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Published in Your Money on 11 August 2008

Forget tradition. Here's how one form of car finance could halve the cost of buying a brand new car...

Back in February, I wrote about how the benefits of leasing a car could be more favourable than buying one.

I discussed the benefits of bypassing the traditional route of owning a car and choosing an option known as Personal Contract Hire (PCH) or Personal Contract Purchase (PCP) instead.

With both these options, instead of borrowing money to buy the car outright, you lease your desired model from the dealer for a set period of time.

Monthly repayments are determined by subtracting your deposit and the car's minimum guaranteed future value (how much it would be worth at the end of your contract), then dividing the remaining amount across your contract term.

Because a large portion of the loan payment is deferred to the end of the loan term -- or in many cases not paid at all, monthly payments are much lower than traditional forms of finance, as you are effectively only paying for the cost of the depreciation of the car.

Confused? Let's say, for example, the car was worth £22,000 when you bought it, and you put down a £2,000 deposit. Instead of borrowing the remaining £20,000 over three years, which would cost you £623.04 a month (and £2,429 in interest over the lifetime of the loan), you agree to sell it back to the car dealer for £12,000 in three years' time. This means you only need to borrow £8,000 (£20,000 minus £12,000). Your monthly payments should be much more affordable at £254.03 a month, and you'll pay just £1,144 interest on this debt over the lifetime of the loan.* 

The downside is that, at the end of the contract period, of course, you have to give back the car. But if you'd rather not, you can usually pay what’s known as a ‘balloon payment’, and keep it.

For more a more detailed explanation of the mechanics of PCP and PCH, read my article, Drive A Brand New Car For Less.

Boy...and girl racers

In truth, more dealers and brokers are offering PCP and PCH in addition to the traditional routes of hire purchase and bank loans.

The beauty of financing a car this way is that you’ll always know what you’ll be paying, when, and for how long. And as monthly payments are much lower than the traditional car finance loan, in many cases you can drive away a brand new car for only a few hundred pounds.

The other good news is that, with the option of being able to give the car back to the dealer at the end of the agreement, you won’t have to spend time trying to flog it on eBay or Auto Trader, and you eliminate the risk of being fleeced by a dealer trying to buy it from you for an ridiculously-low price.

But though driving a new car for an affordable price may sound good on paper, what are the potential pitfalls of doing so? Is it just throwing money down the drain, since you eventually have to hand back the car to the dealer?

Let’s do a comparison.

Here’s what it will cost you over three years to buy a £15,263 Audi A3 5dr hatchback using three different car financing methods: PCP, hire purchase and a personal loan**. 

Finance Type

PCP

Hire Purchase

Personal Loan

Deposit

£1,000

£1,000

£0

First Payment

£331

£589

£473.71

Then 34 Monthly Payments of

£271

£444

£473.71

Plus Final Payment

£7,533 (optional)

£519

£473.71

APR

8.9%

8.8%

7.6%

Total Price Paid

£10,545

£17,190

£17,053.56

Source: buyacar.co.uk and fool.co.uk

**Assuming an annual mileage of 10,000 miles.

In this example, financing your car using PCP works out about 40% cheaper than the traditional methods, coming in at just over half the monthly cost of a personal loan.

At the end of the 36 month term, you would have saved around £6,500 by opting for a PCP agreement over a personal loan.

The large difference in price is because with PCP/PCH, you’re effectively only paying ‘rent’ for using the car, whereas with hire purchase and a personal loan, you've bought the car outright. To do this, I've assumed you've had to borrow a larger loan, which naturally means your monthly payments are higher.

This makes PCP a good option for borrowers who cannot afford higher payments but it doesn't necessarily mean it is the best option overall.

To make a real comparison, the question you need to ask yourself is: if you sold the car after three years, are you 100% confident you would you be able to get more than the £6,500 for it? Remember the car was originally worth £15,263 and has 30,000 miles on the clock. 

The answer to this question determines which option you should go for. So I took a quick look on a few websites, including Auto Trader to see average asking prices for a three year old Audi A3. Most with a similar mileage were going for around £8,000, leaving the buyers better off by nearly £1,500.

