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Good News About Your Pension

Neil Faulkner
By Neil Faulkner | 4 June 2008

To calculate how much you'll need to live on when you retire, and how much you should save to achieve that, read this. You probably need a lot less than you think.

How much should you save for retirement?

Stuart (Watson, that is) wrote on The Fool about a new study that shows two things:

  • On average our incomes will more than halve to just £11,000pa when we retire.
  • We overestimate what we're going to get by 40%, because we don't invest enough.

However, I'd like to build on that by saying that we don't need as much money when we retire as we think we do, because our costs in retirement are a lot lower. For many people £11,000 will not be too little. Indeed, several of our retired discussion-board users live very comfortably on £8,000 to £10,000 per year.

The industry often talks about the magic target being £20,000pa. The truth is that we're all different and therefore we'll need different amounts. One thing is certain, my calculations find that £20k is waaay too much for most people.

The point is that it's individual so, rather than pile stupid amounts of money needlessly into your retirement pot, why not work out how much you (and I mean 'you', not the average person) will actually need to live on post-work?

Do your exercises

I devised an exercise to calculate that very thing in The Four-Step Guide To A Comfortable Retirement, which I wrote twelve months ago. (The first part was published on 11 June 2007.) In the guide I said you should re-visit the exercise at least once a year to ensure you're retirement pot is still on track.

If you're like me and you have a good idea of how your funds are performing, the great news is that you don't really need to conduct the exercise in full every single year. If you think that changes to your circumstances have been small, you can just glance over the first step of the guide.

Make a note in your calendar to re-visit it again in another year. I'll probably conduct the exercise in full every two years.

Building on the four-step guide

One year later, I have no refinements to make to the exercise. However, I have a few more points of interest:

ISAs and final-salary schemes

The first of these points is that this exercise isn't exclusively about pensions. If you're saving for retirement using ISAs, for example, the same principles apply. However, if you have an old, final-salary (aka 'defined-benefit') scheme then this exercise is probably inappropriate for you. In any event, you'll probably do very well from such a scheme anyway!

Consider how your retirement investments have performed

I'm loathe to draw your attention to the performance of your retirement funds after just one year. Saving for retirement is a rocky road of ups and downs which, if looked at too frequently, can freak you out and lead you to make wrong or rash decisions.

Your 'investment graph' will zigzag, but over many years the zigs up will most likely be larger or more frequent than the zags down, so that over a long time and from a distance (so that you can't see the fluctuations) it should look something like this.

So remember that retirement planning is for the long-term; you don't necessarily have to be concerned if you've lost a load of money this year, provided you're not retiring next week!

However, you should still re-do the exercise based on your current pension pot. Ask your pension providers how big your pots are.

If you think there's a shortfall now, you might consider contributing a bit more, but remember that ups and downs are normal. It may be too early to take such action, so have patience.

If your investments have done very well, you may be tempted to reduce your contributions. However, it may be that next year your gains are wiped out by one of the frequent down zags, so it's best to leave it for the time being.

Late starters

I would say if you've started saving for retirement late and have relatively few years left before you retire, you should save more than you calculate you'll need to, to be on the safe side. This is because over shorter periods investments are more likely to underperform.

If you're starting very late, e.g. you have just ten years left (or even perhaps fifteen years), it may be too risky to start investing your money now. A better strategy might be to pay off your mortgage as fast as possible. We talked about starting a pension late, and alternatives to doing so, in How To Build A Healthy Pension Pot - Whatever Your Age.

About inflation

Last time I took criticism from a couple of readers who believed I was making my guide needlessly complicated by factoring in 'inflation', rather than using 'today's prices'. (I explained those terms in part two of the four-part guide.)

I still prefer my way but there are pros and cons to either method so, if you prefer to see it in real prices, simply miss out part two.

What should you invest in?

What you invest in will make a difference too: we can't assume we'll all make an average 7% per year! The trick is to spread out your investments so that you're not being too risky. In this way your graph should, over twenty to forty years, look like that one I linked too, with relatively little luck!

Soon I'll write an article to help you choose investments for retirement, with the aim of getting your pension savings to look like that graph. In the meantime, conduct the exercise in the four-point guide, so you know how much to start investing for your future.

Comments

The opinions expressed here are those of the individual writers and are not representative of The Motley Fool.

At 17:24 on June 04 2008, TMFLena said:

If only I had a personal PA :)

At 07:18 on June 05 2008, sstudent said:

Great article but I like many have long become disillusioned with the whole pension thing. I have a couple both work pensions. One is a small one I get at 60 from the forces & the other from my present employer which is one of the few final salary types left.

