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Published in Your Money on 26 September 2008

Savings are protected by the Financial Services Compensation Scheme, but what about pensions, insurance policies and investments? What happens if your provider collapses? Jane Baker finds out.

There’s been a lot of talk about the Financial Services Compensation Scheme (FSCS) lately. That’s hardly surprising given the troubles facing the UK banking system.

Of course, savers want to know how safe their money is if their bank collapsed. The FSCS protects savings up to a maximum of £35,000 if the bank in question goes bust. (Find out more about how the FSCS protects savings here.)

But the scheme doesn’t stop there. If you’re beginning to wonder how other financial products are protected, you’ll be glad to know compensation can also be given for insurance policies and investments  too.

In all cases, the following three things must apply before the FSCS can step in:

  • You must have suffered financial loss.
  • The firm in question must be authorised by the Financial Services Authority (FSA).
  • The firm must be in default which means it’s unable, or likely to be unable, to pay claims against.

If the firm is still trading, claims for compensation should be directed to the Financial Ombudsman Service (FOS).

With these things in mind, let's look at each product in turn and the protection the FSCS could provide. We'll kick-off with long-term insurance and pensions.

Long-term insurance and pensions

This covers products such as pensions, annuities, endowments and life insurance.

If an insurer were to go into default, the maximum protection the FSCS could provide is 100% of the first £2,000 plus 90% of the remainder of the claim. There is no upper limit on the amount of compensation that could be paid.

Here’s an example of how a claim for compensation under the FSCS could work in practice. Remember each claim will be dealt with on a case by case basis.

Let’s say you have been making contributions for a pensions policy, but your provider has gone bust. You, of course, would want to make a claim for financial loss. If the pension provider is unable to meet your claim because it has insufficient assets -- and you can’t be compensated by any other means -- then you can turn to the FSCS for help.

What will the FSCS do?

First of all, the FSCS would try to arrange for the pension you had with the failed provider to continue in one of two ways:

1. This could be achieved by transferring your pension to another provider, or

2. By substituting your original pension with one offered by an alternative provider.

Whichever route is used, the FSCS will ensure you receive at least 90% of your pension pot. The pot's value would be determined by a court.

Alternatively, the scheme could instead provide funds to return the contributions you have made for your pension where appropriate.

General insurance

This includes compulsory insurances such as motor insurance and non-compulsory insurances such as home insurance.

Compulsory insurances are protected if full so you would be entitled to 100% of your claim. For non-compulsory insurances, the maximum compensation is 100% of the £2,000, plus 90% of the remainder.

The FSCS would take the same action as it does for long-term insurance policies and pensions. You also have a right to claim compensation for financial loss against an insurance broker which has stopped trading or ‘disappeared’.

General insurance advice

This only applies where general insurance policies have been arranged by an adviser firm on or after 14 January 2005. The compensation limits are the same as general insurance.

Here are a couple of examples when there may grounds to claim:

  • If the firm had not yet placed cover with an insurer before its date of default, you could be entitled to a return of your premiums or payment of a claim if one was outstanding at the time.
  • If the firm places insufficient cover for you, or fails to tell you about a relevant exclusion which causes the insurer to reject your claim.

Investments

This includes products such as stocks & shares, unit trusts and futures & options. The maximum compensation under the FSCS is £48,000 per person, where 100% of the first £30,000 is protected and 90% of the next £20,000. 

The FSCS states that, for your investment claim to be successful, it must meet all of the following criteria:

  • You must have lost money as a result of receiving bad advice to buy an investment, poor investment management or misrepresentation.
  • The advice to buy an investment must have been given to you on or after 28 August 1988.
  • The firm that advised you must have been authorised by an appropriate regulator at the time.
  • The firm you have made a claim against has insufficient assets to pay you compensation.

So, to sum up, you are only protected if you made the investment in the last 20 years following advice from an authorised investment advisor.

In practice, the compensation the FSCS would pay aims to put you back in the same financial position had you not invested. The scheme may also add a ‘rate of return’ to your compensation award. This takes account of the interest -- or some other rate of return -- which you have lost the opportunity to earn on your money over the period of investment.

That covers most of the FSCS's remit. You can see the scheme is pretty wide-reaching and protects far more than just your savings. But it’s important to know your rights and the limitations on compensation.

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Asdagadget2 29 Sep 2008, 7:02am

This is all very well for people who are working, but how would it affect the pension I am already drawing, if the Company which pays it goes "to the wall"?? Would I lose everything and be left with just the Government Pension, or would "someone" take over the responsibility and pay me the monthly amount I enjoy now?

hamtune 29 Sep 2008, 7:52am

An interesting point Asdagadget2. Though my pensions should be relatively safe, one army and one RSPCA. You just never know what might happen the way this government has been (mis)functioning!

