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Fight Back Against Unfair Fines!

Cliff D'Arcy
By Cliff D'Arcy | 18 July 2008

As a revolutionary communist, I strongly believe that all money-lending is theft from workers by capitalist banks. Hence, I urge all men and women to rise up and smash this corrupt system!

I’m kidding, of course. In truth, my personal politics are decidedly moderate, plus I'm a shareholder in big bank HBOS. Then again, it really annoys me when banks and other financial firms penalise customers so heavily for their mistakes. However, when the boot’s on the other foot, these companies are quick to deny responsibility and routinely refuse to pay out compensation when they mess up.

Thus, if you’ve got a grievance, then don’t get mad, get even. Here are five ways to fight back against bullying banks:

1. Recover unauthorised overdraft charges

If you go overdrawn without permission, exceed your overdraft limit, or ‘bounce’ payments from your current account, then your bank will punish you for your mistake. You can expect to pay up to £40 per slip-up, even if your unauthorised borrowing is just a few pounds. However, the Office of Fair Trading (OFT) believes that these punitive charges are unfair, so it has taken legal action against eight banks and building societies.

Of course, this court case will run and run, as I warned in Bad News For Banks And Borrowers. Nevertheless, a general ‘statute of limitation’ in English law means that you can go back six years when attempting to reclaim these charges. So, if you’ve been fined for unauthorised borrowing at any point since late July 2002, submit a claim now in writing. Then, when the OFT finally wins its case, you’ll already be in the queue for compensation.

2. Claim back credit-card fines

The same goes for fines levied by credit cards, although the outcome here is much more clear-cut. Until two years ago, most credit-card issuers would charge fines of £20 to £30 for bounced, late or missed payments, or for exceeding your credit limit. However, in April 2006, the OFT decided that these penalty charges were unfair. In response to this ruling, card issuers reduced their charges to no more than £12 a time.

Again, if you’ve been fined by your credit-card company at any point in the past six years, then apply for a refund. Don’t be fobbed off with excuses, as many card issuers falsely claim that these refunds are, like bank-charge claims, on hold for the duration of the above court case. Also, demand full repayment of each fine -- don’t allow your card issuer to pay only the difference between your fine and the ‘fair’ (!) fee of £12.

3. Recoup mortgage exit arrangement fees

When I bought my first home in December 1992, I took out a mortgage with Abbey National (now Abbey, part of Santander Group). My mortgage contract included a fee of £50 to be paid when I redeemed my home loan. However, when I paid off this mortgage in April 2005, Abbey charged me a fee of £225, or 4½ times as much.

Clearly, this massive ‘fee inflation’ is unfair and, in January 2007, the Financial Services Authority (FSA) agreed. So, if you have been charged a mortgage exit arrangement fee greater than that stipulated in your contract, then demand a refund from your mortgage lender. From feedback I've had from Fool readers, this is a fairly straightforward battle to win.

4. Demand mis-selling compensation

In my 21 years in financial-services, I’ve seen enough mis-selling scandals to last a lifetime. Off the top of my head, I can recall regulatory failures, mis-selling problems, FSA fines and compensation payouts to the public regarding (in alphabetical order):

  • business bank accounts;
  • Equitable Life;
  • extended warranties;
  • free-standing additional voluntary contributions (extra pensions);
  • guaranteed equity bonds;
  • hamper firm Farepak;
  • high-income ‘precipice’ bonds;
  • home-income plans (investment mortgages in the Eighties and Nineties);
  • maximum investment plans;
  • mortgage endowments;
  • payment protection insurance;
  • personal pensions;
  • secured loans (second mortgages);
  • split-capital investment trusts; and
  • store cards.

There are fifteen scandals in the above list, but perhaps the most significant is the widespread mis-selling of mortgage endowment policies. Indeed, the possible shortfall from these failing part-insurance/part-investment policies could exceed £50 billion. However, in Is Your Endowment A Letdown?, I listed five ways to tackle a failing mortgage endowment, one of which is sure to work for you.

5. Don’t forget to charge for your time

In more than 5½ years as a Fool writer, I’ve helped many readers to claim compensation for financial losses caused by poor advice. One thing I always insist on is that your calculations should include amounts for inconvenience, distress and time wasted. So, if your bank charges you £35 for a computer-generated letter, return the favour by charging a similar sum for each of your notes. Fair’s fair, tit for tat, and quid pro quo, as they say!

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Comments

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At 12:20 on July 18 2008, CunningCliff said:

Dear Fool readers,

If you can add any wide-scale scandals to the fifteen listed above, please do so below. Thanks!

