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Don’t Be Bullied Into Buying This

Serena Cowdy

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Serena Cowdy

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Published in Your Money on 18 August 2008

Find out why applying for a new credit card made Serena Cowdy so angry!

I recently took out a new Virgin Money credit card. I was pleased with the 0% balance transfer deal I was offered, but one aspect of the application process really hacked me off.

Can you guess what it was? That’s right - the pressure I came under to buy payment protection insurance (PPI).

My recent experience has got me thinking that the PPI hard sell on credit cards might be getting even worse. In the course of my application, I spoke to call centre staff on five different occasions. EVERY SINGLE TIME someone tried to flog me PPI - despite the fact that the first time I spoke to someone, I asked for my refusal to be put on record.

I understand that staff bonuses often rest on PPI being sold. And I’m sure they’re under considerable pressure to get rid of the stuff. But when I was asked - for the third time - to give the exact reasoning behind my refusal, I did get a bit cross.

It may have been a one-off. But I was appalled to find myself on the receiving end of such treatment from Virgin Money. And not just because pressuring your customers into buying anything is obviously bad practice. Because, as my fellow Fool Cliff D’Arcy has been saying for years, PPI is a complete rip-off.

Here’s why you should never allow yourself to be pressurised into buying it.

What is PPI?

PPI can, theoretically, be a valuable back-up if you end up in financial trouble. It’s designed to provide cover if you can't make loan, credit card or mortgage repayments because of an accident, sickness or unemployment.

What’s wrong with it?

Greed: The PPI you’re sold with loans or credit cards is usually astoundingly bad value.

Because the lender is in pole position to offer you this cover, there’s little incentive for them to price it competitively. As a result, you’ll usually be charged way over the odds while they pocket an enormous profit.

Cliff D’Arcy used to work in the PPI market before he turned from ‘the dark side’ and waged war on it. According to him, loan PPI can be sold profitably and add less than 4%to your monthly repayments.

In practice, these policies cost around three to five times more than this!

Loopholes: The second main problem is the number of get-out clauses and loopholes that usually exist in the PPI sold with consumer credit products.

This means that a large percentage of claims are rejected, on top of the fact that customers have been paying far more than they need for this cover in the first place.

Mis-sold: Finally, PPI with products is frequently mis-sold. Big financial incentives are offered to staff selling PPI to customers, so it’s not surprising that the product is often not described in an objective and sober fashion.

For example, many self-employed borrowers have been sold PPI, despite the fact that they cannot claim on the unemployment cover.

And when I took out a personal loan a few years ago, I had to question the staff member for several minutes before I dragged out of her the fact that PPI was not, in fact, a compulsory purchase!

A light at the end of the tunnel?

There is hope on the horizon. Earlier this year, the Competition Commission concluded that - surprise surprise - the UK PPI market was anti-competitive.

In The Death Of Rip-Off Insurance?, Cliff D’Arcy explains what action may soon be taken to address the problem.

Still want it?

Hopefully now, if you are ever asked to ‘explain your reasoning’ by a PPI salesperson, you can give it to them with both barrels!

But if you haven’t been put off and have, in fact, decided you need PPI, you could still save a packet by choosing a stand-alone provider rather than the company dealing with your loan or credit card.

Fool partner British Insurance is one provider that should offer some good value options.

A final warning

If you’re applying for a credit card, watch out for one last hard-sell you’re liable to have to fend off.

Just after they try and sell you PPI, your provider will probably encourage you to buy identity fraud protection, to protect you in the event of your card being lost, or fraud being committed on it.

According to Which?, banks and credit card companies are playing on people’s fears about ID fraud to sell them overpriced protection of this kind.

The consumer champion has awarded the product ‘Don’t Buy’ status - so think carefully before you part with your cash.

Thankfully, however, there are plenty of other steps you can take to protect your identity which don’t cost a thing.

The first card Virgin sent to me was cancelled - by them - after it temporarily got lost in the ‘secure’ mail system they use. The conversation that followed went something like this:

Me: ‘So the first card has now been cancelled?’

Staff member: ‘That’s right. It’s been lost on the way to you I’m afraid….Can I interest you in ID protection for your card? It’ll provide cover in the event that the card is lost…’

Me: ‘But… but… you lost the card!’

I think that really says it all…

More: The Five Worst Credit Rip-Offs… Ever!

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bobbles31 18 Aug 2008, 3:31pm

The irony in an article telling people not to get PPI including a link to a fool partner that sells PPI is not lost on me.

My personal opinion has always been that if the bank are worried that my circumstances change and I can't afford the loan then that is their problem. Not Mine.