For myself I'd rather have the money to hand than be forced to buy a poor value annuity, regardless of the fact they are meant to be better value. Nor do i wish to lose my hard earned money to some greedy insurance or other financial institution later on.

I feel that the reason the most financial firms moaning we are not saving enough for retirements is that they are not making lots of cash in the pensions market like they used to. People have got wise to them & their huge mark ups on selling their pension plans & poor value for money.

Sadly, the stake holder pensions didn't take off in quite the way they could have, but that was due to both the aforementioned greed of the financial services industry & that people were so disillusioned with it all.

Is it then any wonder that we are now looking for other ways to save for retirement?

All my savings are going into ISA's & paying my small mortgage, so i can spend as I want to & sell my home later to move maybe overseas.

I personally have very little faith in the pensions industry.

At 08:04 on June 05 2008, SteveGrr said:

In reply to sstudent's comments, I also am in a final salary scheme and hate the idea of being forced to buy an annuity with the proceeds of the defined contribution schemes I am running alongside it (e.g. from AVCs).

The good news is that we can all take up to 25% of our pension pot as tax free cash when we retire. The way this is calculated for final salary schemes is that they are valued as 40x the pension you have earned. Therefore the trick is to aim your other pension investments to account for a quarter of your total pension pot. That way you get it all back to use as you wish, rather than having to put it in an annuity.

At least, this is the way I understand it to work, so please correct me if I'm wrong!

At 08:18 on June 05 2008, sstudent said:

Hi SteveGrr I think that is prety much correct. In any event taking 25% of my pension to spend as i like is something I look forward to.
Yes you then have the security of a small income for the rest of you life, but there are lots of things to do & see in retirement to spend that 25% on.

At 09:03 on June 05 2008, junesboy said:

My staff pension has grown by less than inflation in the 7 years I've worked at this company. I'm 56 and was told the money would be invested in cash and low risk bonds(Pension Protector fund) to avoid share volatility. My forecast pension is based on 7% growth p.a. yet it is achieving roughly a quarter of that. I've also invested two lump sums which (apart from tax benefit) have therefore lost money.When I complained I was told my money was in long-dated UK fixed interest securities and my Fund not aim to be a growth fund but merely to protect the cost of purchasing a pension at retirement. Furthermore, while they understood my concerns about the (lack of) growth, the Fund had met its objectives. Should I cut my contribution to the minimum and invest my extra contributions elsewhere?

At 09:31 on June 05 2008, simond68 said:

"divised"? :-)

At 09:31 on June 05 2008, deadalust said:

I think its well worth having a moan about the betrayal of pension contributors by both the goverment and the pension industry.
I have saved in company pension schemes since the age of 21 and face a fairly miserable return, with 2 pension schemes being closed after pilfering by US based owners and another having had half of its funds invested in Equitable Life.

I now ( 56) refuse to join any company pension schemes and have a SIPP which I can manage online into which my employer contributes. By never investing more than £1000 in any one fund I may miss some great opportunities but am insulated form bad performers. If I had been able to invest in this way long ago I suspect I would not have the bouts of depression about lost pensions because at the very least it would have been my fault and not that of corporate pirates or stupid politicians.

At 09:41 on June 05 2008, hightownfa said:

As a much maligned Financial Adviser, it is interesting to hear peoples opinions on pensions.

POINT 1

Yes, FA's and Life Companies can be rightly blamed but hopefully, the public are getting wiser.

The other problem is that pension investors seem to treat pension money and their own money differently.

If you personally take out an ISA, I bet you would monitor it's performance regularly (probably daily!). Put the same fund in a pension and I bet it would just be left (witness the many people still holding pensions with 50% With Profits and 50% Managed Funds sold in the late 80's/early 90'S).

People think that once in the pension, nothing more can be done.

This is one reason why the Self Invested Personal Pension (SIPP) market has grown.

Pension money is your money so treat it the same way.

If you get an Adviser, make sure he either charges a suitable fee or takes a reasonable commission - do not accept commission rates of 7-8%.

Then, get them to commit to monitoring your funds on a regular basis. You have paid him so get him to work.

If you have a decent level of funds, consider appointing a Discretionary Fund Manager to run the pension - this should ensure regular monitoring of funds.

All of this should enhance your pension returns.

POINT 2

Sstudent/Steve Grr - You do not have to take an Annuity from the plans you hold - look at Income Drawdown and the new "Third Way" alternatives.