Cliff

At 13:06 on July 18 2008, rowlystravel said:

with profit bonds where MVA was not disclosed Bradford and Bingley were one of the big drivers of these

At 13:28 on July 18 2008, ruisliprabbitt said:

"You can expect to pay up to £40 per slip-up, even if your unauthorised borrowing is just a few pounds."
Cliff has chosen (yet again) to miss the point. The charge has nothing to do with how much you exceed your overdraft limit by but the fact that you do, and in so doing you are in breach of your contract with the bank.

RR

At 13:34 on July 18 2008, Enzyme76 said:

My bank charged me the other month 2 x £25.

The fact that I went overdrawn I would say was becuse of them.
Becuse my sanding order from one account to another (same bank) fell on a weekend they did not take the money out until the monday.

Fine you think, but I had a direct debit and a standing order going out on the monday.

To confuse matter further, they consider debits first before adding in credits.
So on that monday they took off the standing order and the DD, therfore making me over drawn, they then added back the credit (from another account in the same bank) which was a set standing order that should have gone on the saturday.

It is just a con!

£ weeks later after complaing to them they have not sorted it.

At 14:16 on July 18 2008, littlecath said:

Can anything be done about car insurance policy cancellation charges? Losing more than 25% of your premium plus a hefty "administration" fee if you cancel after only a month or two on cover, or getting no refund at all if you cancel in the last 2 months seems like a rip off to me. They even charge you a fee to reprint your form if you move house.

At 15:24 on July 20 2008, hannahboo2 said:

hi, im new, i just would like to say that i too, have been hit with 2x£25 bank charges, i went over drawn by 50 pence, and the bank didnt even notify me, for 6 weeks, i had no statements either, i eventually found out after i went in to my branch and they told me, so as you can imagine i was over drawn, and every direct debit that came in over six weeks , got me a £25 charge, i ended up with 6x25 pound charges, i was fuming with the bank, and rang head office teeling them, that i wasnt aware of any of this going on as i hadnt recieved any letters or statements for the last 2 months, anyway the gentleman did wave the fees for me, so i said also while i am on the phone can you cancel my abbey insurance direct debit,so he did that, anyway the crafty sods, i have just had my statement in for the last month and they, tried to take my payment from my account for the abbey insurance which has now given me another charge of 25 pound this was on the 2nd june, and i have only found out about this in my statement,yet again, so any direct debits, ive had in between then and now will incur me more charges, ive rang the head office and said we are taking the money out on 24th july, we have to give you 22 days notice, i said well i never knew about this until today (which was the 17th july) they are so crafty as that is not 22 days notice, and they keep saying i should of had a letter but i didnt get one, so where do i stand? can i get my charges waved again? can someone email me please.........hannahboo70@yahoo.co.uk. any advice would be most welcome. thankyou in advance.

At 08:27 on July 21 2008, 22alexandra said:

Here's a problem .
My wife received a letter from a debt collecting agency saying she owed the Nat West £479.00 from over six years ago . They the debt collectors said if she din't pay up she was likely to go to Court & face quadruple interest on this debt . Like many vulnerable people she immediately paid this debt via a credit card. After i blew my stack with her & told her to at least have waited till i came home from work to discuss this matter , i delved deeper into this debt.
It now seems that somebody had filled a direct debit form with her name & bank details & had been paying an animal sanctuary twelve pounds a month for over a year until the bank stopped the debit . The bank sent a letter to our old address after we had been moved for over a year then & then added interest over the next four or five years which had amassed to £359.00 plus the payments already paid which now resulted in a bill of £479.00.
She went to the bank & they told her to hold payment as this obviously belonged to the fraud dept , but by then she had already paid. Weeks have passed now & the credit cards after their money , have paid one installment & the bank seems to have cooled on their investigation . Where do we stand with this debt ?.
Alexandra

At 08:39 on July 21 2008, laalaa41 said:

When you buy a a product or service, you are protected by law so that if what you have paid for is not "what it says on the tin" - you get your money back. If a bank fails to protect your money from unauthorised or wrongly dated debits, you should be protected against being charged. End of. All this talk of "contracts" - an individual contracts to pay on a certain date - not before.

At 08:56 on July 21 2008, mcr82 said:

littlecath - I have always paid for my car insurance monthly. That way if you want to cancel it you simply tell them and then stop the direct debits yourself. You might pay a small amount in interest but at least you're not stung with an outrageous admin fee.

The worst scam I encountered with car insurance was when my girlfriend had an accident shortly after renewing her policy. The company simply cancelled the policy after paying out and made her take out a whole new one - so rather than insuring her for the full 12 months as you agree when you take out the policy she was actually charged a full years premium for less than 2 months insurance! What's worse, this is apparently commonplace amongst the industry?!?!?! Surely 12 months insurance should mean exactly that? How are the insurance companies allowed to get away with this?