Purchase Pitfalls

But what if you’re not able to sell the car? Unlike with PCH/PCP, you could be stuck with it, unable to purchase a newer model until you’ve got rid of the old one.  Besides, that £8,000 quoted is probably far higher than you’d get if you took your car to a dealer – unless you negotiated a good part exchange deal.

The reality is, PCH/PCP is undoubtedly more expensive than buying a car over the longer term. But if you want to drive a new car you might not ordinarily be able to afford every few years, without the hassle of MOTs and the comfort of knowing that you’re covered by the manufacturer's guarantee – plus have the peace of mind that at the end of the deal you can simply give the car back or exchange it for another, it’s a price that could be worth paying.

In addition, some brokers are able to offer generous discounts on certain lines because of deals struck with manufacturers, making the deal even more competitive than you’d get via traditional forms of finance.

There is also another plus point to PCH/PCP. Unlike houses, there’s only one way that the value of cars go once they are driven out of the showroom: down. (Unless, of course, you happen to own a rare or vintage car, but that's a whole other article.)

But with PCP/PCH, because the dealer has guaranteed to pay a certain price for your car, you no longer need to worry about its value depreciating unexpectedly. The risk that the car will be worth less than is currently expected in three years' time is now entirely the dealer's - you'll be offered the agreed price, no matter how low the car's actual value has fallen to.

Luxury Cars

For this reason, PCH/PCP also makes more sense for those wanting to buy cars with a higher residual value (usually more expensive models). The guaranteed future value on these cars remains resilient when compared to their cheaper rivals, hence reducing the amount you have to borrow during the term of your lease. This cuts down your monthly payments and your overall interest payments.

So, going back to my first example, if you want a £22,000 luxury car for three years, this could well be the way forward. If you only want a £15,000 Audi, however, it might not be.

Driving Down This Route

If you are still considering going down the PCP route, there are a few things you need to bear in mind.

1.) Know your mileage. If you underestimate, you will be penalised for every mile you go over should you exceed your estimation. Overestimate, and you could end up forking out more than you needed to.

2.) Choose a car you’re happy to drive for the term of your contract (usually three years). Once again, if you change your mind, there will be a big cancellation fee waiting to bite you in the posterior.

3.) Bear in mind the wear and tear rules. The car is not yours, so if it’s left damaged at the end of the agreement, it’s you who will have to fit the bill to get it fit for auction.

Personally, I have never dealt with a PCP company, so would be interested in any Fools who can recommend good and trustworthy brokers aside from the dealers themselves.

In addition, we are also hosting a Podcast on this very subject this month, with special guest Joe Pattinson from BMW Financial Services. It should be up later this month but if you've got any questions for either Joe or myself, please let me know, and I shall endeavour to be the Jeremy Paxman of Foolish Podcasting on the day (though I should add: don't hold your breath...)

* These calculations are based on the typical loan rates mentioned in the table for the Audi.

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chickenjools 12 Aug 2008, 6:29am

I got a very competitive PCP quote from a leasing company that I found on the internet for a new BMW. (They beat BMW's quote by £10k overall.) I took that quote to BMW and they matched it and threw in a couple of dealer extras. Although the contact at the Leasing company was very helpful I felt more comfortable dealing directly with my local BMW dealership.

rydinho 12 Aug 2008, 6:54am

Im looking at PCP at the moment . The most price competetive and no-nonsense site I've found is www.lingscars.com. The lady who runs the operation is a little crazy but the information available and prices are excellent.

zappahey 12 Aug 2008, 7:36am

Let's say, for example, the car was worth £22,000 when you bought it, and you put down a £2,000 deposit. Instead of borrowing the remaining £20,000 over three years, which would cost you £623.04 a month (and £2,429 in interest over the lifetime of the loan), you agree to sell it back to the car dealer for £12,000 in three years' time. This means you only need to borrow £8,000 (£20,000 minus £12,000). Your monthly payments should be much more affordable at £254.03 a month, and you'll pay just £1,144 interest on this debt over the lifetime of the loan.

