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Five Miserable Myths You Shouldn't Believe

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Emma Lunn

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Published in Property & Home on 3 October 2008

There's been a lot of doom and gloom about the housing market recently. But you shouldn't believe everything you read...

The property market is in freefall! It’s the wrong time to buy! You should sell up and rent! Another day, another headline coupled with some well-meaning advice about the property market. We look at some popular housing market myths and sort the fact from the fiction.

Myth 1: It’s the wrong time to buy

Whether this is true or not depends on how you view your property: as a home or as an investment? Sure, if you’re buying with the sole intention of making some cash, it’s a risky time to buy. But if you can afford the mortgage and you look at bricks and mortar as your home, somewhere to base you life and as a sanctuary from the outside world, it’s never the wrong time to buy, in my opinion. Admittedly, you might not end up making tons of cash out of it but isn’t having somewhere to call your own the important thing? (Find out what my fellow Fool Neil Faulkner discusses this question in more depth here.)

Myth 2: BTL landlords should sell up

When property was cheap and prices were on the way up, BTL was a no brainer and millions of landlords have done very well out of it. However rising house prices and higher mortgage costs have made it tougher to get BTL deals to add up and result in a profit.

As fellow Fool Donna Werbner explains here, the collapse of Bradford & Bingley could spell bad news for landlords as getting a mortgage deal is set to become that much harder for landlords.

However landlords who took a cautious approach to borrowing, have equity in their property and who are willing to see their investment as a long-term one shouldn’t panic yet – and shouldn’t sell up right now either.

Myth 3: It’s impossible to get a mortgage

Impossible? No. But it’s definitely getting trickier to get a good mortgage deal whether you’re a first-time buyer or remortgaging.

As Esther Shaw explains here, mortgage rates are going up again after more turmoil in the financial markets, namely the bailout of insurer AIG, the collapse of US investment bank Lehman Brothers, the rescue of HBOS by Lloyds TSB and the nationalisation of Bradford & Bingley.

If you’re looking to remortgage in the next couple of months my advice is to act fast before rates increase even more. Get advice from a broker and be prepared to pay more than you are at the moment.

If you’re a first-time buyer, get saving in order to build up a decent deposit – otherwise you’ll find yourself omitted from pretty much all the decent rates for first-timers.

Myth 4: House price falls are good news for people moving up the ladder

This could be true. House price falls can actually work out in the favour of someone wanting to move to a bigger or more expensive home. If prices fall 10%, a £200,000 property loses £20,000 but a £300,000 property loses £30,000, leaving someone moving up the ladder £10,000 better off.

However, house prices do not fall uniformly and properties in some areas will hold their value better than others. So whether you’ll save money by trading up in a falling market depends on what and where you are buying and selling.

But again, it goes back to what I was saying about whether you see your home as an investment or somewhere to live. If you’re family is expanding, for example, you’ll need the extra room whether it works out to be cost effective or not.

Myth 5: You should sell to rent

Personally I see selling up to rent and then buying again when prices have fallen as a disaster waiting to happen.

But as discussed here, plenty of people are doing it.

Admittedly you might be able to re-enter the property market in a year or two’s time and buy a bigger house for the same money you sold a smaller one for, or a similar-sized property for less money. But in my opinion the hassle of moving twice and the insecurity of being a tenant make selling to rent a risky plan.

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peepobaby 03 Oct 2008, 6:36pm

It is the wrong time to buy. House prices are falling fast and are not stopping. Sellers cannot find buyers and that's not because there are no mortgages out there. Its because of affordability, personal debt levels of those in their 20s/30s, and a desire to wait for the market to drop.

And for me, the opinion that selling up to rent and then buying again when prices have fallen is a disaster waiting to happen, is irrational. There is no hassle in moving twice and no insecurity in renting

FatherAbraham 03 Oct 2008, 7:40pm

Unbelievable. There used to be a time when the Motley Fool was a radical, rational and intelligent organization, providing a sound look at personal finance.

What's happened? We get this garbage article. Really, we deserve better.

The "hassle" of moving twice? I don't remember the Fool warning against the "hassle" of buying real-estate to renovate. How come selling to rent is suddenly such a hassle, and hassle is such a bad thing? Dismissing such a strategy without a sound analysis of the fundamentals just underlines how mainstream and irrelevant the Motley Fool has become these days. Who needs it?