Income Drawdown offers a route to get more income out (plus possibly more tax-free cash thus decreasing the pension pot quicker (albeit as taxed income)plus some of the remaining fund may be available for family plus if you really hate the insurance companies, leave the remaining funds to Charity!!

Not suitable for everyone but worth considering before you make any final decisions.

POINT 3

Yes, it is only possible to get 25% tax-free cash out - people still think they can get it all.

My view is that the tax-free cash should always be taken.

This is the trade off for getting tax relief

Basically, the idea of a pension is to give you a sound financial backing that you cannot fritter away - it is all very well having all the money yourself but it can easily be spent .

Basically, pensions are not bad - they are just treated badly by everyone.

Soon, you will have no choice!!

At 10:06 on June 05 2008, garyingham said:

i left tesco 3 years ago after paying into there pension scheme for 21 years im 44 and beleive my pension increases each year with them i left on a final salary pension what happens to my pension now and should i be thinking of taking out another

At 10:28 on June 05 2008, tillywig said:

I found hightownfa's comments of 5 June particularly interesting as he speaks from a financial adviser's perspective. However, I deeply regret listening to my financial adviser when I took early retirement from the Civil Service in November 2006. I already had a lump sum I'd invested over the years and with that, together with the modest lump sum I received from the Civil Service, I was planning to clear a small personal loan and pay off my mortgage. However, my FA, no doubt thinking of his commission, said that was not a good idea and talked me into taking out a new tracker mortgage, increased to include the personal loan, and investing my remaining capital, managed by Transact, over the following 8 years. I receive a small Civil Service pension of £7000 pa out of which I now have to pay a mortgage of £334 pcm plus £140 a month council tax as well as suffering the loss of 10% starting rate relief tax thanks to Gordon Brown. My investments preclude me from qualifying for any benefits and, to add insult to injury, I have had to watch my invested capital fall in value by over £8,000 while Transact and my FA continue to take their commission up front. My portfolio has been in deficit since it was created in 2006. I realise that the credit crunch is not the fault of either my FA or Transact but I feel totally ripped off. My FA contacts me by letter when he wants my permission to invest my money in yet another scheme otherwise I never hear from him. He absolutely failed to respond to two telephone messages and an e-mail sent when I was particularly in need of reassurance as I was watching all the money I have in the world rapidly disappearing down the plughole, after commission of course. In my retirement therefore I have been forced to take another job paying basic rate tax in order to meet my essential outgoings. I feel very angry and wish now that I had listened to my gut instinct to pay off my mortgage. I feel totally disillusioned with the whole Financial Industry.

At 10:30 on June 05 2008, blaenglanhanog said:

I have a small teacher's pension to come based on my last teaching job about 2 years ago. The latest illustration predicts about £7,000 p.a. when I retire (I,m 48 now). We have recently relocated to the Welsh hills, paid off a big mortgage and are currently living off the proceeds of a company sale (dividends). I am doing a very small amount of independent assessing for the college I used to work for and I am registered as self employed so I invoice them for my time. They have offered to pay me through PAYE which I thought might save the self assessment every year. If I "go on the books" would this then mean my pension final salary would be based on this income as it is likely to be about £50 a month where my final salary with the previous teachng job wss about 40K. Any ideas or should I seek professional advice? Cheers.

At 10:47 on June 05 2008, matchmade said:

I agree that the pensions industry and financial advisors are much too pessimistic about how much people "need" to retire on. I don't know how they reach figures like two-thirds of your final salary: what do they think the average pensioner is going to spend that kind of money on? My aunt, a widow aged 64, has an incredibly generous pension of £34K p.a. via her husband's old employer, and she simply cannot spend it all: two-thirds of her monthly cheque just goes straight into her savings.

I believe £8-10,000 is adequate, provided you don't have a mortgage or rent to pay, and have a lump sum of, say, £100,000, which you keep invested for growth and occasionally dip into for the odd holiday or capital investment. The £100K can be generated from savings, your 25% cash lump sum from your pensions, or by downsizing the family home.

Of course everyone would like more, and I think most people should still save for a pension, if only to make the most of the tax breaks and the money offered by their employer, defined benefit scheme or not. Since Pensions A-Day the self-invested pension system is now very generous: you can put your entire annual salary into a pension now, if you can afford to or want to transfer some savings, and in return you will get back every penny of income tax paid to the Government that year, which has to be a good thing in anyone's book. People are also too cynical about charges: it's very easy to get a low-cost pension nowadays. Look at the SIPP offered by Alliance: all you pay is dealing charges, with no startup or annual charges, so all the growth is yours and will compound upwards.

