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Exclusive: More Pain For Egg Customers!

Cliff D'Arcy

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Cliff D'Arcy

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Published in Credit Cards on 4 August 2008

We reveal shocking news for customers of online bank Egg. Get ready to pay lots more interest and new fees...

I’ve always been something of a cheerleader for online bank Egg. Egg started life in 1996 as Prudential Banking plc, a division of life-insurance giant Prudential. Then, almost ten years ago, on 11 October 1998, it was reborn as Egg*, the UK’s first – and the world’s largest – internet-only bank.

The curate’s Egg (good in parts)

Egg gained kudos, for me, when it became the first lender in the UK to launch a 0% credit card for balance transfers.  In other words, borrowers could transfer debts from other credit cards to an Egg Card and avoid interest for six months.

Of course, other banks rushed to join this bandwagon, so there are a hundred different 0% balance transfers available today – with much longer interest-free periods. For example, the currently market leader, Capital One, offers 0% on balance transfers until 1st December 2009.

So what about Egg? You may remember Egg came in for a lot of flak in February of this year, when it cancelled 161,000 Egg Cards.  Although Egg claimed that it no longer wish to lend to these ‘risky’ cardholders, many had excellent credit records and three even claimed they were millionaires! Read Egg Cancels 161k Credit Cards for more details.

More bad news for Egg customers

Thanks to the ongoing credit crunch, rising bad debts and payment problems are hitting British banks hard.  Thus, credit is becoming increasingly harder to get, and the cost of borrowing is going up. And it seems Egg is feeling a bit scrambled, because the company has passed on a hit to Egg Money (but not Egg Visa) cardholders in four ways.  With effect from 4 September:

1.      Egg Money cardholders will see their interest rate on purchases leap from a typical APR of 7.9% to 12.9% APR. In other words, their interest bill will rise by almost two-thirds (63%). However, this is still significantly below the rate charged by most cashback cards (around 16% or higher).

2.      Cash withdrawals will attract a higher interest rate of 16.9% APR.

3.      A fee of 3% (minimum £3) will be charged on cash withdrawals, balance transfers and gambling transactions.

4.      The foreign-currency conversion fee increases from 2.65% to 2.95% of the value of each purchase.

On 99% of occasions, you should never use your credit card to withdraw cash or pay for cash-like transactions such as gambling bets.  This is because you face a double whammy of sky-high interest rates and hefty fees.

This is no yolk!

Back in May, in Cash And Credit Cards Don't Mix, I selected the Egg Money card as the top Best Buy credit card for cash withdrawals. Sadly, the above changes transform the Egg Money card from a Best Buy into a Don’t Buy if you’re looking to make cash withdrawals. This is partly because Egg’s cash-withdrawal fee is now the highest in the market

Also, customers being charged the new interest rate of 16.9% APR on cash withdrawals are shelling out more than the market average (16.5% APR).  At 2.95%, Egg’s sterling-conversion fee is higher than average, too. In addition, Egg charges £2 for each paper statement, £2 for repayments made by cash or cheque, and a fee to round up monthly interest to a minimum of 50p. 

How do you like your Egg?

Despite all this, the Egg Money card isn’t all bad. In fact, it has still two very good features. Firstly, it pays 1% cashback on all retail spending. True, the market leader, American Express, pays 5% -- but this only lasts for the first three months. The rate then drops to just 0.5% on the first £3,500. (Higher cashback rates are on offer, however, for bigger spenders.)

And secondly, it pays an interest rate of 4% AER on credit balances. So if you’re in credit on this card, you’ll be paid interest. This is pretty unique in the marketplace.

So, don’t automatically discount this card. It may still suit your needs – it all depends on how you plan to use it. For people who always pay off their monthly bill in full, like a straightforward and consistent rate of cashback and are often in credit on their card, Egg Money is still a card worth having.

But if cash withdrawal is what you want…

…then you should get out now before these punishing changes take effect.  My advice is to immediately stop using your Egg Money to withdraw cash, and make arrangements to transfer your existing balance to a 0% credit card.  Otherwise, the cost of using your Egg Money card could go through the roof.

For the record, there are now only two credit cards which don’t charge fees on cash withdrawals: the Abbey Zero MasterCard and the Co-operative Bank Clear Visa. With Egg out of the running, you may want to go for one of these cracking cards instead.

* Egg was almost named Oxygen. Not a lot of people know that.

Many thanks to Fool reader Paul S for alerting me to this news.

