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Housing Rescue Doomed To Fail

Cliff D'Arcy

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Cliff D'Arcy

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Published in Property & Home on 2 September 2008

The government announces its grand plan to save the housing market. However, it will do nothing to prevent plunging prices.

Earlier today, the government announced its long-awaited rescue plan for our struggling housing market. However, homeowners shouldn’t get their hopes up, because the bail-out kitty is practically empty!

How not to revive a housing market

In a nutshell, these are the government’s proposals:

1.    Suspend Stamp Duty Land Tax (‘stamp duty’) on properties costing up to £175,000.

2.    An increase in shared-equity housing, where buyers buy a proportion of a property and the government takes on the remainder.

3.    Councils will be given extra cash to buy up homes in order to prevent repossessions, and help to increase their stock of social housing.

Let’s look at each of these proposals in more detail:

1.    A stamp-duty holiday

At present, properties selling for up to £125,000 attract no stamp duty; between £125,000 and £250,000, stamp duty is 1%. The government is temporarily increasing the duty-free threshold by £50,000 for one year from 3 September. Thus, buyers of properties costing between £125,000 and £175,000 are now 1% better off. This is a relatively narrow slice of the market, perhaps one in ten sales, but this measure may cost up to £600 million.

At most, this stamp-duty holiday will save a potential homebuyer a one-off £1,750, which would be peanuts if house prices plunge another 10% to 30%. Furthermore, the Conservative government tried this tactic in 1991/92, when it failed to stop house prices from sliding. Indeed, I was house-hunting at this time, and waited until the stamp-duty holiday had ended before buying my first home for a fifth (20%) off the already reduced asking price.

In my view, all this measure will do is to pull down property prices above the new £175,000 threshold. In other words, someone aiming to buy a house for, say, £190,000 will demand a £15,000 discount in order to benefit from the raised duty-free threshold. As housing chains are tightly coupled, this discounting will ripple upwards, causing prices to fall further up the ladder. So, by making house prices fall further, this proposal will do the opposite of what was intended -- yet another example of the ‘Law of Unintended Consequences’.

2.    HomeBuy Direct: your negative-equity loan

Next, the government is working with major housebuilders to introduce HomeBuy Direct: ‘free’ loans for first-time buyers. Funding will be provided by the government and property developers, and will allow buyers of new homes in England a five-year, interest-free loan of up to three-tenths (30%) of the purchase price.

Only those with a household income of less than £60,000 will be eligible, which is pretty generous, given that average household income is under £35,000. After five years, buyers will have to pay interest or a fee for this concessionary loan, although it is not clear how much this will amount to.

Thus, while British banks have withdrawn from lending 100% of a property’s value, the government, working hand in hand with housebuilders, is bravely set to enter this market. In my view, HomeBuy Direct should be renamed Negative-Equity Direct, because it encourages buyers to borrow more than they can comfortably afford while house prices are falling. Still, it will probably create no more than 10,000 extra sales, which is a drop in the ocean, given the million properties currently up for sale.

In short, if I were thinking about buying a new home, I would ignore HomeBuy Direct and, instead, try to negotiate a steep discount (say, 25%) off the asking price. Desperate, cash-strapped property developers are already being forced to swallow reductions of this size or greater.

3.    Sell-to-rent ‘mortgage rescue’ scheme

In addition, the government plans a ‘mortgage rescue’ scheme costing £200 million. This will allow councils and social-housing organisations to pay off the mortgages of homeowners struggling to keep up their monthly repayments. The new co-owners will then charge their shared-equity tenants an affordable monthly rent. Also, the government has also promised to bring forward funding earmarked for building new social housing.

So, the government is all set to lose vast amounts of our money by buying surplus stock in the worst property slump in two decades. This is even dafter than the bone-headed decision to sell Britain’s gold reserves before the price went on to triple. Doh!