At 08:57 on July 21 2008, Gary1701 said:

I've been charged a hefty fee when I've gone over my agreed overdraft limit with First Direct. On every occasion I've written a polite email saying that I think the fee is rather excessive and every time I've had a full refund - i.e. I've not been charged at all. So it's worth trying that route first (or change banks :)

At 09:06 on July 21 2008, kunji78 said:

One thing that I really hate is when credit card companies change the due date for a statement without telling you - surely there is some law that should prevent them from doing this without prior authorisation from the card user. I have had this happen several times - luckly I have kicked up a fuss everytime and managed to get the fines and interest refunded.

At 09:25 on July 21 2008, TREVELYNGOLF said:

My daughter hasd taken out an extended insurance on a washing machine (3 years). In the first year of the extension she had a problem and the machine was changed but the insurance ceased as they said that as she has made a claim it is now cancelled even though she had 2.5 years payment left.
We dont go for these any more-Yes I have read your advice in this excellent "FOOLS".

At 09:26 on July 21 2008, ajfish said:

The banks all seem to be from the same money grabbing pool. When I read the first Fool guide on getting charges back I passed on the advice to a friend of mine who is particulary hard up for cash (single mother) and was always being charged an extortinate amount for being a few pence overdrawn. She used the Fool's own template letter... and got charged £10 for the production of bank statements going back 6 years. The worst of this is that they didn't even inform her that this was to happen, just went ahead a debited the money from her account. I said she needs to write back and ask them to refund this and point out that (as in point 5 in this article) that she will be charging for her time. AJ

At 09:33 on July 21 2008, Jaybooze said:

Why does the six year statute of limitation apply to bank charge reclamation when it has been abolished in criminal charges,ie,murder,rape,child abuse,etc.Jerry

At 09:45 on July 21 2008, Dinamite13 said:

Is it possible to ask for copies of old credit card statements prior to 2005?....Although my husband cleared the debt on these 3 years ago and stopped using the card he had incurred huge penalties for the 3 years prior to 2005.

At 09:55 on July 21 2008, ss770640 said:

after a serious injury, i complained about the mortage exit fee of £1500 for having to move house. i managed to get £700 back after kicking it up the management ladder. writing to your bank and requesting freedom of information + £5 charge will get you all your bank statements you need. standard templates are available online

At 09:56 on July 21 2008, Dinamite13 said:

My husband used our barclays debit card to buy four hundred pounds worth of dollars from the post office, the following week he changed another £150 into dollars at the post office...when I checked my current account a few days ago, which is well in credit, our friendly, helpful bank had charged us £7.61 for the pleasure!! He could have so easily taken the money out of the hole in the wall but for convenience sake used the debit card. When he queried this at the bank he was told 'it's in the small print'...I'm disgusted, needless to say when I return from holidays I will be changing banks...

At 10:15 on July 21 2008, sam3691 said:

Does anyone know where you stand with reclaiming bankcharges if you have been made bankrupt? It was massive bank charges that forced me into bankruptcy, I am now discharged but wondered if I could reclaim the charges.

At 10:41 on July 21 2008, demolalove said:

I have been unfairly charged number of times by my bank. You said we should 'submit a calim in writing' who should I submit a claim to....is it my bank or OFT. thanks

At 10:43 on July 21 2008, dsc171 said:

bankruptcy has nothing to do with it the money was urs.if they are gonna be funny theyl issue ur repayments to your aib whol charge u to give u it baas for suing the bank you are onto a loser

At 10:45 on July 21 2008, Iniq said:

One small detail if you ever claim money through the small claims court (which I have done, sucessfully, more than once):

If you are claiming a specific sum of money, the defendant (that is, the person you are caliming from) can apply to have the hearing (if it ever gets that far - unlikely, usually) tranfered to THEIR nearest court, which might be at the other end of the country.

Due to an odd quirk of the law, however, if any part of your claim is for an UNSPECIFIED sum, they cannot do that and any hearing has to be held at your local court if that is where you made your claim.

So the advice is to claim for xxx pounds (where you can prove that they owe you a specific sum) PLUS a further sum "to be determined by the court" as payment for "stress and inconvenience".

You are very unlikely to get this extra sum, but that is not the point. Such an additional claim will prevent the case from being tranferred away from your local court.

Also, in rejecting that part of your claim, the court may be happy because "it will have been seen to be fair" in that it will appear to have given something to each side - even though, in fact, you will have got everything you wanted and expected.

Just a detail - and only applicable to the small claims court, not general claims for compensation.

At 10:59 on July 21 2008, robbo13 said:

TREVELYNGOLF
4 YEARS AGO I BOUGHT A WASHER FROM COMET THAT BROKE DOWN TERMINALLY AFTER 2 YEARS. I HAD AN INSURANCE ON THAT. THEY REPLACED THE THE WASHER AND GAVE ME A FURTHER 3 YEAR INSURANCE COVER ON THE NEW MACHINE FREE OF CHARGE.