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Dee157 04 Aug 2008, 4:18pm

I have tried 4-5 times since last night to open an account for an Egg money card but each time the website seems to close without the whole application going through..I am still waiting to hear back from them..

ritchiewags 04 Aug 2008, 6:48pm

This should make no difference to those who use this 'cashback' card correctly. If, as should be, the balance is paid off in full, the interest rate is irrelevant. Egg Money has never been a good card for foreign transactions, use Nationwide. Lastly, no credit card should be used for cash or cash like purchases.

tanyadaly 05 Aug 2008, 6:20am

This completely defeats the point of the card! The whole reason I have Egg Visa and Egg Money is that Egg Money was supposed to give you the option of behaving as a debit and a credit card so if you could withdraw cash from it. Glad you had this article because Ive not noticed anything from Egg detailing these changes and I often use my Egg Money to withdraw cash. There goes the unique selling point of this product so Im not sure what the point of having 2 cards is now.

strangerthree 05 Aug 2008, 7:16am

Hah! 12,9% !!
Egg have told me that they are charging me 19,9% from September!

bubblemax123 05 Aug 2008, 8:14am

I must admit I don't like Egg, it used to be the best rate of all my cards, now it's the worst at 19.9% ALREADY and has been that way for some time, a year or so, for me anyway. Same old story of good value turns into bad value. Not sure why it would seem I pay 19.9% already, but there you go.

bigb43 05 Aug 2008, 8:17am

Looks like Egg is cracking

geedoubleu 05 Aug 2008, 8:27am

Egg Money has always been a confused product. I use it like a current account with cashback and load it up each month and spend on it and make cash withdrawals. But I know people have taken advantage of its credit card features, so spend on it going into the red and then just pay the whole amount each month. It is now just an ordinary cashback credit card but pays interest on postive balances, so I'll have to change the way I use it now. 1% is market leading cashback so I will use it his way, I just won't load it up anymore, I'll use it in arrears.

JOEJAGGER123 05 Aug 2008, 9:34am

I owed Egg£6,300 on my credit card. I paid it off in one go and was infact just in credit. I then became one of the 160,000 to receive a NO THANKS letter. So what price in them supposedly giving interest on any card in credit.TThey are in trouble and only want you if you are a debt junkie. Take my word, drop them as soon as possible if you can find an alternative.

Icelolly 05 Aug 2008, 9:43am

I used to be a fan of Egg in the early days and have held a credit card(used for cashback and 0% balance transfer), savings accounts and also a mortgage with them. Gradually they started to become uncompetitive and I have closed all my accounts with them.

mhep 05 Aug 2008, 9:54am

I recently applied for an Egg loan. Last year I received tons of marketing from them for low interest loans. I never applied until now. To borrow £5000.00 they accepted but with an interest rate of 24.9%. I don't think they actually want to lend the money.

cripanol 05 Aug 2008, 9:58am

Does this mean that even cash withdrawals from any money that you have in credit will be charged at 3% fee? - If so - that's crazy... Can you still transfer any positive balance on Egg money back to a debit card account? - with no fee?

piggymillionaire 05 Aug 2008, 10:22am

Seems to me like there's never been a more important time for people to establish an additional income stream.

Terri10000 05 Aug 2008, 11:15am

cripanol..reading the frequently asked questions...no cash fees on positive balance withdrawels, but 3% if you have a negative balance.

andysuth 05 Aug 2008, 11:19am

As a former shareholder in EGG PLC I'm suprised no one has mentioned the rather dubious buy-back that PRUDENTIAL did.
Basically, Prudential kept a large holding in Egg PLC.

Egg PLC then is mis-managed (for want of better word) share price continuously drops after farces like the purchase of French interests, until about five years after the initial issuing of the shares, Prudential acquires a critical stake (of 75%) and issues compulsary buy backs.

I've forgotten how much money I and other people lost on that rather smart move, but whatever it was it was a damn smart move by Prudential.

At best, a good capital "loan", (of the amount of money gained through the public optioning of shares) at worst an intentional removal of the food from Egg Card customers tables, all of whom thought Egg Plc represented a good opportunity to support and sahre in the successes of a financial product they believed in.

I've yet ot decide which it was, but I sure wish the government hadn't turned a blind eye to this loophole.

-Andy

alucarDrM 05 Aug 2008, 11:29am

A fee of 3% (minimum £3) will be charged on cash withdrawals, balance transfers and gambling transactions.