Obviously doomed to fail

The UK’s 26 million residential properties are worth roughly £5 trillion, or 3½ times the UK’s gross domestic product -- a measure of national income and output -- of £1.4 trillion. The total cost of the above measures is estimated at £1 billion. In other words, the government’s long-awaited shot in the arm comes to just 1/5,000th (0.02%) of the total value of UK property. This is a gnat on an elephant’s back and will do little or nothing to stop the ongoing slump in property prices!

The best thing that the government can do for first-time buyers is to allow prices to fall to a sensible level. This will be far more effective than tinkering with stamp-duty rates and using taxpayers’ money to bail out banks, housebuilders and some reckless borrowers. As the old saying goes: don’t try to buck the market. If the government really wanted to create a stable housing market, then it should have intervened in 2003, when house prices rose by a quarter (25%) in a year.

Finally, here’s some light relief from satirical website The Daily Mash: Can I have a car as well? Ask first-time buyers. What do you think? Should the government buy new cars for first-time buyers?

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castath 02 Sep 2008, 6:17pm

Cliff, your such a pessimist, anyone would think you wanted house prices to fall.

Lets be honest there is nothing this government can do to help housing that would please you so anything they do is going to come with the headlines of "Doom" from yourself.

I think the real problem you have with helping out the housing industry is that this government initiative has set you back with your property purchase plans.

All's fair in love and war.

Jimeni 02 Sep 2008, 6:35pm

I have to agree with Cliff, the governments actions are not going to make a difference and they shouldn't really be trying.

Its not up to them to control the housing market and if it was then they should have worked to stop prices inflating not try to stop them deflating.

Its a terrible idea to encourage a first time buyer into this falling market and stashing some government money into the falling asset for good measure.

I'm sure all the FTBs (myself included) will just wait this out, after all we have been waiting long enough!

CunningCliff 02 Sep 2008, 6:48pm

Yes, castath, I do want house prices to fall -- as does the majority of UK adults, according to a recent BBC News poll!

Cliff

CunningCliff 02 Sep 2008, 7:28pm

Here's the text of the report from the DCLG:
http://www.communities.gov.uk/news/corporate/950558

apdavidson 02 Sep 2008, 7:35pm

Property prices will fall faster now because GB's desperate tinkering to save his political skin is crashing the £ and raising inflation and interest rates.

Vincenzo30 02 Sep 2008, 9:06pm

While I agree, on the whole, that the measures will have little impact on the market, it would be nice to read articles that were written on a more subjective basis.

Do you really think it is reasonable to ask for a reduction in a sale price from £190k to £175k, purely for the sake of a £1,900 saving on stamp duty??

Or is the purpose of these 'articles' to try and encourage people to do just that?

STRs....all the same!

peeers 03 Sep 2008, 5:22am

I do agree today’s Gov idea will have little, if no effect.

The outcome that I find much more daunting concerns the bigger picture regarding HM Inland revenues income stream.

I am not up to speed with numbers but I imagine the shortfall in stamp duty revenues will prove to be absolutely astronomical given the abrupt fall-off in house sales. Consider the 4% = £25,000 + on most modest London properties.

Remember this is public money and will need to be ‘made up’ in some form of extra taxation. Therefore, the advantage of gaining by buying a property cheap out in the sticks is nothing but a sweet dream in my opinion.

How many people are just buying anyway? The idiotic assumption by some is that they can sell at pre-fall prices and buy at todays.

Then you have other phrophets that assume selling and renting and sitting it out is another option. Rentals in my area have already increased dramatically and a shortage of properties is rapidly developing. Come on get with it or am I missing something?

Superskuller 03 Sep 2008, 6:25am

Does anyone believe Gordon and Alistair can save ANY market by intervention?

"The 9 scariest words in the world are; 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help'."