I may be way off-beam but this doesn't look right to me. Surely you are paying interest on the full £20000 amount but only repaying the £8000 capital over 3 years?

zappahey 12 Aug 2008, 7:38am

Sorry, only the first, quoted paragraph should have been bold.

nyexin 12 Aug 2008, 7:58am

Interesting aticle, well put together. If however everybody stopped buying depreciating assests with borrowed money, would everyone's personal finance not be in a beter state now? Call me old Fashioned (at 27) but I have real issues with people who buy new when they dont have the cash to buu it all, or most of it.

motley222 12 Aug 2008, 8:10am

Excess mileage on PCP. Having used this system, spoken to others and done the sums, it seems that the excess mileage charge if you overdo it on PCP equates exactly to the monthly rate you would have paid if you had declared the higher mileage from the outset. It could be seen as a cunning way to defer the cost.

HenryScottTuke 12 Aug 2008, 8:17am

It's foolish to do this. Only purchase a car with cash, unless there is an interest free loan going. Paying cash means you can seach for the cheapest deal and haggle. But do you 'need' a new car or do you just 'want' one ? I've always bought second hand, and yes you have repair bills, but my last purchase was £680 and it costs me £150 per year in repairs/wear/tear. The interest on the leasing option above has already paid for this car and a few years repairs, and I am less worried about it being damaged or stolen. I have cheap insurance, just renewed for £73 third party fire and theft. I've had a few different makes over the year, but my current purchase is a Skoda. Yes, not an Audi or a Golf GTi ( although Voltswagen now produce the Skoda range ). But then again, i'm not young where image and looks matter, or someone that is keen to impress and display their wealth. It may be foolish to own a car in the first place, but between me and the 'new' car owner, who is the bigger fool ?

Blognorton 12 Aug 2008, 8:26am

This is all predicated on the sheer folly of having a new car every three years. This is the biggest and most stupid waste of capital anyone can make. These figures are nonsense if you buy new and keep for 10 years which, given the quality of build in most vehicles ( except the cheapest)these days is entirely feasible. On a ten year total write off the costs will be a lot lower than any of these, especally if you use the periods of debt free ownership to save up for a new one. Then you can do an entirely different set of calaculations to determine whether to pay cash or borrow against your rising investments. We buy 2 cars every 10 years or so and haven't, in real terms, had to pay anything for the last 4 because the money has been mamde on the stockmarket before purchase leaving the original capital saved in place.

pnharrison100 12 Aug 2008, 8:38am

Useful feature, but hang on! "you would have saved around £6,500 by opting for a PCP agreement"; This is not true.

Your comparison table omits that the PCP column results in no car being owned after 36 months. If you add the optional baloon payment to the PCP Total paid figure; (in order to make a fair comparison) the total is £18,078 - the most expensive route.

I'd agree that PCP has benefits:
= lower monthly payments initially - yes (at the expense of big baloon payment at the end)
= flexibility (take or leave the car at the end)
= certaintly of known payments and known notional value of car after 36 months.

But to suggest it is significantly cheaper overall by comparing apples and pears seems a touch foolish to me.

maddogmcguinness 12 Aug 2008, 8:39am

Your table shows that you pay £10,545 for the PCP, but what you fail to point out is that you have nothing to show for it, whereas in the other 2 scenarios you still own the car!

Also, the big danger of this contract is if you get into trouble with the payments, and have to give the car back, you still have to pay the remaining rentals (less a very small deduction) - and beleive me, they will chase you for years for payment, or take you to court meaning you end up with a CCJ - not good!

kasmac 12 Aug 2008, 8:56am

I drive a 5 series BMW (1996). With the addition of private plates nobody knows exactly what age it is! As it is pre March 2001, the road tax is £185. The funny thing is, I have heard many comments from people saying, how can she afford that? These are the same people that are continually in debt paying for cars...when one contract finishes they are into another. My car was purchased 3 years ago for £2,300 and has cost little on Maintenance, which doesnt need to be main dealer and as I am not protecting its warranty. My Insurance, fully comp is £220.

I have a friend that bought an expensive second hand car from a dealer, it was written off after a few months by an uninsured driver and her insurance company paid the "market value". Net result, she owed money on a car that she didnt have.

Yes it be nice to own a new car, but until I can afford to pay cash for one I am happy with my way.

