUNA LAND/FORTUNA ESTATES
and SOL Y NIEVE LAND HOLDINGS 3 LIMITED and ensure ultimately that the promoters and fundraisers of these operations will not mislead and decimate the funds of genuine investors , with false promises ever again.
This is not an Irish problem only-many investors in other countries are involved also.
From a legal prospective ,the above companies
have their own shareholders and the assets of those companies , if any, are only available to those shareholders to distribute ,develop , etc.
Equally, if any one company has liabilities these
reduce those assets in arriving at a net equity
and company valuation.
If the Spanish and/Or Cypriot authorities front a
company investigation (AND THUS HELP INVESTORS) hopefully they will clarify, in due course (1) what net assets are currently in each company and
(2) a comparison between original capital provided
by investors and the net position at 1.
If this results in a deficit , which we suspect,
and this is large , then the question must be answered as to how the ''gap'' arose and , if
mis-management is proven to have taken place by
directors/managers etc then decisions to apply due process to these , in an appropriate fashion , should follow , in line with the law of the country.
What funds are available for ultimate distribution
to shareholders will depend on what is currently
there , based on identified assets and a professional valuation of these AND , in each
investor's case , what further funds an investor is prepared to commit to lawyers , etc or is prepared to further commit to develop lands to which he has proven rights , as a company shareholder. So , in my opinion , the future of each shareholder is linked to those of his bed fellows who , it would appear span many countries,some not even in the EU.
Firstly , identified investors must not commit any further funds to these fraudsters-please do not entertain any calls from EUROPEAN MEDIATION,JAGUAR HOUSE,HARTHALL STREET,MANCHESTER,UK-they are looking for 10% +vat now+8% of ultimate funds for returned to investors.
WRITE DOWN DETAILS OF ALL PHONE CALLS-LET YOU ASK THE QUESTIONS.
Secondly , aggrieved investors need to organise in a corporate legal credible fashion which can be put in place for an infinite number of investors AND these need to appoint ONE reputable international law firm to
represent their best interest in any legal forum
in the future -this may take 3/5 years and involve courts in 2 countries ;
AND to take instructions from an appointed delegation of investors.
If you are a credible investor, wherever you are,
and can provide adequate details to my e.mail address set up for this purpose-afle9876@iol.ie
then your interests will be included in any further
strategy to be formulated ,IF POSSIBLE.
I will not state here what information for authentication will be required to be provided,
as no fraudster moles will be tolerated - and I may take legal opinion on this issue- but would
anticipate, at a minimum , would involve :
1. full name + address + passport photograph.
2.details and proof of funds transfer to specified bank accounts-account number + address+name of account+dates of transfer.
3.details of land purchased + or shares purchased.
eg sq metres +cost or number of shares.
4.Full details of lawyers /notaries/trusts acting
of behalf of the companies being invested in.
These details will ,ideally, be provided to a law firm who can most quickly determine the validity
of data provided and its completeness.
I have identified and contracted such a law firm in Spain , who has power of attorney to act on my behalf and is willing to act for a group of investors, if required.
This can be firmed up on at a later date .

zsexdr 06 Dec 2008 , 10:17am

Group leaders,etc please do NOT give out sensitive information via your email or pass on a genuine investors phone numbers to people you dont know. There is another scam in the making.
Always get proof that the person you are talking to is an investor and ask for proof....passport/land deed/documents/or other.
Not ALL the sad stories reported above are genuine.
Be vigilant at all times.Plenty happening though and great progress on all fronts.
Thanks to all genuine investors who are increasing in numbers every day and coming together from all parts of the world to help bring this saga to a satisfactory conclusion. Some of us out there are working through the night on this...like a doberman with a bone. Please keep writing and stay calm.

steveadi 06 Dec 2008 , 11:34pm

Hello all,

Visit www.spanishpropertyinsight.com/buff/2008/12/fortuna-estates-land-fraud-busted-by-spanish-police/

Message to host. Can this topic be split into pages? It is getting somewhat unmanageable. Thanks.

bebooyer 07 Dec 2008 , 6:12pm

Hello,

There was a meeting on Sunday 7th December of 6 investors based in England.
All investors verified their ID by Spanish deeds and passport.
Investors identified next steps to be taken by the group.
Investors plan to meet again when the next steps have been taken and further information has been gathered.
Investors are keen to expand the group as long as new additions supply copies of Fortuna investments and passports.

steveadi 07 Dec 2008 , 6:18pm

Hello All,
I see oannaxfortunaland website has, like Fortuna, done a runner. Does anyone have a clue who/where Sherlock is??

steveadi 07 Dec 2008 , 7:12pm

My wife just found the following whilst surfing the web. Not sure if this is relevant but is another name in the book and possible scam 'our' Fortuna lot were involved with.