Ronald Regan

DusseldorfMark 03 Sep 2008, 6:26am

Hi all, I moved to Germany, sold my house in '91 and just watched the UK housing market explode with amazement and dismay as I was not part of it. I thought that this 'roll' could not possibly be sustained, and I watched the Fool discussion rooms with interest, but the boom just went on and on. So I was stuck in Germany, not being able to afford to return. The UK houses are not worth the money they cost and people cannot afford them. Simple. = recipe for crash. And what poor level of build quality and age do you get for your money? Come to the continent and see how they build modern plan houses to last, and with cellars for much less than what it costs in the UK.
I recon the core problem was that the market was allowed to explode in the first place by greed and restrictive planning practices. Am I right?? The resulting burst bubble's market forces will dictate that house prices will ultimately revert to a level where they reach their true worth. Sorry for the poor people who are caught in negative equity, maybe the Government should look at how to bale them out rather than to try to block stabilising market forces.

judebee 03 Sep 2008, 6:34am

Sigh. More tiresome, biased, wish-fullfilling reportage from the guy who's praying for the market to crash so he can smugly turn a profit out of other people's misery. Sorry that it hasn't worked out for you, Cliff, jumping off the property ladder and forking out rent while you wait for the crash. However much you wish it would, chances of the market dropping by the percentage you need it to to even break even now are pretty remote! (And, of course, you're in it to turn a profit, not to put a roof over your head like most of the rest of us. Pretty hypocrtical for someone who tells us that that's a foolish notion!) As for that BBC poll: I'd love to see the link. The only one I can find is a poll of 1000 bods off the street - and they were split pretty evenly between wanting the market to go up, down, or stay the same. Hardly the same thing. But then balanced and objective reportage is not exactly what I've come to expect from your pages. Which is a shame.

jonnie2thumbs 03 Sep 2008, 6:43am

If you believe the govt didn't have a hand in the booming property prices to prop up a failing economy then you really are fools.....

jdbgilbert 03 Sep 2008, 7:06am

I have to agree with Judebee. Cliff's bias on this subject has become very tiresome. It seems to me that he has speculated on a house market crash, which doesn't seem very Foolish.

Justoccasionally 03 Sep 2008, 7:08am

Thank goodness we have just sold and thank goodness we don't complete until the 4th. Thank goodness we are not buying to invest - just buying to live where we want and for the rest of our lives.
I don't mean to sound smug in fact we have just had to drop our house sale price from over £310,000 (Valued by 2 estate agents above that) 12 months ago to a miserable £249,000. So we are down over £60,000 and are getting back £1,740 from the changes - It all sounds about normal to me - and it will get worse. We all know prices are much too high but the experts (so called) don't want to admit it.

Remember the description 'Expert' derives from 'X' (an unknown quantity) and a 'spurt' (Is a drip under pressure).

The value of our new house is set to drop another 10% minimum before Christmas, I understand. Thank goodness we are not first time buyers!

madvalentine 03 Sep 2008, 7:42am

Im a potential first time buyer (maybe next year, we'll see) and this doesnt make that much difference to me wither, considering I am looking at prices sub 130/125 anyway. It makes a small difference if I go up to 130 I guess, but that is tretching mortgage finances a bit, so it is unlikely. The first thing that I thought, rather than "yippee" was, hmm, I hope that this doesnt push prices back up because I wont be able to afford to buy until I have another chunk of deposit then. Note, My partner and I earn about 50k a year between us and will have about 35k of deposit early/mid next year, however half of the income is freelance, so wont count for much. 125 -130 is about the top of what is reasonable I would think, and about the bottom of the market in Ashford, which is the best place for us to go in terms of travel to work. So, stamp duty waiving doesnt really bother me, but I worry what effect it will have.

jheenan1 03 Sep 2008, 7:49am

The government should get involved with the housing market. The problem is they should have got involved in 2001 when house prices rose 25% in one year. They should have raised stamp duty for 2nd homes, BTL to a flat 5% and forced banks to take a 25% min deposit

debtwagon 03 Sep 2008, 7:49am

I think the Govt. move is well-intentioned and whilst Cliff is a bit of a doom-monger on this topic, his analysis is probably about right. But Alistair Darling is a very honest no-spin politician and he's just unlucky to be the man in the job at the wrong time. To listen to George Osborne recently, you'd think the Conservatives had a whiter-than-white record on the economy! As if it would be any different! My advice: sit tight if you can. I FORECAST A HOUSE PRICE BOOM! Just not sure when.