At 11:49 on July 21 2008, quantem said:

I have received penalty charges from Egg card recently of £16, they insist that they have permission to charge this not £12 which I thought was the limit.
Is this correct?

At 11:59 on July 21 2008, peediekate said:

Enzyme 76, if you're transferring money between accounts with the same bank, there should be a direct transfer option which would be instant. If you use the standing order option it takes 3 days regardless of accounts being with the same bank.

At 12:01 on July 21 2008, Delta112 said:

Mcr82 wrote:
"littlecath - I have always paid for my car insurance monthly. That way if you want to cancel it you simply tell them and then stop the direct debits yourself. You might pay a small amount in interest but at least you're not stung with an outrageous admin fee."

Thanks for the advice, but unfortunately that doesn't always work. I cancelled my car insurance after about 5 months, when my car was stolen, but the Broker at first insisted on my still paying insurance for the remainder of the year, following my prompt cancelling of the direct debits. Eventually the insurance company agreed with me. But the broker are being difficult and have sent me a bill for one month's instalment as cancellation (that bit is fiar enough), a £45 "cancellation fee" (that is wrong, anyway, as on my policy it says £35), the whole rest of the year for breakdown (which I never used and didn't even remember signing up for, but I must have reluctantly agreed), and the whole rest of the year for "legal protection", so they've asked me to settle the "outstanding" balance of £143. Can I do anything about this? Thanks.

At 12:31 on July 21 2008, mcr82 said:

Delta - Personally i'd tell the brokers to go whistle for it TBH. They just want to try and protect as much of their commission as possible. The charges for legal protection cover are extortionate and the whole policy costs a couple of quid on any policy but is typically sold for about £25 (taken from a previous TMF article actually) so scrub that one off the list. If you didn't use / want the breakdown cover you were probably mis-sold it so threaten to take them to the FSA... If the cancellation fee is in the contract then there's probably not a great deal you can do about that but i'd imagine they'll back down and let you off as a gesture of goodwill when threatened by the FSA. Nothing wrong with playing a bit of hardball with them ;)

At 14:24 on July 21 2008, lardaholics said:

Scandals? How about Ryan Air and their grubby, deceptive charging model. How about their punitive administration charges which enables them to keep the tax paid on flights rather than refund them as the law requests?

Not just Ryan Air of course, but they are the worst and most notorious example of shocking business practice I can think of.

At 19:07 on July 21 2008, rcolemanuk said:

Or how about keeping a proper eye on your accounts and when your bills are due. I don't mean to sound hypocritical but it sounds like people are looking for someone to blame for their own inability to watch their accounts.

I recently have been hit with a very large unexpected payout (namely in the form of having to get a new car). This has pushed me right to the edge of my limits money wise. It would be easy for me to go into the red start getting charges and blame it on an unexpected turn of events. But somehow I have managed to refrain from getting charges mainly by keeping an eye on my finances. So here are my top tips for keeping your accounts with no charges:

- Check your account everyday to ensure an unexpected payment has not gone out. (If it has most banks give you till the end of business to correct it and avoid the charges). Use the ATM (check with your bank to ensure it is up to date or working behind and work round it) or pop into a branch or use the internet/phone.
- Keep on top of your outgoings. Get a print out of your Direct debits and Standing orders, work out when they leave your account and make sure the money is there the day before. (A little bit of work now will make a lot less work (and stress) later on).
- Make sure you pay your bills/cards on time. MAKE NOTE OF THE DATE YOU NEED TO PAY IT AT A BANK ETC TO ENSURE IT GETS THERE ON TIME. Even if you cant afford the full amount make sure you pay the minimum to avoid the charge. You have the option to pay the rest later or get a small interest charge as opposed to a full on £12 and a bad credit report.
- Check your statements when they arrive. Make sure there's no suspicious entries. A quick 30 second glance will usually pick up most things dodgy.
- BUDGET BUDGET BUDGET. Work within your limits and don't overspend. It might be nice to see that pair of shoes or new TV that you want. But if you cant budget it, leave it - save!
- Review your finances. See what's about, what can be cheaper for you. You might be able to save a packet by switching something or taking up a different product or service.
and Finally - Make full use of the banks facilities to check your finances. With so many ways to check your accounts there really is no excuse. ATM's, Kiosks, Telephone and Internet. Ensure your bank has an online fraud device available (Barclay's Pinsentry is one) and if you haven't got one ask to change to it.

Really there's no excuse for lazy account keeping. I know there is always the rare occasion where an error is made but that can and is put right by the banks. Rant over - back to my finances now.

At 19:27 on July 21 2008, hungary said:

That's great advice if you can actually get through to the bank! Recently we were not able to get through to the bank to do transfer (no local branch). I went overdrawn by £30 for 3 hours, I was charged £140, payments bounced, more charges from bounced payments, bad credit record, but did eventually get most of it back.
I have also had it