"Insecurity" of renting? Oh, please. I expect you think that renting is "dead money" too. Did the long house-price boom kill all the rationalists off? It certainly looks like it did.

ric2003 03 Oct 2008, 8:48pm

'insecurity of being a tenant ' !!!

where did that come from??

akist 04 Oct 2008, 9:06am

Myth 1: not a myth. Is is a wrong time to buy if you believe house prices will be 20% lower in 6 months and if you believe the economy, which was based on little more than hot air, will take a serious beating from Asia where they make things better and cheaper than us because they live cheaper than we do. And because we do not have gold, silver, diamond or uranium mines, oil fields, agriculture or the industry to even sustain ourselves as a nation, let alone export to others.

I quote, "and you look at bricks and mortar as your home"!! Have you considered negative equity?



Myth 3: it is not impossible to get a mortgage. It is very, very hard. And very expensive. They ask for 75%-85% deposit, 2% arrangement fees and 3%-5% redemption penalty (so you cannot possible re-value higher after you do it up). Bye bye house market.


Myth 4: it is not a myth, it is a fact. Trying to argue that house prices do not move uniformly across regions is at best silly.


Myth 5: again not a myth. The bigger your house the more it makes sense. My neighbour bought in 2005 for 480,000, just sold for 1.1ml and now rents a few streets away. He was lucky, he said, he sold before the banks' collapse.

Nosht 04 Oct 2008, 4:28pm

These "myths" ARE myths.
Property will always increase in value despite a few minor blips & downturns.
I purchased 3 weeks ago & my new house has increased by £20,000 already.
Mortgage was no problem with the Nationwide.

Regards,

N.

maskelyne 04 Oct 2008, 8:13pm

I'm sure Akist didn't really mean it - I haven't seen any lender asking for such large deposits, surely you meant 15-25%, which after all is only a huge deposit when you're used to not having deposits at all.

Prices demonstrably do not move uniformly across regions, or even from area to area within regions. One can only generalise.

Negative equity is irrelevant unless you have to sell. Most people do not have to sell. A small minority of people do have to sell, so for them negative equity can be a problem - but it is a problem that is, generally speaking, avoidable by having a sensible LTV in the first place.

I can't believe that anyone is claiming that there is no hassle involved in moving - it's generally accepted that it is second only to bereavement as a stress inducer.

Some of these myths ARE myths for SOME people - for others, they aren't.

Nosht 04 Oct 2008, 9:03pm

Well said Jan, its a confidence thing.
i.e. Share price drops, people sell. WHY ?????????
Share price rises, people buy. WHY ???????

Regards,

Nosht.

deeplyblue 05 Oct 2008, 1:35am

@ric2003

"'insecurity of being a tenant ' !!!
where did that come from??"

It comes from thinking that your landlord may have a mortgage which they can no longer afford. If that's the case they may need to sell up, and if you are not in a period of fixed term tenancy, you could find yourself with only weeks to move.

Ditto if they need capital or a place for a relative to live.

It comes from not being sure how much your rent will increase, or when.

LastChip 05 Oct 2008, 2:29pm

Hats off to you Emma.

At last, a Fool writer that recognises a house *can* be a home. It's not *all* about money, though if you can make a little along the way, that's great.

Personally, I would begrudge every single penny I paid in rent and would far prefer to end up owning my home (as I now do).

There's nothing like a rent free, mortgage free life. Trust me, I know!

GeneralDownturn 05 Oct 2008, 5:46pm

Myth 4: House price falls are good news for people moving up the ladder
This could be true.


It is true of course. But full marks for trying.

Swarbs 06 Oct 2008, 9:39am

As with everything in the property market, it all depends on who you are and what your resources and attitude are:

Myth 1: It’s the wrong time to buy
Depends on a lot of things. If you're a cash buyer or can get a good mortgage, you can buy property for around 30-40% less than the RICS valuations. Even if property has fallen by 10% and will fall by another 30%, this still means you're no worse off. Greedy when others are fearful...

Myth 2: BTL landlords should sell up
I have a five bedroom flat let to students which makes a net profit of £700 per month and over the past two years has grown in value by £65,000. Even if it falls in value, there's no reason student rents in London will fall and I've already remortgaged to take my deposit and refurb costs out of the property. So it makes me over £8,000 per year, the mortgage is a tracker until 2011, and I haven't paid anything for it. Anyone still think I should sell?