dmarr51 03 Sep 2008, 7:52am

I'm sorry for the FTB's but it strikes me that they are too busy going out on the lash, buying new cars, 2 holidays a year and still expecting to buy a house. I SAVED my deposit by not going on holiday, not having a car and by cutting down on going out. This I believe is sort of traditional as my parents saved for there 1st house too. I still can't see how increasing the countries debt burden by giving 30% interest free loans to buy NEW BUILD houses (ie empty) is going to stimulate the market surely the loans should be for houses already occupied so the occupants can then go buy another home. It strikes me this government (GB) in particular is not as prudent as he thinks as he has turned a profitable country into one saddled with a debt we will be lucky to get out of in the next 30 years. THIS SUCKS

gandjmjones 03 Sep 2008, 8:03am

How much did GREEDY Gordon make in the increased Stamp Duty out of the boom in house prices and what have we got to show for it?? Now he's offering the sop of 1% holiday on the lower end of the market in an attempt to drag in first time buyers into a falling market.

DON'T TRUST HIM.... He's trying to save his own skin at the expense of the vulnerable.. He can no more run the country than I could run the marathon.....

SeventySeven 03 Sep 2008, 8:12am

Having an economy without government tinkering is impossible or rather none of you would like a real market economy with all it short-term up and downs created by both internal and external factors. Cliff would be in a permanent tizzwaz. House prices were "too high" because some people could not afford them or because irresponsible banks were creating artifical liquidity through irresponsible lending. And the Bank of England are equally guilty by propogating the notion of a housing shortage!
Perhaps a more controlled lending policy enforced by legislation would be more appropriate. The house market could then rise and fall in a more understandable and perhaps acceptable way. No doubt, Cliff would whine about the effects on the poor banks and on controlling their profits.

mjammy 03 Sep 2008, 8:22am

I agree with jheenan1, its a good strategy if only the banks hought this way.

I don't want house prices to fall any further but definately want first time buyers to have a helping hand onto the ladder.

I still dont think part buy part rent is a good idea, with the way that you still need ti pay rent on the shares you don't own. what the point. You may as well find a property you can afford and get full ownership and pay a mortgage.

Terrapin1 03 Sep 2008, 8:25am

Estate agent pigs are still charging 2% to sell distressed owners' properties at well below market value-until this unlicenced cancer is removed,or forced to drop fees to <1%, we will always have problems. Why oh why do people use agents? They are useless liars, who actually hinder the process.they have cost me over 20 thousand by their pig ignorant attitude.

mjammy 03 Sep 2008, 8:26am

Also stamp duty should start from £250,000 this sounds sensible not £175,000. That would have made a great difference when i was a first time buyer last year.

People should not drive down the prices further buy demanding a discount of more than 5%, you yourselves would like some value in your homes as well as living somewhere for life or short term.

is this not reasonable request

churchill123 03 Sep 2008, 8:35am

Cliff is on the money with his observations, and as a Landlord in Germany myself, I can assure you all that DusseldorfMark is too.

I don't understand why so many of the good people of this counttry seem to believe that rising housprices are a good thing and dropping prices are bad? Housing, like any commodity is subject to market forces, and we've found out recently that perhaps our 'prudent' government are perhaps not so in control after all, and that market forces are alive and well.

Housing stock is on the whole, unrealistically priced right now. When the prices fell to realistic levels in the early 1990's, people strated buying again. A lot of those buyers had their homes repossesed in the 1980's and early 90's themselves, and it allowed them to resestablish themselves.
The whole idea of a 'property ladder' is nonsense. Think more 'property pyramid scheme', when the bottom layer stops buying ie first time buyers, the whole pyramid collapses.

realist2008 03 Sep 2008, 8:36am

Dear Cliff,

You've had some critics today on your fine article. Take heart that anyone with a gungho attitude at the present time shares that same fatal optimism - and savage critique of those who don't - as buyers of lottery tickets.

As a physicist, I can confirm your call is right - yet again we rediscover that 'what goes up, must come down'. Nor are we alone, as Moneyweek, the FT and the Darling Chancellor daily confirm.