COSTA DEL SOL NEWS dated 5 - 11 Feb 2004

RINGLEADER IN BRITISH TIMESHARE FRAUD ARRESTED

By David Eade

Officers of the Fraud Squad belonging to the Specialised and Violent Crime Unit of the National Police have arrested a South African citizen who stands accused of cheating thousands of Britons in a timeshare scam.
The man identified only as 56-year-old Willem M P is alleged to have run the fraudulent operation for a number of years principally from the Edificio Terminal in Fuengirola and nearby locations.
Investigations started in October 2001 after documentation was found in some offices in Fuengirola linking the arrested man to the recruitment of personnel for suspected timeshare fraud companies.
The modus operandi was to approach British owners of timeshare properties on the Costa del Sol with an offer to resell them at a very good price. The owners were asked to make an initial payment of 1,200 euros to the resale company but once the money was paid the timeshare owners never heard from them again.
Company change of name
The scam would be repeated on an on-going basis as the fraudsters kept changing the companies’ names. According to the National Police the businesses operated as Arana Beach Marbella, FORTUNA PROPERTIES and Trend Properties.
The police estimate that tens of thousands of people in Europe have been the victims of this type of fraud. Their investigations have shown the scam was designed, organised and carried out by groups of British criminals resident on the Costa del Sol. Any readers who have been conned by these groups should report their case to the National Police Comisaría in Málaga.

exsalesperson 07 Dec 2008 , 10:43pm

The land was purchased for cash at the inflated price of 50 cents per sq. metre much to the astonishment of the locals in all 3 locations.

Once the purchase price had been recovered, which took just a few weeks, all the rest was profit, which, after the office costs and sales comissions, was distributed weekly among the beneficiaries to spend as they wished.
Jim and Gill, the sales bosses, took over 250,000 each.

Each of the salespeople got their commissions on deals.

Jerome Andree seemed to manage to get through 10,000 a week just on horses, the casino and alcohol, and then Daniele his wife took over.

Frank Palumbo got the same amount as Jerome.

Bob Carlin got paid amounts varying between 10,000 and 20,000 a month.

If the figure for the total amount conned from the public is correct at 65m., as reported in the Spanish Press, then the bosses shared some 50m. between them.

There was never the slightest possibility, nor intention, of applying for planning permission on what is waste scrubland in the middle of nowhere.

The land is worthless, and could not be sold in the current climate for even 10 euros an acre.

trefil 08 Dec 2008 , 11:23am

Am I a mug - yes I am. I also have invested some large finances into into Fortunaland - Sol y - Nieve - Oanna, call them what you will. I would appreciate information of an organised group which will take these "scamsters" to court. I have also recently been contacted by James Sathasivam (former CEO of Fortunaland) contact details 07971 824789, assuring me "all is well".

seejusticedone 08 Dec 2008 , 12:59pm

The following is submitted in the hope that it will help see justice done.

Having read the latest information and noting that the police in Teddington, England has been mentioned. It is time to set the record straight.