This is ever so slightly misleading Cliff. Since you mention the 4% interest rate when with a positive balance, the least you could do is point out the 3% charge only applies if you don't have a positive balance.

andysuth 05 Aug 2008, 11:35am

£131.84 I lost (on a £500 sahre holding)

This was over the course of a period from floatation in early 2000 to Prudential buy back in December 2005.

I'm still unclear as to how much of Egg was sold off publically as telegraph articles still say 18%, which is less than they had when they bought it back.

Medium Term loan anyone? (or should I say any multinationals?)

Penniless101 05 Aug 2008, 12:11pm

I was a huge fan of Egg originally; they were ground-breaking in approach and offered a genuine service that saved me money. How times change! It may have co-incided with their purchase by Citibank, but as far as I'm concerned, they just run with the pack now; insignificantly better or worse than the competition. The reason I'm closing my Egg card account, however, is because they repeatedly block transactions as they "don't appear to be within my regular spending pattern." In many cases this was blatantly untrue (eg. purchasing football tickets for the 5th time in a year), but I've frankly had enough of the inconvenience, embarrassment and frustration that Egg has caused me. Capital One Platinum, here I come!

asrail 05 Aug 2008, 4:59pm

I was one of those who had their account closed. I still have a very small balance with them and only keep it open because I can access all my accounts from one place and that is the only reason. Does anyone know of another account or facility that allows me to view all my financial accounts?

jamesy2008 05 Aug 2008, 5:26pm

Hi yes the only other one I know is 1st direct. At the momnet there doing a promotional competition so if you have an account with them and register for there account management then you could win £500 in M&S Vouchers.
In addition to this the difference to EGG & 1st direct is that you can manage every single (most) account banks/ store/ credit cards. As well as email addresses and other things. I have to confess I havent used this service myself yet. Its free if you have an account with them.

jamesy2008 05 Aug 2008, 5:32pm

EGG Postive: Cashback 1%/ Cashback upto 25% on selected products via there link on there web site. At the moment theres 10% back on last minute.com Ive made £53. Also the 4% back is still a bonus.

As many of you said if you pay off in full its a good card. If you dont and have to use it for cash withdrawls then it isnt. If you just use it as a general credit card then its still very good V other cards. But I wouldnt be surprised that things will get worse for account holders again within the next year. But we all have to bear in mind that citibank own this and there having financial problems & the overal credit crunch. I guess egg are trying to secure themselves for any more problems by doing the recent bad things that they have. I guess either risk becoming like Northern Rock or do unpopular things but secure yourself so at least you should survive the financial climiate without becoming a victim.

prettypurrfect 05 Aug 2008, 6:24pm

I have had an Egg Card since they began - originally Egg Blue and Egg Green. I think I have used my Egg Money card (I cancelled the other one)once in the last two years and paid it off immediately. I am one of the "lucky" ones who was allowed to keep their card - they are not making any money out of me, so where's the sense in that? Just received an email to say that my interest rate is now 12.9% - I'm sure it used to be more?

Enzyme76 06 Aug 2008, 10:58am

I think the egg money card is great.
I always pay off in full every month, but I aim buy everything I can on it to MAX out my 1% cash back.

loofyeltomym 06 Aug 2008, 8:51pm

I have also closed all my accounts with Egg due to the introduction of various changes and charges - the 50p minimum interest charge has already been mentioned but are people also aware that cash back is NOT paid to you unless you reach a £10 minimum?

Enzyme76 07 Aug 2008, 9:06am

Yes I am aware of the of the minimum £10 cash back, but when I spend on average £600 per month, I always get it.
+ pay off in FULL each month.
Last year I got just over £120.
Use it wisely and you can MAKE money.

HazelEdmunds 15 Aug 2008, 10:06am

Only just picked this one up but I got my Egg Visa cancelled in February AND an interest rate of TWENTY SIX percent.
I've now negotiated an interest rate hold and a more sensible monthly payment to clear the debt but ...

willtho 12 Sep 2008, 3:59pm

My memories of Egg are only favourable as the final entitlement to three years of zero rate transfers was this year but just before repayment they included me with the 161,000 elbowed out. Their loss not mine since although no use was made of their card during the zero rate period avoiding higher interest on the purchases portion, I had already started using one of the cards for my main expenditure which is where they take 2.5% on turnover from traders, as a kind of thank you. Closure took about 7 weeks in all and various telephone calls as this aspect of their finely tuned automated internet routines needs work - much work!

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