PS, I am very grateful to people that do buy nice new cars, with leather and all the other nice things I currently enjoy!

yve001 12 Aug 2008, 9:06am

I work in a car dealership and organise funding if its required. I would only offer PCP agreements to customers who are planning to, or likely to change their car at the end of the agreement. The difference between the minimum guaranteed future value and the real worth of the car is "profit" which becomes the deposit for next car.
I always explain pros and cons of PCP

menaman74 12 Aug 2008, 9:08am

CAUTION! Zappahey, you are correct. You ARE effectively borrowing the total £20K difference, but you are splitting it up into a repayment and interest only loan (think of it like a mini mortgage with some of the loan being interest only). So, in this example the repayment part is based on £8K and the interest only on £12K. Assuming the same interest rate that the author has used (8.9%), then your monthly repayments would be £343.03, NOT £254.03 as quoted in the article. The author has made a schoolboy error in calculating her first example. She has only worked out the payments based on a repayment loan of £8K. Do you really think the dealer/finance company are just going to forget about the £12K future payment for 3 years??? Unless of course, I am not in full possession of the facts and the dealer is giving you 0% on the final payment amount (but I doubt that)? For clarity, the PCP example in the table for the Audi A3 is correct. I am assuming because it was lifted directly from buyacar.com

yve001 12 Aug 2008, 9:13am

Sorry, was still typing and posted too soon, As I said the customer is always aware of pros and cons of this type of agreement and in my 5 yrs experience most have repeated the choice on the second visit.
Mileage is only charged if handing the car back at the end of the agreement, in my experience the least popular of the 3 options at the end of the agreement. If customer is keeping the car or part exchanging it then the mileage is of no real importance. Hope this helps!

loocyloo 12 Aug 2008, 9:25am

we bought a second hand car from a dealer 6 mths ago. we didn't go for the PCP option, because, at the end of the day, we are not planning to replace this car! we found a very good personal loan, which was then matched by the dealer, along with a couple of extras. costing us the same as the PCP, but the car is ours!

GrahamMiller0 12 Aug 2008, 9:28am

I'm with the posters who point out quite correctly that a new car every three years is the action of a fool, not a Fool.
You ONLY get value from a car by running it for a much longer period.

yve001 12 Aug 2008, 9:37am

Glad to see loocyloo had the correct advise, hopefully from the dealership. Too often customers can be pushed into PCP with out being aware of all the poss drawbacks

MrPound 12 Aug 2008, 9:38am

Agree with Blognorton. Changing your new car for another new car every 3 years is possibly the biggest waste of money of any purchase in this country. If could just about afford to do this if I really pushed it but why? I don't see the need to have the latest/smartest/premium mark car but I do have a 1.6 51 plate car with CD, A/C, 5 doors and it can fit the pushchair in the boot! Just what I want. I bought this 4 years ago for £5K and it is now worth £2K. Depreciation of £750/year, now paid off the loan I got to buy it (3yrs @ 4.9%) and it costs around £250/year to maintain. A brand new version of my car would depreciate by much more every year, and the manufacturers warranties are often much more costly than paying for the maintainance yourself - especially if you have to go to the main dealer for your annual service. With MOT's costing around £40 you're not really saving anything by not having to pay for one just because your car is <3years old.
I intend to keep this car for another 2 years. I am putting away what I used to pay off the loan for (£150/month) so that by then I should be able to buy another £5K car with cash.

carfinanceman 12 Aug 2008, 9:57am

Oh dear, if only life were that straight forward! Every year millions of pounds are given away by manufacturers to leasing companies in order to push individual models but the car has to be financed on either a business or personal contract hire as no one actually sees the price paid for the vehicle (which could affect the lucrative used car market), they are just quoted a rental figure. This can make the costs compared to purchase incredibly cheap. As an example there were recently some Renault Lagunas (top of the range) with a retail price of £20,010 sold to leasing companies for £11,595 then put on a contract hire for a very low rental. So you see buying used for cash is not always best (but it can be). As for the structure of a PCP, think of it as two loans. The first part, £8,000 (ie £20,000 down to £12,000) is a standard repayment loan. In other words all the capital and interest is paid. The balance of £12,000 is an interest only loan so you just pay the interest charges on the £12,000 which you can either pay at the end of the period to own the car or in what is actually a seperate but linked agreement someoene else (not necessarily the leasing company) pays off the debt and takes title to the car. So the figures in the example are flawed as you will always pay more interest in a PCP than you would in a straight, full payout HP. I hope this helps, for more info I have a book available to download, entitled 'An Insider Guide To Car Finance'. Remember cash is only the best form of finance if firstly it gets you the best package inluding the cost of the car and you personal circumstances do not leave you short of cash for emergencies.