Myth 3: It’s impossible to get a mortgage
Only if you have bad credit, a low deposit or anything which makes you an above average risk. As it should be to be honest - I'd much prefer house prices be driven by economic fundamentals (they aren't building enough new houses for the population) than easy credit. Tho why everyone seems so pleased that the housing market is about to fall is beyond me - the same credit which drove the housing market drove the entire economy of the US and UK. In the current economic climate, housing market decline = recession, housing market crash = depression. So go bears, go!

Myth 4: House price falls are good news for people moving up the ladder
Perhaps the most controversial. How about the first time buyer who bought at 90%+ LTV, and now has around -2% equity? So yes, their new price has fallen by around £20,000 - £30,000, but they need an additional few grand to clear their existing mortgage, and then need to save up for a brand new deposit. In fact, as I've written before, its the people moving up the market who are most at risk, and are being squeezed hardest. That's why they're not dropping their selling prices - if they want to move up, they simply cannot afford to. GeneralDownturn - full marks for trying, even more marks for naivety.

Myth 5: You should sell to rent
Depends on your situation, your mortgage, and the corresponding property you want to rent. But if you want to rent, don't do it on a "market's falling so I can make money" basis, do it because you'd prefer to rent. Becasue after you sell, at a 10-20% discount from current valuation, then pay around 5% as solicitors, estate agent and other fees, then pay more agency and credit check fees to find a rental property, you'll have taken a 15-25% hit, which could well be the extent of the falls over the next few years. Personally, I would only do this if I couldn't afford my mortgage and could rent a similar place for much less.

Kitxp123 06 Oct 2008, 9:49am

It is a wonderful time to buy a house.

Yes my weekly shopping costs more.

Yes my fuel bills cost more.

But..I am still able to save 50% of my salary each month. My wife is able to the same.
We are both 25 and have only been saving 2 - 3 years.

If people lived within their means and took responsibility for their own action rather than blaming banks they wouldn't be in a mess now.
The question being asked now is "Why did banks lend 120% mortgages to non-credit worthy people"
The question which should be asked is "Why did non-credit worthy people borrow 120% of the value of their property"?

I have just purchase an investment property for £78000. This same property was on the market just 6 months ago at £102000.
I will be completing next week and should have it rented by Nov 1st.
We put down a 50% deposit and borrowed 50% from HSBC at a great rate. The mortgage was arranged within 14 days. So myths of not being able to get mortgages I would suggest are only for those attempting to live beyond their means.

I intend to buy a further 2 - 3 properties in the coming months as more and more fools (lower case 'f') struggle to repay their mortgages.
I see it as a fantastic time for my finances.

munetonb 06 Oct 2008, 10:14am

Nosht
04 Oct 2008, 4:28pm
These "myths" ARE myths.
Property will always increase in value despite a few minor blips & downturns.
I purchased 3 weeks ago & my new house has increased by £20,000 already.
Mortgage was no problem with the Nationwide.

Regards,


how you do that can you be my financial adviser please you are very clevar

joewaldron 06 Oct 2008, 11:13am

Don't tell "cunning" Cliff about number 5!

GeneralDownturn 06 Oct 2008, 12:50pm

Swarbs

You correctly point out that some people will end up in negative equity before they get the chance to move. So let's adjust the wording a little. "House price falls are generally good news for people moving up the ladder, so long as they are in a position to do so.".

Do we agree?

rowlystravel 06 Oct 2008, 1:52pm

Swarbs

You correctly point out that some people will end up in negative equity before they get the chance to move. So let's adjust the wording a little. "House price falls are generally good news for people moving up the ladder, so long as they are in a position to do so.".

Do we agree?

if your "house is your home and not your investment, House price falls are generally good news for people moving up the ladder, so long as they are in a position to do so.".

yes.. i will likely get caught in the trap of being unable to remortgage with a good rate.. but my investment property is locked in til 2012 at just over 5% so i got a few years grace! I will be stuck on halifax SVR from next January though :( as my equity has been cleaned out nearly.... thankfully i can afford SVR and then some so we can wittle away until we have enough equity to get a good deal and or prices go up.. but its my home and i dont wat to move.. I am lucky in the grand scheme of things

Swarbs 06 Oct 2008, 1:57pm

GeneralDownturn

Yes, although the "so long as they are in a position to do so" is about as vague as I've ever heard ;)

In a rising market:

Person buys house for £200,000 with £150,000 mortgage.
Four years later, they sell the house for £300,000 and repay the mortgage, now £140,000.
They have £150-£160,000 deposit for a new house. That's 40% LTV on their new £400,000 house. Their new mortgage is £250,000, at the Woolwich, at 5.69%.