So Neil Faulkner is right: there's no need to put away the huge sums quoted by the industry. You need instead to aim for a figure that's right for you, plus 25% for a cash lump sum, plus maybe 20% for contingencies (a stock market crash before you retire, or higher inflation).

At 11:04 on June 05 2008, StudentNurse said:

I am interested in the financial advisor's points. Having been advised by someone in a similar position a few years ago - incorrectly - I took my case to the ombudsman and they sorted things out for me. Essentially I was advised to join a private pension scheme when in fact it should have been the very good company one instead. My pension was adjusted, but I often wonder what it would be if I had had the company one instead.... hmmm

At 12:39 on June 05 2008, hightownfa said:

UPDATE

garyingham

Your Tesco pension is "frozen" at the time you left - the benefits should increase by either RP1 or say 3% per annum.

Generally not a good idea to move from a Final Salary scheme but always worth looking at (better death benefits, possible transfer to SIPP for self-investment, possible higher income on taking benefits, earlier retirmenmt etc).

No-one can say unless they have all the information but as I say, transferring from a Final Salary scheme is generally a no-no.

Yes, you should think about a new scheme as any benefits accrued will top up final income at retirement.

Are you employed now? Does Company have a scheme? If so, do they contribute? They should have access to a Stakeholder scheme anyway so check this first.

Tillywig

Unfortunate you did not talk to me - I regard paying off debt as paramount - who wants debt in retirement.

I feel for you

blaenglanhanog

Teachers pension based on Teachers salary at time - doubtful they would let you rejoin scheme now.

You should always seek professional advice as it would appear you are not paying any NI - as such and given you are 48, you are not contributing towards your State Pension so this should be addressed.

As I say above, probably not advisable to move old scheme but you may have other ideas once you know what you can do.

Otherwise, look at a new personal pension and/or look at investing in ISA's as some of the other correspondents are.

Tricky for me to give full advice here.

matchmade

Fair comments - it all comes down to personal preference.

Some people like the fact they can get 40% tax relief if they are higher rate taxpayers (isn't it interesting that many of New Labours tax laws still favour higher rate taxpayers) so they can increase their retirment income.

For many families, saving for a pension is low priority, well below food, clothing, lighting etc and mortgages/rent and finally life cover.

It all come down to priorities and cost - I do not advise anyone to take a pension out unless they can afford it and it is what they want

StudentNurse

Again, my sympathies - unfortunately, my industry is full of salesmen who are driven by targets hence the rubbish advice.

I know that some companies have had issues with pension closures but generally, if a company has a scheme and especially if they contribute, it should be joined.

Always get second or third opinions in future

Au Revoir

At 13:04 on June 05 2008, supersonickitten said:

Please would you advise me on the best option regarding additional pension for someone who is part time self employed,as well as being part time employed with a company pension?

At 13:07 on June 05 2008, sstudent said:

I take a lot of what hightownfa said & he does make some very good points.

However the finacial services industry has done itself some serious damage with pensions miselling & the public hasa long memory.

This is only compounded by the botched handling of pensions by the government, the raiding of pension funds by Brown & the loss of pensions leading to a loss of final salary schemes.

I also find the view that we MUST buy annuities or so hybrid form of annuities through drawdown or whatever they are called rather patronising.

What the translates into is that we are not trusted to spend our own money.

The finacial services/pensions industry hasa vested interest in not leting us have our own money.

Should that not be a personal choice?

Also I get so annoyed when people go on about how generous the tax man is we get tax relief on our pension savings!

Pensions are simply tax defered until we retire then we are taxed on our pensions!

This I do object to after paying tax all your working life!

If the governemnt really was keen to improve pensions allowing tax free incomes would be a fantastic move & a great incentive. I know it will never happen but that alone would encourage more to save.

As to so called A day, I wasn't that impressed with the new system & allowances.

My plan is simple, keep my present final salary pension (assuming i do lose that at sometime in the future) my forces preserved pension, save as much as i can into isas & pay off my mortgage.

At least I'll have no debts, a taxed income which hopefully will not bar me through the abomination that is means testing from accessing any benefits I might be entitled to.

This if nothing else is what I really object to, one can work hard get a decent pension then find onself being penalised for doing so through means testing.

Is it any wonder pensions atre not that popular?

I recall in its early days the Fool was not a big fan of pensions & indeed suggested other vehicles for retirement saving.