Riselaw 29 Sep 2008, 8:06am

But what happens if I invest in, say, an ISA or a SIPP through a broker such as Hargreaves Lansdown, and the broker goes bankrupt, either after investing my money in the shares I have chosen, or, indeed, without buying my chosen shares?

Would I get all my shares and/or money back? Or would it be better to spread investments among different brokers? This article does not seem to touch on this issue.

RansomStark 29 Sep 2008, 9:20am

I wonder if the same protection is given to irish domiciled ETF's ??

jheenan1 29 Sep 2008, 9:33am

As the Fool is a strong supporter of the SIPP it might be worth mentioning that SIPP's are treated as an investment and not a pension. This is something of a concern as should a SIPP provider go bust when I am 63 and I have 3 zillion pounds in my account, I am guaranteed by the state the princely sum of £48,000

therustler1999 29 Sep 2008, 9:34am

So am I correct in assuming that, if you've made your own investment decisions, for example investing in index trackers, and NOT taken any advice, you're not covered for a bean??!

alex1975 29 Sep 2008, 9:45am

"But what happens if I invest in, say, an ISA or a SIPP through a broker such as Hargreaves Lansdown, and the broker goes bankrupt,"

Your ISA or SIPP will be unaffected as client money is ringfenced from the company.

thejaggers 29 Sep 2008, 9:46am

I think if you invest through say Hargreaves Lan your investments will be Ringfenced in your named account. As I believe is what happens if you hold your investments in "CoFunds" or "Funds Network" But i am not sure!

DP130132 29 Sep 2008, 10:38am

Refer to some of the victims!! My annuity with Equitable Life should be
2000 sterling, plus, each month. It has now dwindled to 280 a month!! FSA, and the Ombudsman recommend the Government
give "compensation and re-instate"

Guess what is happening!!! Never put
your money where you have no control. Many many persons have, and will, die
before anything possibly happens.

jessemax 29 Sep 2008, 11:29am

I totally agree with DP130132. I will NEVER again trust the pensions industry or the government and it's "regulators". I am 47 and had been steadfastly saving into an Equitable life scheme since the age of 16. I now find my pot reduced by two thirds and guess what?

NO ONE CARES

Since Equitable's collapse, I have taken my investments into my own hands. My wife and I recently paid off our mortgage. Paid off our cards. And I have just bought a brand new Lotus

Research the market and make your money work hard FOR YOU. You can make money without the rip off institutions. I know, I did it.......

PRMARJORAM 29 Sep 2008, 3:33pm

My advice to invest in an index tracker was from reading on the fool, through Legal and General.

So if they went under would I be compensated?

Has the fool been appointed to advise by anappropriate regulator back in 2003?

RansomStark 29 Sep 2008, 4:30pm

Taken from the fools disclaimer. Basically, this info is for your own use, you decide howto use it, or pay someone to tell you instead.

Your money, your decision..

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DP130132 29 Sep 2008, 7:35pm

Well done Jessemax. It does my heart good to hear your achievement. I have been hoping for compensation, and the
capital i had has been eroded to maintain a reasonable standard of living, whilst I fooolishly wasted time listening to promises.
I have no option now but to sell my home, rent, and hope the capital will
give me a standard of living until the end of my days. I emigrated, live in a wonderful climate, no taxes, no heating costs - NO social security or hand-outs,
maybe I will make it,or I might get lucky with the couple ofPremium Bonds I keep!!! Nil desperandum!!! I hope
others learn from our experience, and KEEP PERSONAL control of your money!!!

jude24 29 Sep 2008, 8:07pm

My buildings and contents insurance is due for renewal on Thursday and one of the cheapest options is with Bradford & Bingley. Should I worry or should I go for it?
Also (stupid question but if you don't ask you don't find out!) my house is on the market. I pay for a year's home insurance in one go. If, by some remote chance, I actually managed to sell my house within a year, what happens to the balance?

natouille 29 Sep 2008, 8:09pm

My comment would be, invest only what you are prepare to loose. Having all eggs in same basket is not a clever way to invest. All is about portfolio. A bit of pension, a bit of property, a bit of bonds and shares, a bit of cash .... This is tue also on where the investment is made, all about controlling the risks. My husband took all his saving out of ISA in November last year as we predicted that financial catastrophy would follow the predicted credit crunch. Basically, never have full trust on so called advisers as they all have hiden agendas (they operate on commision). Learn from mistakes from the past (Swedish crisis in 90's, Japanese crisis in 2000's ....) ans spread the risk.
Next crisis .... Job loses on major scale (1980's style, London will not escape this time !!!).

Sawatdee 29 Sep 2008, 11:44pm

How safe is the old equitable life managed fund.
I belive that was taken over by the halifax or a branch of them.
I've got most of my AVC's with them.

BazzaHW 30 Sep 2008, 9:49am

I have a SIPP with Standard Life, not yet drawn on.
It includes £100,000 on deposit with Standard Life Bank.
Is this protected as an investment (meaning 90% on the excess over the 100% covered £2000)
And also some other shares etc
Is the whole lot protected?