Jerome Andre and his wife Daniele Marie Andree Emboulas owned Fortuna Estates and the Fortunaland. He and his wife were totally responsible for the financial control and running of these companies. As been mentioned Andre has spent time in prison. Pyper was his right hand man.
Andre introduced a fellow Sri Lankan into Fortunaland as financial consultant. His name is James. A. Sathasivam. He in turn, brought into the fold his partner in crime – his name: Atul Sharma.
Within months, Sathasivam had learned that the companies had been turning over big money and he wanted it all. So he intimately gained the confidence of Daniele Emboules and began the process of ousting Andre.
At the same time Sathasivam founded other companies including Oanna to continue the same business of offering land sales with so called “projects” planned for the future. The purpose of these businesses was still to attract and extract money from us investors.
Sathasivam got Daniella Emboules, by now his sworn accomplice, to transfer monies from Fortunaland into the companies that Sathasivam had set up. Here’s the clever bit. Sathasivam never appeared to put his name to the companies. He manipulated Daniella who had become his mistress in more ways than one. Sathasivam thought in this way he will always avoid being seen as the culprit. Wrong!! Andre in the meantime said that Sathasivam was fraudster and had spent time in prison.
This has all occurred over the last 18 months. We know now that Sathasivam, Emboules and probably Sharma extracted our hard earned money and “hid” this in the mountain of companies that were set up in different parts of the world. The so called projects are undoubtedly acting as only a front for the fraud.
They left very quickly from their Spanish office some two / three weeks ago because of physical and shooting threats from a major investor. The story is that it was made very clear to them that they would suffer unless they repaid the owed money. This is why they left the Spanish office quickly like scared rats. They headed for England where Daniele Emboulas actually went to the police station in Teddington, London to ask for protection for the three of them!! The two men are in the UK and it is thought that DE is back in Lyon in France.
The Detective Sergent David Bolton was the policeman she met. He probably does not know anything about their shady background.
During this time Sathasivam actually had the affront to set up an office in London and acting as though he is completely clear of any blame in this fiasco of a scam and continuing in business – unbelievable!! But now it seems closed down.
From other investors information it sounds like Sathasivam has been talking to some of us and trying to shift the blame onto other people who were only employed by the companies in question. It is very clear that these people are not responsible. Some such as Mr Ruiz were employed to do a job. They were never responsible for any fundamental financial dealings in the companies – only adminitrive duties. The fact that their names were mentioned shows that Sathasivam and his cohorts are trying to pull the wool over our eyes.
As other companies were established, they appointed some of the other employees to act as administrators. These people appear to be innocent of any wrongdoings but have been ignorant of their duties.
I suggest that Detective Sergant David Bolton at Teddington must have the correct addresses and contact details for Sathasivam and Sharma in order to arrange any protection in the UK and the same for Emboulas. He probably still doesn’t know the true background of these swindlers. We should make sure that he does and use his connection with the SFO / Scotland Yard to take up proving the case against those who are guilty of taking our money. Namely the three ringleaders They must not get away with this and should not remain at liberty to con other people like us.
Detective Boltons number is 0044 208 667 1212 ext 358/9.

See Justice Done

annbut 08 Dec 2008 , 1:53pm

Whislt there appears to be a lot of information from seejusticedone, i'm not sure what value it. it looks like another avenue to waste time on.

zsexdr 08 Dec 2008 , 2:15pm

and theres more........ be patient

lodgelane8 08 Dec 2008 , 3:48pm

hi exsalesman
are you still in spain?,if you are can we meet?.you can help by going down to your local police station and telling them everything you know,in detail.how about getting in touch with one of the above who are setting up there own sites for meetings etc.every bit of info is helpful for these meetings.

AFle9876 08 Dec 2008 , 5:48pm

Hi folks.
From all the above info ., esp.see justicedon+others , and a number of phonecalls I have had with ex staff over the past
few days , the pieces are fitting together fairly well.
In essance, they were a money gathering machine and it appears NEVER had the intension or ability
to ever bring value to funds raised , hence investors were never going to see euro for euro again once they parted with money.
Cutting to the chase , fundraisers did whatever it took-told whatever lies were necessary-put potential investors under savage pressure to get in funds.Because the funds raised was squandered recklessly by the 3/4 main directors/managers on company loans , inter-company transfers , commissions claimed , poorly planned feasibility studies and office costs a major black hole began to form.Ultimately , when I am maybe more threatened to blow the lid on the scam , they met at the office on the night of 6/11/2008 , scrubbed the hard drives of all pcs ,fled from Spain and appear even to have sold investor details to EM
in an effort to expedite further funds from investors.In fact Sathasivam is currently enticing investors to invest in a Sri Lankan oil seed rape project , as if yesterday never happened.
Yes, the Spanish fraud squad are on the case with some time and most staff have voluntarily given statements to police.
Two questions remain to be answered.
In relation to Oanna , three land banks appear to have been bought.
1.Sierra Fortuna/Bella Fortuna -approx acreage involved , I understand =250 acres , planning permission granted for hotel plans submitted , subject to the planning fee./tax being paid BUT
never paid as it was decided that there was no market whatsoever for a hotel at that site.
1 Casadores

AFle9876 08 Dec 2008 , 5:54pm

2. Casadores Reales, approx 250acres , with ''ideas '' to build a retreat.retirement hotel. No planning sought or given. Most likely
with no commercial potential.
2.Mira Montana -approx 750 acres , basically a massive hole in the ground , with aspirations
to subdivide and place 3 projects there, biofuel/windfarm/solar energy . This sub-division has not taken place and would take 30-40m to develop-extra. This is the Sol Y Nieve site.
In summary , without planning,without a buyer,