MC30 03 Sep 2008, 8:39am

I am a FTB, hoping to exchange in the next few weeks. I looked at renting a property but the prices where I live are very high and to be honest, renting does sit well with me. For the price of a rented property, I could afford to pay a mortgage. So I've found somewhere to buy. I am buying the house as a long term project, I don't plan to up sticks and move again in a few years so I have fixed my mortgage for 5 years. I seeked independent financial advice from a number of avenues and the response was varied but allowed me to come to my current decision. I feel confident in my decision, as long as I stay long enough at this property, I think I can ride out the storm and not end up in negative equity. I'm sure many people will disagree with me however.

Hudges 03 Sep 2008, 8:46am

As I have said in previous related posts, the housing market is not a free market. Nor should it be. We require planning restrictions so that there is green space for people. Therefore, the Government needs to legislate in such a way as to limit the swings in property values.

My own belief is that property prices need to stabilise significantly lower than they are now, thereby reducing living expenses and hence allowing the UK to compete internationally in manufacturing and services. The economic conditions that we are currently experiencing demonstrate that we cannot sustain a sound economy at current levels of house prices and rental costs.

Those above who criticise Cliff for his views sound to me very protective of their individual positions. I feel that you should try to view the overall picture of the economy. Real wealth is generated through selling resources, manufacture, services and agriculture. The value of the housing stock affects the countries ability to compete effectively in these industries by effectively setting the cost of labour.

I know that the house price falls will hurt a lot of people, including I imagine some of the contributors above, but our real economy needs it.

debtwagon 03 Sep 2008, 8:54am

Surely, dmarr51, with the decline of the extended family occupying one property, there's got to be some "new build"? But it is good to see the property developers getting a damn good thrashing - a 94% drop in profit I heard one announce the other day. Excellent stuff. Just to take up DusseldorkMark's comments, I agree we desperately need more imaginitive houses - modern, cellars, and 3 stories. Perhaps Germany has the right approach with its low percentage of privately owned property? Designers seem to have more freedom there. Give people space! It's vital for body and soul. Any architects out there? Aren't you ashamed you take seven years to train but then you turn out densely-packed pastiches of the Victorian and Edwardian era, with every dimension trimmed down to a bare stress-inducing minimum, plastic windows and a back "courtyard garden" just about big enough to keep an abandoned sofa? I'd be interested to hear what you've got to say for yourslves - in my estimation, you're BELOW estate agents.

churchill123 03 Sep 2008, 9:01am

Agreed MC30, but the moneylenders in the UK market have allowed irresponsible speculation in the market because lending was cheap. personally, and I know hindsight is a wonderful thing, they should have started ramping interest rates about 2002 to stop speculation abnd stabilise the housing market, protect the value of the pound which would have protected it's value, and reigned in inflation and giving the UK economy as a whole more buying power vis a vis oil prices. Unfortunately, I think winning general elections is more important than the rest of us.

geoffaries 03 Sep 2008, 9:13am

To Realist and Cliff I agree that we are experiencing a drop in house prices, but I also predict a rise in house prices - can't quite put a date on it yet!I can't claim to be as clever as a physcisist, but I do know that I bought my first house for £8k and it's just been sold for £300k. One factor that does not appear to have been considered in this thread is the long term effect of the housing shortage, the population is expanding at such a rate that it will soon be greater than Germany; at the very least rents will increase, sorry Cliff, as it has been said before speculating on houses is no different than investing in the stock market, but we all need somewhere to live, If was single and didn't mind where I live then I would speculate as Cliff is doing, the market has stalled because people that moved because they just wanted a change are not doing so now because they will not accept a large drop in their houses value, for the time being the only houses being sold are where the owners don't have a choice, "it's an ill wind that blows no good" even the divorce rate has dropped as couples prefer to stay together rather than "give away" their house!!

bimber 03 Sep 2008, 9:14am

It's not all bad news! Any commitment from the government to spend more money will push the value of the pound down further and push up the value of the food in our larders. Like expensive shelter, expensive food must be a good thing. I can't think why right now, but I've heard a lot of people say it about houses, so it must be true for food too. I only wish the energy and water bills would go up too.