I am very wary of any insurance that is sold at the point that you take out any kind of credit or indeed buying any product. Taking out credit itself is a bad idea, but PPI, GAP insurance ID Protection insurance, extended warranties are all products designed to give banks an icing on their cake.

FooQueen 19 Aug 2008, 8:03am

I quite agree with bobbles31, if I can't pay it's the banks problem not mine.
I have just got a virgin card, and when asked why I didn't want PPI I just said 'because I'm not stupid'. End of!

xpi0t0s 19 Aug 2008, 8:14am

Sales droids are all programmed to answer any problems you might have, reducing your reasons to buy down to nothing so that you will buy the product. There's nothing wrong with that; you may genuinely feel that a particular reason prevents purchase and if they can explain why that's not in fact a problem and why the product helps you then you could both be happier with the sale. So whenever a sales droid asks me why I don't want something, I say "no reason" - that gives them nothing at all to go on and makes it clear my mind is made up. Yes, it might be considered rude, but they're only interested in you for your money anyway. Another answer I give when insurance droids want me to buy is to state I'm already covered, which in the case of PPI has the benefit of being completely true; check your benefits package and see what you've got, and what is REALLY covered by PPI (for example PPI only covers your minimum payments for a year, so there's no way PPI was ever designed to clear the debt, but my benefits package already provides cover for a year in the same circumstances covered by PPI.)

rowlystravel 19 Aug 2008, 8:56am

income protection not payment protection is the way forward. with the exception of a particularly large debt i would never recomment PPI whether POS of standalone

SiGl26 19 Aug 2008, 9:04am

Apply online; PPI is a check-box you deselect, job done. Or as Nancy Reagan put it 'Just say No', repeatedly.

karveller 19 Aug 2008, 9:07am

I've read a lot about the pressure to buy PPI, so was expecting the worst when I recently took out a credit card with Lloyds TSB. But they were great - it was they who told me that it was inappropriate for my circumstances. Brownie points for Lloyds!

fractalkid 19 Aug 2008, 9:13am

When applying for loans and credit cards, I am normally given the spiel about PPI. What I've learnt to do is ask them to send me a copy of the policy through the post, informing them that I am not willing to make a financial decision like that over the phone without seeing the policy first (which is sensible in my opinion considering how many exclusions companies put into the policies normally)! Guess what? I've never received a PPI policy through the post. It says to me that all the agent is interested in is their bonus! Very often they try using scare tactics like saying 'you'll only be able to start the policy now - once you start using the card you can't subsequently take out a policy'. Don't cave into them! Look for PPI elsewhere if you feel you need it.

imoscarsmum 19 Aug 2008, 10:49am

If they ask why you have refused PPI, simply laugh and tell them you like to live 'on the edge/take risks etc'. Daft I know but it always makes me smile when I say it! They rarely think of a reply to it.

Littlemog 19 Aug 2008, 11:41am

It's not necessarily bonuses, but the threat of disciplinaries on staff that don't sell enough PPI. Many companies, whether banks selling PPI or stores selling their 30% ripoff storecards, will give you 'councelling sessions' and written warnings if you don't hit your 'target' regardless of the customer's response.

I'm not saying buy the PPI for the sake of the advisor's job, but just don't take it out on them so much since their bosses will do it anyway.
It's probably better to write a complaint to the headoffice since the advisor can't do anything about the "sell, sell, sell!" policy on their own.

susancs 19 Aug 2008, 5:31pm

As regards identity theft/fraud protection, check whether your house insurance policy includes it (likewise cover for mobile phones). Our policies with RIAS offer help and an assigned counsellor in case of identity theft.

Raskwold 19 Aug 2008, 7:39pm

I tell them when asked if I want PPI no because I copy the phone number on the back of the card into my mobile phone.

mhep 20 Aug 2008, 7:36am

I agree with littlemog. As one who has been there and quit over it: the pressure on agents to sell PPI is tremendous. Daily calls to see if you hit target, and asked why not if you haven't been. The dy I left, I found out that the next day, theywere to sit me down and supervise me as I spoke to customers to find out why I wasn't able to sell PPI (I couldn't because I knew it was a ripoff). Very stressful. You are hired as a customer service rep, and find you are a bank slave in a very manipulative environment..both with the customers and the employees.

indyair 20 Aug 2008, 10:38pm

Well someone has to pay for Sir Dick's adventure into outer space. After all, his £3 billion personal wealth is'nt going to cover it?.

To much required on personal advertising, (for the BRAND, of course).

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