Sorry to go on folks but I do have strong views on the whole pensions thing :)

At 13:53 on June 05 2008, billyboy121 said:

Tillywig, I know this sounds really harsh and I'd be upset in your position, but ultimately this was your money and your decision, we all take all the advice and do all the research that we can do, but at the end of the day we have to make up our own minds and take the consequences of that, rather than let other people talk us into doing things that we don't want to do. You've been pretty unlucky and to be honest in my period of investing I've lost a fair chunk of cash too, mostly due to trusting third parties to invest it sensibly, which I don't do anymore save via my fund-based pension scheme and to be honest whilst I pay 15% into that p.a., any projected income for retirement I will notionally discount as I have little faith in the majority of fund managers these days.

At 14:38 on June 05 2008, hectorajg said:

Deadalust said:-

I have saved in company pension schemes since the age of 21 and face a fairly miserable return, with 2 pension schemes being closed after pilfering by US based owners and another having had half of its funds invested in Equitable Life.

See the Equitable Life Board on this site - you might get your money back!

At 18:33 on June 05 2008, chaz25 said:

Outside of the Public Sector, pension performance may vary very very considerably depending on how and who by the pension scheme is run. The date of retirement can make a significant difference as the pension awarded may depend on the interest rate on the date of retiring. It may be worth obtaining a quote at various times during the last year with the company to get the best date of retirement to secure the largest pension. This may mean balancing contributions against possible interest rate changes as interest rate cuts can reduce the pension more than you might expect.

At 21:00 on June 05 2008, blkbrd101 said:

I agree wholeheartedly. Annuity type pensions may have been warranted 40 or 50 years ago but people are more savvy now. The individual should have a choice of what he/she wants to do with their accrued pension pot. Why should a commercial company be allowed to take one's money and then offer a measly percent interest and then dole it out in the form of a pension. They get more out of the lump sum than the people whose money it is. I think they have a hold on the government to keep this farce going. We should not be held to ransom by the tiny minority who 'might' fritter the money away.

At 23:24 on June 05 2008, minimumwager said:

I used to work for the NHS, and so was happy with my pension. Now I have moved to the private sector, and I get paid a pittance. I saved some money monthly in my isa (it wasn't much, but felt vunrable making no pension contributions. So I joined my works Stakeholder pension scheme. I invested in all the safest catagories with obviously the lowest returns for the future. I am currently saving £20 per month into it. I know it will give me virtually nothing to retire on. But I still feel I need to pay something into a "Pension." But I know I shouldn't be bothering as the sum is so miniscule, it probably costs the pensions firm more to send me out statements once in a while than they make from my pathetic contribution. My isa is in equally critical health. But by the end of the month I literally have nothing left (or sometimes a small overdraft) so what can you do?

At 01:00 on June 08 2008, JAYDEEP17 said:

What use the pension fund when at retirement the taxman takes 40% at source leaving me only 60%

At 09:59 on June 08 2008, ianguerin said:

SteveGrr - the factor used to multiply pensions not yet in payment is 20, not 40 as suggested. Sorry folks if your hopes have been quashed somewhat.

To other posters, it's generally accepted that it's a good thing to join your company's pension scheme. The company pay the admin costs, & costs can make a significant difference to the overall investment return. And why would an employee not want to accept their employer's contribution to their pension pot?
If your company pension isn't performing then you need to think long & hard, & undoubtedly take the advice of an IFA.

Whether you use a company or private pension, take note of how your contributions are invested. The safe route is cash & fixed income (gilts & bonds) but they simply won't give high returns as they are less risky, & less risk=lower returns. Investing in bonds & gilts will probably do little more than keep pace with inflation.
With profit funds tend to be around 50% invested in fixed income, & possibly higher.

Treat your pension like your gas or electric bill. Know how much you are using (your contributions)& know what the tariff is (your actual rate of return from the available investments). When you get your bill (your pension statement) check it, don't just file it away, & review how your investments have performed compared with the marketplace. Ignore the performance & take no action at your peril - you may live (a very long time) to regret doing nothing

At 12:50 on June 09 2008, TMFVertigo said:

Thanks, simond68. "divised" ...terrible. Apologies! I'll see if I can get it changed.

Neil (the author)

At 19:39 on June 11 2008, GazB said:

I'm not surpised that people are generally not interested in putting money into pensions. In the early days they were ripped off by the financial industry who took huge amounts of money to pay their FA's huge commissions, typically all of the first two years premiums. Later on came Gordon Brown (Dick Turpin sounds more apt)who is ripping off our pensions by the billion whilst also having to worry about how he is going to be able to pay everyone a decent state pension. In between came the insurance companies selling "with profit" pensions which were anything but, as their "orphan estates" swelled by the billion and they ripped off their customers by ap