TheHaunted 03 Sep 2008, 9:21am

Cliff is spot on once again. If the government was so desperate to make housing affordable then why did it not act in 2003? Lax lending and little regulation have allowed houses to spiral out of control and anyone who thinks that the avarage house price can remain over 5 times the average wage is fooling them selves. I should also add that those people who bought houses that they can not afford to keep deserve to loose them. We are all adults and we need to take responibility for our actions. Finally, if you bought your house and have MEWed yourself into negative equity, again I say it's your own fault, deal with it.

gartons 03 Sep 2008, 9:22am

Why should the taxpayer have to pick up the tab through the government's "mortgage rescue" scheme?
Once again it's those who budget and live within their means who pay the price.

Hardtruth 03 Sep 2008, 9:23am

To all those of you who think Cliff is not on the money here (despite the evidence supporting him) clearly is out to lunch with the fairies and has not the faintest idea of the workings or power of the free market (QED like our gvmt).

No doubt you also read the Guardian, still think the BBC is a paragon of non-bias and feel your spirits lift up each time that pocket waxwork Hazel Bleat spews out her latest patronising lecture in spin and deceit.

ArtemisFowl 03 Sep 2008, 9:24am

Re debtwagon's comment -
houses are designed like they are to make the max profit.

doombuster 03 Sep 2008, 9:27am

You are absolutely right Cliff, these measures are a drop in a massive ocean of negative equity for those that bought on 100% mortgages in the last 4 years.

Its incredible that a government has just rubbed its hands on the extra tax revenue brought about by the boom which started in 2002 rather than doing something to calm it down is pure madness and will lead to their removal from power.
year on year increases in value of more than 30% has occurred in the past 5 years mostly in regions outside southern england. The government should have known that historically this was unsustainable and measures should have been taken when the first double digit house price increase was reported.
Confidence is maintained in the housing market if annual returns exceed the cost of the finance, and a return of 6-10% would have easilily maintained confidence and held housing as affordable.
How would the government have done this? Quite easy really - better regulation of lenders in the following order:- No self certification of income, maximum LTV of 95%, max 4 x salary loan value. You may respond by saying that this is too much meddling with the lending market. I would say that home mortages are too political and personal to not regulate better and the banks have once again proved that their greed exceeds their prudence and commonsense.
What about now?- The market will fall further and I expect it will fall at least by 30% over the next 3-4 years. The government will have to concentrate on helping those that fall into the benefits system during this time. The banks should accommodate all reasonable measures to prevent reposession feeding the decline or their losses will be even greater in the long term. The last thing the goverment should do is tempt first time buyers into a declining market by affordability incentives that will shackle the unsuspecting into unsustainable debt. Home seekers should rent for at least the next 18 months and assume that if they buy now the value of their house will fall by a further 15% before it bottoms out.

TimeValue 03 Sep 2008, 9:27am

I agree with Cliff's analysis. The negative equity loan is just a way of using taxpayer's money to subsidise the big housebuilders. These housebuilders are the same cartel that was feeding false valuation data to the land registry to artificially inflate values and deceive people into paying more than they ought to for properties. Now we give them a state handout! Brown is an ass.
If the government wants to help, just confine action to blocking banks from repossessing. The borrowers who have taken on more debt than they can manage and the irresponsible lenders should be compelled to shoulder the burden for as long as it takes.
Houses and development land are far too expensive. A construct of the planning system. Too little land allocated and the allocation places all the power and profit in the hands the landowner. All land allocated for development should be subject to compulsory purchase by the local authority at previous use values. Ask our correspondents from Germany about how it works there. We could import their PassivHaus standard too. That way we'll have affordable and sustainable housing.

killickbecki 03 Sep 2008, 9:32am

Surely this is good news for first time buyers who have built up a healthy deposit. They can now take the interest free loan and stick their deposit money in a high interest savings account. Then pay the loan back in full after the first 5 years.
Having just bought my first house a few months ago, that is what i would do if i was buying now.

carlbos 03 Sep 2008, 9:35am

It's about time people started seeing their house as a home and not a pot of money. I really don't care what happens to the housing market. I chose to live where I live because I love the house and its location. perhaps its not a very "foolish" view of house owning but it's mine and a lot less stressful than worrying about turning a profit every day.