Ok, mortgage will now be around 40% more expensive than before, but this far preferable to the alternative:

In a falling market:

Person buys a house for £200,000 with a £150,000 mortgage.
Four years later they sell the house for £150,000 and, after fees and £140,000 of mortgage, they are left with enough for a removal van.
Instead of being £400,000, their new house is £200,000.
They need a 100% mortgage at £200,000.
Their new mortgage comes from Johnny the loan shark, at a very reasonable 20% with one broken finger for every month they miss a repayment.

Still can't see them being in a better situation!
Even if they get a new remortgage from a commercial lender, it will be at a much higher rate than the £250,000 with the Woolwich.

Ok, if the buyer looking to move up the chain is mortgage free, or has bought the property for less than they can sell it for, then their fine. Otherwise, their loss of equity will impinge on their future buying prospects much more than even the 50% rise in prices I've discussed above.

Yes, I agree that if they are in a position to do so they will do fine, but I think rising prices makes it much easier for them to do so than falling ones. Static house prices, on the other hand, win by a mile, but that's another debate entirely!

Gucinari 06 Oct 2008, 10:19pm

It's interesting to read articles like this, which contrast so starkly, both with other Fool articles on propety of recent months and with the general trends obvious to the most ill informed members of the general public like myself. It would seem likely the author has a substantial proportion of what he/she considers to be his/her net worth or liabilities invested in bricks and mortar, perhaps?

My opinion is that 3 of these myths are actually fairly widely accepted facts but I wouldn't think it's worth selling to rent if you don't have to as that boat sailed approximately 12 months ago - and I don't know of anyone who has complained of it being impossible to get a mortgage except people who are too stupid to be in charge of their own finances anyway...

There is no way though that I can be persuaded that it is sensible for ANYONE, even for established Landlords with surplus liquidity to make new aquisitions in the UK property market for the time being as the coming period of recession will knock a biggish hole in the number of properties required for private rental as overseas workers return home or seek better work opportunities elsewhere. That would seem to cover Myths 1 and 2, with the caviat that for BTL it really depends if you bought proper houses more than about 5 years ago or bought 10 identikit flats in the centre of a regenerated city centre within the last 3 or 4 years. If the latter you are going to face severe challenges.

Anyway I sympathise with kitxp123 who is maybe too young to remember really - £78,000 may seem cheap right now but bear in mind the property was maybe around 18,000 in 1996 and we are going to see falls to somewhere between that (too low) and where we are right now (still way too high.)

trustjmh 07 Oct 2008, 1:18pm

Another one sided article from the Fool. None are myths, they all depend on circumstance.

DAQ80 07 Oct 2008, 2:51pm

All are partially true, but no-one knows what will transpire in the housing market, so everyone is to a certain extent guessing. It is quite blatently not a good time to buy if house prices are going to be 40% lower in 2 or 3 years, but if they fall more modestly and are say only 10% lower by the end of 2010 then it's not a bad time to buy (other than for investment purposes). All the other points rather trivially depend on the extent of the falls as well.

For people moving onto the ladder it's quite obviously fantastic news if prices fall 40%, and to a large extent it's good for anyone with a deposit of more than 40% in their current home. To take the example of a £200k house, but now with an £80k mortgage, a 40% fall in 3 years would wipe out most of their deposit (not all assuming it's a repayment mortgage), but if they then wanted to buy a house worth 50% more, even with a higher interest rate, they'd be paying significantly less out in monthly repayments despite the lower equity than if prices rose.

What's more, if the fall in house prices lasts for a long time but carries on at a steady rate, the better it is for home owners that will plan on buying a bigger house in future.

windsor115 10 Oct 2008, 2:45pm

Myth 1 is not a myth it's a generalisation. Statistics predicting extreme price falls across the entire UK are generalisations. Such figures are not location specific enough to be interpreted directly. They also take no account of the demographic associated with the area. Property in very desirable locations will always retain the majority of its value, plus the social demographic has a direct affect on how leveraged people are. Amateur buy to let investors who have bought property off-plan in locations where no-one wants to live based on property seminars offering to make them rich without even visiting the location. That's a different story.