tomspaul 12 Aug 2008, 10:00am

I'm sorry but this article is inaccurate and really quite misleading. As someone has conmmented, monthly lease payments may be lower but you don't own the car at the end. The HP route means that you end up owning an asset. We must not try to compare apples and bananas.
Furthermore it is total nonsense to say that luxury cars hold their value better. Depreciation on an S Clas or a Seven Series is near-vertical - a friend has just bought his 2 year old Seven, £55,000 new and leased on a 24 month contract, from the lease company for £19,000. The car is almost new! These cars can sometimes be had on promotional deals at sensible money but otherwise perhaps the right time and price was actually the 2 years/£19,000. Bought new he'd have lost and eye-watering £36,000 over 2 years!

TummyBanana 12 Aug 2008, 10:03am

As a director for a company that purchases over 7 vehicles a year, we are constantly bombarded with companies offering better ways of paying for them. When you buy a car the deal is between you and the dealer, if you involve another party, be it finance company ,bank of leasing agent, there is no way it can be cheaper,(unless this other party is doing it for love) we may be Fools but Cash is King
TB

JasKing1 12 Aug 2008, 10:11am

Saving £271 for 34 months at 6% interest (before tax/in an isa) would give a tidy sum of £10,000 towards a new car. Increasing this to £300 a month would give £11,000. Saving $400 a month would give tidy sum of £14,784! (Two ISA allowances needed).

£300 a month for 3 years (36 months) gives £11,800. I'm not sure what kind of discount you can get when paying cash, let's say 5%? That would boost the savings to an effective
£12,390!

We are currently 16months into our "plan", so hopefully our faithful 02-Clio (payed off in 2006 via an 0%interest free deal over 4 years) will make us proud for a while longer.

If we're lucky, an 0% deal will be around again when we buy allowing us to keep the majority of our savings gaining interest at approx £40 a month. This will then go towards insurance/tax/MOT/servicing as those costs arise.

This is the cheapest way for us to get + own a new car!

Jason

JasKing1 12 Aug 2008, 10:13am

Oops $400 -> £400 :)

TummyBanana 12 Aug 2008, 10:14am

PCP is not unlike the old TV rental shops of yesteryear, where you paid a monthly rent for your TV and then were able to replace it after a set period (now I am showing my age)

One good thing about PCP is that it keeps the market flooded with good quality second hand cars, making driving cheaper for those that are content with buying second hand,
TB

WindyMillers 12 Aug 2008, 10:30am

Following your article in Feb I did a detailed analysis of how much money we'd spent maintaining, servicing and running our 10 year old Saab over the course of 2 years and 15k miles p.a. vs the cost of leasing a new car on the same basis. This particular Saab has been very reliable and expenses have been less than other second-hand cars we have owned. Even with that factor incorporated, and including all expenses, the monthly cost on a lease was lower for a new car with the added advantage that the costs are fixed and predictable.

Additionally, I've know so many people who have "middle-aged" cars between 3-5 years who have had to pay out on major repairs costing £000's because the equity they have tied up in the car means they can't just chuck them away.

So, my recommendation for families that need more than 1 car: go for a leased new one for the donkey work and an ultra old throwaway job as a runabout.

For wealthy cash buyers paying cash for new cars, given the alternatives for investing your money: ISAs, cheap banking shares for more risk-comfortable types; you're probably better off putting your money into that than spending it on a car.