Maverick139 03 Sep 2008, 9:38am

Its all very well saying that at present stamp duty is 1% between 125-250K, what you don't mention is that if you buy a house for say 126,00 you get charged the 1% on the whole amount and not just the 1,000 above the threshold. Is the Government planning on doing the same thing if it does bring in the new 175,000 threshold. I think that if anyone has bought a house in the last three years they should qualify for a refund on their stamp duty. The Government seems to be looking out for people with families etc giving them family credits left right and centre - what about us singletons who have saved and managed to buy our own houses and are now struggling - where's our help. We can't sustain the country much longer and its about time the Government started thinking about us too! I know people who are deliberately changing their working hours so that they qualify for state benefits - its a real kick in the teeth for us single, full time workers.

doomanic 03 Sep 2008, 9:39am

If I wasn't approaching negative equity, I am now! Thanks Gordon.
I agree with Terrapin1 about estate agents. While discussing the sale of property with them, including my mortgage situation all they could think of, to a man, were their fees!

19julius52 03 Sep 2008, 9:42am

I wish the government would spend less time on making announcements about announcements and then disappointing us with the significance of their measures and more on thinking through the (often unintended) consequences of their decisions and consulting widely in different sectors of the industry and market about the likely effects of their proposed policies.
The measures that they have just introduced may be laudable, but they are too little and too late.
Everyone accepts that there is a shortage of affordable housing compared to the demand and yet prices are still falling - bucking the economic argument about 'supply and demand'.
The reason for this is that the housing market is a triangular one, in which the supply and demand for affordable mortgages is equally important. There is an excess of demand for mortgages over the available supply, because the 'credit crunch' has destroyed confidence (and trust) in the banking sector.
Tinkering on the edges, as the government is doing, will not rectify this problem.
'Pulling forward' investment in 'affordable' housing will not work. According to Dept of Communities & Local Govt statistics 'social' housing only represents about 12.5% of new house building in Great Britain and even that was falling short of the need.
Even if that could be increased by 50% it would do little to offset the 50% or more fall in speculative building for private sale.
In practice, since the majority of 'affordable' housing was being built under Section 106 agreements, the collapse of private development means the collapse of 'affordable' home building, irrespective of what the government tries to invest.

cuteykat 03 Sep 2008, 9:48am

I have to agree with Cliff, the governments actions are not going to make a difference and they shouldn't really be trying.

The main problem we have is a very greedy government. And whilst the bad to worse ecconomic situation does not actually affect their own personal bank accounts we can only sit back as they continue to play the game of running the country, it's very obvious to see from their effort and their body language in public that they have other concerns (worldwide political relations) as their priority and whilst they are OK personally the UK people will always be an afterthought, with silly ideas that look good in the Media.

They do seem a little left behind now... In a year's time first time buyers will not have a problem with the house prices falling so why give them big debts now when it is possible they will be without a job before the recession is over.

I think the "councils buying houses with mortgage arrears" is doomed to fail too as all houses have different equity even some negative with 125% mortgages, so there would have to be so many conditions included in this strategy that I doubt hardly any houses would qualify for this.

rpst 03 Sep 2008, 9:52am

Experience has shown that two and half times income is the maximum sustainable borrowing in the long run, if an individual is pay back the interest and the capital on the loan and have spare income for other matters such as food, heating leisure and family. If average household incomes are £35,000 this implies the long term sustainable borrowings of £87,500 on average. Add a buyers equity contribution (deposit) of £12,250, just over 10%, gives a sustainable average price of £100,000. The implications of this are that either prices have a long way to fall, or equity contributions have to rise or average incomes have to rise significantly (inflation up?), probably a combination of all three.