Like everything, the price of something comes down to what someone else is willing to pay for it. The value of something (like a house/home) depends upon far more complex human emotions that cannot be distilled into purely monetary terms. Simply assuming that every house in the UK will reduce massively in price over the next two years is a generalisation.
If you buy a new car you know that the moment you drive it off the forecourt you will not be able to sell it on for the same price that you paid for it. It doesn't stop you buying the car. You want it. It's something that you value. If people as consumers were only motivated by re-sale prices, the economy really would collapse because no-one would buy anything that wasn't an appreciating asset.

Also, it's only difficult to get a mortgage if you can't afford the property that you want to buy. Mortgages are getting more expensive but historically they are still cheap.

Selling to rent sounds like something that is influenced by lots of factors. Selling costs money, buying costs money, renting costs money, mortgage re-arrangement fees cost money, solicitors cost money, stamp duty costs money, stopping repaying capital costs money... Looks like a detailed calculation is required before you could even consider doing this.

Renting does carry a degree of insecurity. You can be moved out of your home repeatedly with little notice. This might be OK if your a single or a couple with no kids living in a 2 bed flat, but if you're a family, it can be a real inconvenience and if you've got a pet in tow you're really in trouble.

Nosht 10 Oct 2008, 6:38pm

Nosht
04 Oct 2008, 4:28pm
These "myths" ARE myths.
Property will always increase in value despite a few minor blips & downturns.
I purchased 3 weeks ago & my new house has increased by £20,000 already.
Mortgage was no problem with the Nationwide.

Regards,


how you do that ? can you be my financial adviser please ? you are very clever.

Decent credit history.
Just find a decent IFA.
No, normal.

Even better now my tracker mortgage is now down 0.5%

Regards,

N.

guykguard 11 Oct 2008, 12:36pm

Viewed from a distance, for some time the UK property market has made absolutely no sense whatsoever. To some extent a wise investment policy focusses on relative asset values. On average, UK house prices have been absurdly over-valued. This cannot possibly continue.
Very roughly, the average UK house price is £160,000; average annual salary, £25,000. From now on, there's no chance whatever of any reputable bank or BS lending anyone more than three times their annual salary or 80% of the market value of the property, whichever is the less.
For most FT buyers, average house prices must fall to about £100,000 for them to stand a chance of buying their own home. And, even then, they will need a deposit of about a year's salary to stand a chance of striking a deal.
Of course, talking in averages conceals the range of house prices, from a subsidence-stricken terrace in the Welsh valleys to mock-Tudor in Surrey. But, what chances of mass migration from the overcrowded and overpriced SE to the boonies of Wales and Scotland?
Another absurd feature of the UK property market are the primitive laws on renting. In other countries the laws and customs on renting are sensible so the rental market works well. Thus, there is no stigma attached to the choice not to sink an absurd amount of money into lath and plaster - as opposed to land - but to favour other assets of superior relative value.
In real estate, the land is an appreciating asset. With rare exceptions, the building is a depreciating one. At best, a house is 80% shelter, 20% asset. For 30 years, the UK housing market has been based on the reverse. The present banking crisis, of momentous proportions, has put paid to that fool's paradise for a very long time.

Birtles 13 Oct 2008, 10:03pm

Nosht
04 Oct 2008, 4:28pm
These "myths" ARE myths.
Property will always increase in value despite a few minor blips & downturns.
I purchased 3 weeks ago & my new house has increased by £20,000 already.
Mortgage was no problem with the Nationwide.

Regards,


how you do that ? can you be my financial adviser please ? you are very clever.

Decent credit history.
Just find a decent IFA.
No, normal.

Even better now my tracker mortgage is now down 0.5%

Regards,

N.

Don't be so modest. You so very clever. Tell us all how you magicked the 20k. you had offer on Nosht house already?

Nosht 01 Nov 2008, 9:04pm

Simple, remortgage application, which I did not take up as it is too low. I am in no hurry to buy yet as mortgages are becoming easier & cheaper.

Regards,

N.

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