AFle9876 08 Dec 2008 , 6:05pm

the total land mass of 1250 acres cost originally about e8000/ACRE to buy , BUT MAYBE MUCH LESS.-HENCE TOTAL MAXIMUM LAND COST=E10M
My simple question is , then, if current estimates are that the whole Fortuna /Oanna machine raised about e60m , which is the lowest estimate I have heard - What happened the GAP OF E50,000,000.!!!!
THE SECOND QUESTION IS :IF THE SPANISH AND CYPRIOT
LEGAL AND PLANNING AND FINANCIAL SYSTEM REGULATION STANDS FOR ANYTHING WHATSOEVER - WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO TO COMPENSATE UNSUSPECTING INVESTORS FOR LOSSES INCURRED AND WHAT TERMS IN JAIL WILL ALL INVOLVED SERVE ONCE THE ''GAP'' HAS BEEN ACCURATELY QUANTIFIED?
BOY-DOES MY BLOOD BOIL!!!!

futureretro 08 Dec 2008 , 8:40pm

I agree with AFlE9876 the Spanish regulatory authority has a responsibility,If they want
credibility and inward investment they must
compensate us!!!!

jailthem 08 Dec 2008 , 10:27pm

Hello,
I'm not an investor but happened to come across
this site as a result of a recent phone call from
a gentleman by the name of James Sathasivam.

I live on the other side of the world and a long way from where all the action is happening with land banking scams etc.

Mr.Sathasivam offered me a great deal and the opportunity to double my money in two years in a company called Earthwatts. Then there would be an attractive commission coming my way for potential clients I would put his way.

So far so good. I am always looking for opportunities and new ideas and like everyone else I like to make a profit.

Mr.Sathasivan told me about his connections in the city of London and about his partnership with an accountant by the name of Mr.Atul Sharma. He went on to say how they had well over 25 years experience between them in banking,finance,property deals,outsourcing,preparing companies for floatation etc. Am still listening.

He referred me to a website- Earthwatts and said he would call me before Christmas. So I end up on the site and see what has happened to all your investments ,presumably we are talking about the same people. crooks. They seem to have several companies,all doing the same thing.

I think, instead of taking another call from this gentleman that I will spend my Christmas reading all about his complicated business networking.

whatascam7 08 Dec 2008 , 11:21pm

We have followed all the developments related to fortunaland as we are also victims of this scam and we have seen the below link


http://www.spanishpropertyinsight.com/buff/2008/12/fortuna-estates-land-fraud-busted-by-spanish-police/

After this piece of news our question is where do we stand? If they have been arrested and go to jail, is that the end of the road for us? or can we get our money back somehow?

We are based in London and would be more than happy to be part of any group action to seek legal proceedings. Please add us to any emailing list to meet. koalablue007@yahoo.co.uk

steveadi 08 Dec 2008 , 11:58pm

Hello all,

Those of us buying into what we thought were shares in a plot of land were charged 7% land transfer tax. It occurs to me that if we have in fact bought shares in a holding company, then the tax on share transfers would be considerably less than 7%, otherwise the Spanish stock exchange would not see much business. Does anyone know what the tax rate is for transfer of shares on the Spanish stock exchange?? It is likely that this 7%tax would have been paid over to the Spanish tax authorities, it is part of the notarys remit to see that tax is paid. Furthermore, Fortuna would have been anxious, especially in the early days,to keep everything legit and not to draw attention to themselves by not paying this tax so as to keep this scam going for as long as possible before the authorities finally caught up with them.

If my premise is correct and we have overpaid Spanish Tax, surely we are due a tax refund?? Well 7% is better than nothing, not much consolation though.

endgame12 09 Dec 2008 , 9:39am

I'm 'invested' in Bella Fortuna and Cazadores Royales. At this stage my priority would be to assist the police and FSA investigations. At the same time we gather as many investors together with contact details, or at least their e mail addresses. There's no point in chasing people who are desperately trying to hide in the undergrowth, that's the job of the police. There's no point in appointed and paying for lawyers at this stage particularly if there are no assets to latch onto. Our time will come however.