I can recommend Lings cars as an excellent Lease broker: service was outstanding, friendly and as advertised. The recently arrived leased car is great and we are very happy with the whole deal!

merytsekhmet 12 Aug 2008, 10:35am

This option would only come into consideration for people who lead very predictable lives. I have no idea in advance of how many miles I will drive from year to year. Some years I might do 8000-10000, other years 15000+, depending on how often I attend interesting events far away from home.
My other concern would be about potential penalties imposed for any scrapes, spillage on seats, etc. when it comes to handing the car back.

Foolof2008 12 Aug 2008, 10:39am

The responses to the article are all well and good when you are a private motorist with money to spend on a car and complete freedom of choice.
There is a growing band, myself included, who are company-funded drivers where a car is an essential tool. Under these circumstances, companies often specify the type of vehicle, its age and its engine, and this can put suitable vehicles beyond the normal reach of the employee.
It is under these circumstances that PCP and PCH schemes win hands down. Without a bundle of cash in the bank to buy a car, I found it worked out a lot cheaper to get a new car on PCP than to buy a one year old family saloon on a loan. The new car was discounted, the PCP is through the manufacturer rather than a 3rd party and a PCH plan can also include all the maintenance and tyres. The car is also under full manufacturers warranty throughout the life of the deal.
As for the value of a purchased family saloon after 3 years - bear in mind it would be of little value and virtually unsaleable, being at that point 4 years old and over 100,000 miles.
So for me and many others in a similar position, PCP is the only way to go

TummyBanana 12 Aug 2008, 10:42am

reply to windymiller
You are comparing buying a second hand car with the best way of buying an new car. not a good comparison

Ask yourself who is paying for Lings offices and the wages of their employees er.. let me think… It's You !!

leasing is just another way of getting a car you can't afford

how can it be cheaper than buying cash

FunkyMunxx 12 Aug 2008, 11:05am

I agree that this article is not comparing Apples with Apples, but I am leasing a car and I think it's an excellent way of driving something you couldn't otherwise afford. You can also get some great deals if you're prepared to be flexible. I used www.LeaseCarsDirect.co.uk and they were really good. It's also true that you usually don't get stung if you go over the specified mileage, on my deal an extra 1000 miles agreed up front came in at almost exactly the same cost as if I went over by 1000 miles.

imoscarsmum 12 Aug 2008, 12:18pm

Whether to use PCP or not, it all depends on your circumstances. Many people only need a little runaround and do less that 10k miles a year, so fine, brand new car not needed. But if like my partner and I, you do in excess of 25k per annum and need a car that is reliable, comfortable over long distances (ie motorway), then new or nearly new is essential. I do most of my miles alone and I am female, so regluarly breaking down would not be good! I choose PCP as it gives me peace of mind so I can focus on other more important things like earning a salary.
Incidentally, if you're planning to use the car as a deposit on a new one after 3 years, you don't need to worry about excess mileage. Ford advised us to go for 12,000 miles per annum, even though we're going to be way in excess of that, as the excess mileage is only charged if you hand the car back and walk away. If you use the old car to get another new car, mileage is irrelevant.

doodysmooth 12 Aug 2008, 12:30pm

Having bought new cars every two-three years for the past 30 years, I found myself with three and a half thousend pounds worth of equity. Not a lot when you consider what I must have spent. So ten months ago I decided to use my equity as a deposit on a BMW with a PCH BMW scheme, I was very reluctant at first and I still don't know if I did the right thing, what I do know is that having bought cars new cars for so many years I never, ever really owned any of them or made any or very little profit.

WindyMillers 12 Aug 2008, 12:30pm

Just a quick illustration of how leasing could be cheaper than cash for tummybanana

Let's say that your 7 vehicles cost your company £100k to buy in cash. If you didn't buy the cars and otherwise invested that cash into an account with a 5% annual return, then the yield would £15.7k over 3 years. There are better investments probably, but we'll stick with this for the illustration. This £15.7k needs to be included as it's earnings you are losing by putting your cash into the vehicles, rather than investing:

Cash purchase 7 vehicles, sold after 3 years based on retained value of 30%:

Depreciation: £70k
Lost investment yield £15.7k
Road Tax for 7 vehicles: £3780 (based on £180 a year)

Total cost to your company: £89480

Leasing 7 vehicles at £250 each per month, total for 3 years: £63000

Tax is included in leasing, you can also include maintenance, but have left this out of both equations.