DP130132 30 Sep 2008, 10:00am

The only thing "safe" with Equitable
seems to be the staff pension pot, which
I believe, but am not sure, of course, is with another company and untouchable!!

PRMARJORAM 30 Sep 2008, 12:09pm

RansomStark, I am very pleased with how my index tracker has performed since 2003. I just hope Legal & General are in good shape for this storm. Given they are in good shape, this is the time to buy up more stock as it is now surely undervalued as it was back in 2003 and where in 2007 i saw over 100% return.

How can i tell how healthy a organisation like Legal & General are?

RichardBlundell 30 Sep 2008, 3:10pm

It's amusing that after both this article and the "The Facts About The Savings Guarantee" article there are floods of comments asking for answers that weren't given in the articles. (Wouldn't it be simpler if the FSCS guarantee just guaranteed all investments for everyone, or at worst a fixed amount per account. How are consumers supposed to know that accounts A and B will get full compensation but C and D won't because the firms are related?)

One repeated question in both articles seems to be how tracker ISAs are protected. Do I own the shares in my (L&G) tracker? Or are they "ring-fenced" (so what does that mean in absolute/guaranteed terms)? Or are the funds at total risk? Can we have an article that actually covers these issues rather than just repeating what all the others articles say?

realist2008 30 Sep 2008, 4:12pm

'Ring-fencing' and 'guarantees' are of no value without trust, and assets. Both are becoming toxic. So - as the Equitable Life shows - I'm planning for at least one of my financial havens failing completely. (Just don't know which one yet!)

My family holds no single investment - bank, pension, Sipp, equity, property - which if it collapses 100%, would threaten my well-being. (If you're already in that position, diversify whatever the cost).

Simply put - the financial road ahead is rocky, the winds of change are whirling around our ears, the hedges full of desparate thieves and greedy vagabonds - so don't keep all the eggs in the one basket!

gordonbanks42 01 Oct 2008, 11:34pm

I'd like to request a follow-up to this article as I, like many others who posted above, have really only one concern, and I think it's about ring-fencing rather than the terms of the FSCS.

I have a lot of money invested in collective investment schemes of one sort or another - mine are all either OEICs or ETFs although others may be interested in the position of ITs and perhaps AUTs if there are any left out there.

The big question is "Am I exposed to the financial viability of the fund management company or not?"

The units/shares are all held within either an ISA or a SIPP, and the units themselves are ring-fenced so that they cannot be seen as the property of the ISA or SIPP manager. From this it is clear that I am not exposed to the viability of the ISA or SIPP manager.

But what about the company running the investment fund (the "unit manager")?

OK - if the fund's investment manager makes an awful investment decision and the unit price plummets, that's my hit for backing his judgement (and I didn't take advice, so I cannot claim against an adviser).

But if the fund management company running the OEIC or ETF goes bust or incurs some extraordinary liability unrelated to the operation of the scheme/fund, are the assets of the scheme/fund protected from being used to meet such other debts of the fund management company?

I would like to think that the assets of such schemes/funds must be ring-fenced. If they are not and the FSCS does not apply (which my reading of the article says it doesn't), then I - along with lots of others - am totally exposed if Fidelity, L&G or Deutsche Bank catches a cold on some hare-brained scheme that has nothing to do with my boring old index trackers.

pmclondon 15 Oct 2008, 10:16am

Interesting article but I agree that it does not answer some of the real questions investors may have in this respect and I'd expect a more detailed article from the Fool.

It looks like ishares ETFs are OK if you read this article: http://www.fleetstreetinvest.co.uk/shares/market-outlook/exchange-traded-funds-etfs-09345.html
As the underlying securities are held by the fund and these are ringfences: no counterparty risk.
But not all other ETFs as indicated in the article. For example the Deutsche dbxtrackers buy a basket of securities and swap out these returns with a counterparty. The results is better replication of the index and even an enhanced return. Also this counterparty risk is limited to 10% of the fund by UCITs regulations. However, the basket of securities may be nothing resembling the underlying index and these securities seem to be cabable of being lent out. Imagine buying a healthcare ETF only to find out the underlying securities were financial stocks and most of these had been lent to Lehmans.
The Deutsche tracker actually sounds very interesting and I was attracted to it until recent events.
http://www.dbxtrackers.co.uk/pdf/EN//brochure/etfbrochure.pdf
Interesting when it comes to the risk factors, these do not seem very clear. The comment is: the assets of the sub-fund, the underlying and the derivative techniques for linking them can include elements of employing debt capital (or borrowing), through which losses can potentially be enlarged and lossed can be incurred, which exceed the borrowed or invested amount
Perhaps it should read: if you don't understand it don't invest in it!

I rely only on the information available and my own limited understanding of this so please correct any inaccuracies.
As always, DYOR, but having said that these are exactly the point you'd expect the Fool to be focusing on !

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