zsexdr 09 Dec 2008 , 11:00am

A lot of very useful information has been revealed ahead of Radio and TV exposure of this scam. Timing is important and I think we have lined up the ducks pretty well for the first round.
Many people,---ex employees, associates etc of these "Companies" are coming out and supporting us and we thank them for this. A lot of work is being done behind the scenes. Non investors are welcome to log in and join us. Your comments are invaluable
I have read above about this-- BIG BLACK HOLE -oozing fungus , toxins and waste onto the landscape in a rural part of Spain.!!
Well everything in life is balanced with a positive and a negative. By this I mean that I am looking at a --CROCK OF GOLD-- stashed in the vaults of a secure building in an out of the way location, waiting to be accessed when the dust settles!!
Today I am appealing to accountant MR. ATUL SHARMA
to come on this forum and address the investors. In recent years he was a "contracted advisor" to the said Companies up until they all made that hasty exit, some two weeks ago. Mr. Sharma,... one of your associates has already made contact with someone, indicating ... maybe looking at "something" Please tell us what you mean and call back. We are willing to negotiate , we are good listeners and above all non violent. Whatever the outcome will be, nobody has the right to ( or should)) physically harm another human being.
Mr. Sharma...think of your family... your children. Do you want to ruin their lives forever. Think of us, our loved ones and the legacy we want to leave our children.
I know you will do the decent thing and make contact, somehow with us.
You spoke to an investor on the phone last week and you were quick to point out that ...."investing is risky"... "you take your chances."... "read the fine print"... "look at risk appetite," etc.
WELL MR. SHARMA WE HAD NO CHANCE WITH THIS INVESTMENT. THERE WAS NEVER GOING TO BE A RETURN FOR US.
We await your reply and thank you.

firstbyte 09 Dec 2008 , 11:04am

Hello fellow investors. I have been offline no computer for two weeks.I was very surprised to geta telephone call from Danielle. Called to apologise for everything that has gone wrong.
She says that Andre is the culprit along with one other who is the cause of all this.She is apparently talking to lawyers to try and resolves the issues and is prepared to talki to any investors who may be interested. Unfortunately she does not seem to have an email address but James is in touch with her.
More importantly I have had an email from Chris Redford who has now in touch with approximately 55 + investors. His email address is chrisredford@aol.com. My email asddress is sebastians@ntlworld.com

gunner10 09 Dec 2008 , 12:09pm

Danielle upset my heart bleeds. She enjoyed spending our money for yrs while Andree spend it on women gambling and drink. She wants to give us back the land thanks its worthless!!! Give us back our money. Danielle tell us about all the bank accounts and who had access to these accounts. Let me think YOU at least for the last 2 yrs. You had control and your side kick James. James, Jerome and Danielle you keep pleading you have did nothing wrong. Jesus you must think people are very stupid. Its only a matter of time before the game is up.

steveadi 09 Dec 2008 , 12:56pm

Hello All

Visit:
www.marbella-lawyers.com/wordpress/tag/fortuna-land/

AFle9876 09 Dec 2008 , 3:03pm

The court hearing was heard this morning in Fuengirola.-9/12/2008
The case , in court number 2, in Fuegirola has named the
investigation : FUENTES PINO.
The court has stated that it has identified lands in the hinterlands of
Granada / Malaga/ Almeria
which was acquired by companies :
Finca Czadores,
Oanna Spain
Fortuna Estates 2000
Fortuna Land.
It describes the land as rustic and of insignificent value.
It confirms that it has frozen certain bank accounts and interrogated
certain individuals.
It considers that in excess of 2000 people were involved.
It considers the amount of funds involved to be in the region 60-200,000,000.
and possible multiple selling of the same land.
People who consider themselves to be injured parties are requested to file a denuncia
under the above case , at the above court.
This can be done directly by arriving with proof of identification and
proof of investment.
Alternatively , investors can appoint a lawyer (ideally Spanish, in my opinion)
assign to him a power of attorney to act on their behalf, provide to him
proof of identify+ investment and , in due course, get him to act on their
behalf before the courts as this investigation proceeds.
My lawyer is of the opinion that this investigation will go on for some time
and that the financial losses will be significent in each case.
It will be ultimately for the judge to decide how finally identified NET ASSETS, IF ANY
once the case is concluded , will be distributed in conjunction with injured parties.
There is no point in any investor incurring any further cost at this point.
other the actions highlighted by me above .
In terms of someone who only invested in Oanna this May , I am hovering between absolute disgust anger and sadness. Quiet clearly, the companies were totally insolvent when they took in my funds
and smiled in my face , while kicking me in the butt at the same time.
This is my test as to whether there is any justice in the Spanish/ Cypriot legal systems and how they propose to protect the future of humanity from this scum.Retreating to the UK should be no hiding place for at least 2 of the parties involved and
Scotland Yard should now know enought to see that the UK resident needs protection from these and others like them.Will they act??? For Irish residents , be very wary of even going to any property show again.

OverseasCafe 09 Dec 2008 , 4:26pm

Hi,

we've put up a blog on this issue. At the end you will find a comprehensive listing of the areas in which the topic is being aired.

If we've missed any please do email us at info@OverseasCafe.com and let us know, we'll be glad to list them.

http://overseascafe.blogspot.com/2008/12/fortuna-estates-raided-by-fraud-squad.html

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