In this instance leasing proves to be £26480 cheaper over 3 years vs cash. I've used a mid-range Ford Mondeo as an example for the various costs.

andysuth 12 Aug 2008, 12:32pm

More people should buy cars like this, then people like me can wait until they've devalued and still have good milage left in them and buy then.

I bought a 8 year old Audi A4, 89k on clock for £2,500. It's presently worth about £2,100.

My collegue bought a three year old BMW for £11k, last year, it's now worth £7.5k.

The Audi will be good until 195k minimum.

Do the maths, mine gets twice the MPG, looks OK and sits a small family like mine reasonably comfortable, if required it could "probably" do over a ton easily, but of course I wouldn't know.

Strebor19 12 Aug 2008, 12:40pm

This Article contains lots inaccuracies that have been pointed out by many of the other posts so far. All I can say is thank god for all those people that buy new cars and pay the depreciation and APR's, as in my 20 years of Driving it has enabled me to buy very reasonably priced second hand Executive cars which i drive for 2 years and 25000 miles then sell on for virtually no depreciation. I have never once had a loan for a car, only ever paying cash, normally a private deal. I always do my own maintenance, and have only ever broken down once. Despite a modest income have managed to secure a very good lifestyle and driven executive cars continually. So please everyone continue to buy new cars of the highest specification by what ever means you can, this will help me continue to live in the Manor to which i have become accustomed! I personally avoid APR's of any description, that is the only advice the Fool should be offering, especially when it is inaccurate like this article.

meronzouk 12 Aug 2008, 1:50pm

Another route is one I used for my last car.A 7 months old ex demonstrator with 4000 mls. New price £15700. I paid £11700 cash so saving £4000 of depreciation and retaining 29 monthe warranty + Europe Assist + extra trim goodies. Not the cheapest way to motor but superior to buying new.

hungary 12 Aug 2008, 2:03pm

I bought a car like that, but went over my mileage limit, and was so worried I ended up buying the car at the end - which I did not plan on doing- as the mileage cost was high. I then part -exchanged the car for my -then- new Citroen Saxo, which is now 8 y.o., utterly reliable and efficient and has been wonderful. I never want a big car again!

martin71 12 Aug 2008, 2:15pm

There is a surprising number of unwarranted negative comments on this article. Several posters have said that the article fails to mention that this route doesn't lead to owning the car - but there are two places where the writer has said that explicitly! The pros and cons are well set out.

She also points out that it is not the cheapest option available. Since most people do not have on hand the several thousand pounds that it costs to buy a car (new or used), we usually go for some kind of finance option. This article does a good job of looking at some aspects of an option that is not always considered, but may be of use to people in some specific circumstances, such as those with restricted cashflow or limited mechanical confidence.

bryanblessed 12 Aug 2008, 3:02pm

I'm really intrigued by all of this as I'm currently struggling to raise finances to buy a car. I do own a family car (well the bank owns approx half of it) that "the missus" uses most of the time. I need to buy a car as I'm nearly fully qualified as a driving instructor. Can anyone offer some helpful advice as to whether this PCP would be of benefit (or even feasible) to keep my costs down for the first three years? I'll be out of pocket anyway with advertising and signs etc....

tizzchick29 12 Aug 2008, 6:43pm

You'd probably be better to do a strightforward business lease - then (assuming that you're self-employed) you can write off all the monthly rental against your tax liability - provided you only use it for business. If you choose pcp you can only claim the interest component of the repayments (which as I round to my cost!)is not actually that much!!Then you claim a proportion of the car's value as a 'capital' allowance. HMRC do some fantastic, local, free workshops that explain what you can claim back.
Hope this helps

tizzchick29 12 Aug 2008, 6:44pm

oops 'found to my cost'

Adelphi1968 12 Aug 2008, 9:09pm

I have a sister who always buys her cars this way but to my mind she is always in debt for a car which which she will never own which is fine if you continually have spare cash every month that you can throw away. I part-exed my previous (4 yr old) Ford Fiesta 10 years ago for a Ford Fiesta Ghia and have never regretted it. It was ex-demo with 2000 miles on the clock and I put the £4,000 from the old car towards the £8,000 cost at the time. I am a low mileage user so maintenance costs have been minimal, approx. £200 per year and as insurance cost has decreased over the 10 years also it has cost me a total of approx. £1000 pa to run which is not bad as I still have my car to sell before buying another. As I have only done 28,000 miles it makes sense for me to run it into the ground as second hand it would not be worth much.