bimber 03 Sep 2008, 9:52am

@carlbos

Unfortunately we have to be aware of market conditions when we but something as expensive as a house using borrowed money, even if we don't consider it to be an investment. If you take out mortgage on 5x income and then find that interest rates go up significantly you will definitely have to think about making a profit every day, just to keep up the payments to keep a roof over your head. If, like Cliff, you apply a bit of analysis to the market you can save yourself a lot of effort in the long run.

teaboy100 03 Sep 2008, 9:53am

"Desperate, cash-strapped property developers..." ! Are these the same develpers who raked in billions of pounds in previous years? Forgive me for not feeling sorry for them..
These 3 'new' actions only reinforce the fact that this government with its unelected leader don't have a clue how to run this country.
In any household, if money is becoming more scare, you make savings in all areas possible. The government should be making every effort to reduce spending instead of further wasting the dwindling tax pot with hairbrained schemes.

gavinb31 03 Sep 2008, 9:53am

Why do we believe that the government can ever make a real difference? Economics on this scale is driven largely by sentiment (think of share prices) and is also subject to chaos theory, i.e. fundamentally uncontrollable. We are good at talking ourselves into a recession after all (thanks Darling), whereas the Americans seem to talk themselves out of it. House prices change with simple supply and demand, but demand changes in a very complex and unpredictable way. Supply could be improved, by the government, with incentives to build on brownfield sites (which cost more to develop) rather than our precious green fields. Thankfully, the market stabilises itself at the end of the day. Drawing a line through the wobbly graph will simply show that house prices, at least the FTB portion, are always linked to average earnings.

neilsden 03 Sep 2008, 9:55am

May cost up to £600 million? Utter nonsense.

Here's why they're doing the £175k bit.

The tax income from stamp duty - and current lack of it due to fewer transactions - might be kickstarted if they can encourage the lower end of the market to get going again.

£600m? No. To "lose" that would require 400,000 or so lower end home moves within a year, with no higher priced homes involved in chains.

AdrianStannard 03 Sep 2008, 9:56am

Cliff D'Arcy and some people here are either incredibly stupid, or else do not represent the typical house owner. A fall in house prices is a good thing, even for the average house owner, a) because the value of a house is meaningless if you live in it, b) because if you want to move up the housing ladder, the rungs are getting closer together.

Only suckers who got in on the borrow-to-let hype will lose out, thinking they needed to ensure they will have more money in retirement than in working life without realising they should have less outgoings. Houses still have a long way to fall before they are representative of their true value (land + construction costs + 50% profit), their current value still nothing more than numbers out of the sky. Houses are homes, not investments. Keep repeating it.

TheDemocrat 03 Sep 2008, 10:02am

I agree with Cliff that the 175K will set a ceiling on house prices so that your 190K property will almost inevitably have to compete at the lower level. In view of the fact that stamp duty on homes was never intended to tax ordinary folk, surely the answer would have been to start at 250K and make this permanent. But the real issue is the mortgage famine. It won't matter whether your prospective purchase is 190K, 175K or 125K if the lending institution can't or won't lend you the money and I can't see any of these measures addressing this issue.

churchill123 03 Sep 2008, 10:15am

Precisely right Democrat. Reckless lending has driven prices here as they have in the USA, so when the lending dries up, stagnation and price drops are bound to be the net effect.

EuroCash 03 Sep 2008, 10:21am

I agree with Cliff completely. One point I think is missing though is why is the Government even trying to bail out people who have over borrowed in the first place? It annoys me immensely when I hear people saying they can no longer make their mortgage payments once they come out of their Fixed or Discounted period. Agreements always state “Your home is at risk if you don’t continue to make payments”. Sure there will always be genuine cases where people find themselves in difficult circumstances through no fault of their own. But that’s not the majority. When I took out my second Mortgage, a good number of years ago, rates were around 11% and increased to around 13%. So in relative terms today’s rates are very low. The fact is people have over borrowed and hence created their own problems. As an individual who pay’s bucket loads of tax each year I am out