I don't believe in going into debt for cars as car loans I would consider are a luxury item. The only important debt you need if you have to have one is your mortgage. If you lose your job a car loan is one debt you can do without and is money you would desperately need to pay your mortage.

I can however understand people who work for themselves and have high paid jobs and cover a lot of miles going down this route. For low usage moderate income families I believe this is an expensive option.

MILLETGIRL 12 Aug 2008, 10:17pm

I couldn't begin to contemplate spending £2k on a car let alone £22K, my limit is £500. I expect the car to last about 5 months anything more is a bonus then when it packs in or fails its mot I sell it on as spares or repairs. The last one with the head gasket blown I sold for £386 after I had run it for 13 months. I do about 12000 mpa. Its a bit of a roller coaster and yes I have bought donkeys like the automatic that wouldn't click over to fourth gear so I drove for the 6 months remaining on its mot in 3rd.
Fully comp costs after cashback £179pa and at worst I look at losing £400pa with depreciation. My car might be a beaten up old banger but it is my fully paid for beaten up old banger.

bob1023 12 Aug 2008, 10:23pm

I spent ten years managing a personal car leasing scheme so i know a little about the costs of the various ways of acquiring cars.
Very few people know what their cars cost. The two items most frequently missed are depreciation and the lost opportunity of investing.
Personal leasing may be useful for anyone who claims business mileage for driving their own car; for the rest of us it’s not a good method of finance.
One point that I haven’t seen mentioned is the question of damage at the end of the contract. It usually says that anything more than “normal” wear and tear will have to be paid for, and this can result in a considerable charge at termination.

samsamani 14 Aug 2008, 2:17pm

I think alot of todays society (esp my generation of ppl) dont have anything instilled in respect of saving for things...
we have been brought up in a "must have now" environment and that includes me!
I own a 1.2 polo and it costs me £200 a month with a balloon payment of £4k that I owe in march 2009.. at present I am sevrely stumped on what to do as I already have existing debts and personally dont want to add to them with getting a new car or adding to my loan however I dont have the means of saving 4k in a matter of months!!
in hindsight i should have started saving ages ago but that ship has sailed...
all these posts have just told me what i already know, its better to buy with money but only a Fool wouldnt NOT know that!
so I think this article helps ppl like me find other soluctions.

bobfruit 15 Aug 2008, 8:39am

MILLETGIRL: can you give us a rough idea of where you live, so we can avoid the unsafe, old bangers you're driving? ;oP

patrickfarley 20 Aug 2008, 5:58pm

The following is taken directly from the Article, (the table and paragraphs below:

Finance Type PCP HP PersonalLoan

Total Price Paid: £10,545 £17,190 £17,053.56

'In this example, financing your car using PCP works out about 40% cheaper than the traditional methods, coming in at just over half the monthly cost of a personal loan.

At the end of the 36 month term, you would have saved around £6,500 by opting for a PCP agreement over a personal loan.'

This is clearly factual WRONG!

It isn't 40% cheaper, because they have failed include the final payment for the car. And just saying you can give the car back, and not make the payment, means you no longer have the car.

SO IT'S NOT 40% CHEAPER.

Personally I'm disgusted by the journalism on this article. I would have expected a lot more accuracy from the FOOL. If the journalist who wrote this is new, or in-experienced, then the editor that let this through should be shot.

Is Motley Fool going to apologise, and change the article, before people that don't read the comments section actually believe the article.

Personally I shall be checking the maths on any future articles before I believe the Fool again.

Patrick.

ZuluTango 03 Sep 2008, 8:12pm

Three years of worry free motoring sounds good to me. But then I am in my seventies.

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