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Published in Property and Home on 15 April 2008

House prices are falling at their fastest rate since 1978 - but if you've already put in an offer, what should you do? Here are our five top tips to successful gazundering.

You can almost smell the fear.

The Royal Institution Of Chartered Surveyors has just published its gloomiest view on house prices since the records began in 1978.

In March, 78.5% more surveyors reported a fall rather than a rise in house prices -- a record low.

It is now the eighth month in a row that the Royal Institute of Chartered Surveyors (RICS) house price index has reported a drop in property prices.

The worst falls were in the East Midlands, where 89% more surveyors reported a fall rather than a rise in house prices.

RICS, however, remains relatively upbeat, claiming that while "sentiment is at a very low ebb and will continue to remain depressed", lack of new supply of housing means "a significant crash remains unlikely".

Still, it is a scary time to be a homeowner. But what about if you're a buyer? How can you use the current market to your advantage?  And what should you do if you're selling?

The Murky World Of Gazundering

With the pace of house price falls picking up - Halifax reported a 2.5% dip last month, as opposed to a 1% drop over the last quarter - the practice of gazundering is coming back into fashion.

Most of us have heard of gazumping: when you've made an offer on a property, which is accepted by the seller, only to find that the sale falls through because the seller accepts a higher offer from another buyer.

I was gazumped myself and, as I told David Kuo, in our podcast A-Gazumping We Shall Go last year, it was not a pleasant experience.

Gazundering is the exact opposite of gazumping.  You put in an offer on a property, which is accepted, only to turn around before contracts are exchanged and lower your offer. The seller then has to decide whether to forgo the sale, potentially losing the chance to buy the property he/she wants, or take the reduction in price on the chin.

You may think such a practice is unethical or even immoral. But in a market where prices are falling rapidly, I think it is understandable -- even though, after my own experience, I feel a lot of sympathy for the homeowner left in the lurch.

The trouble is, the home-buying process often takes months to complete. If prices have fallen 1 or 2% over this period, it makes sense to try to reduce the price you are paying by a similar figure --especially if a similar property down the road has come on the market for less, or someone has tried to gazunder you.

Of course, you may not be successful. And by lowering your offer, you are taking the risk that the sale could fall through -- a sale on which you may have spent thousands of pounds in legal and mortgage fees.

So - faint-hearted homebuyers should look away now - here's a step-by-step guide to successful gazundering:

1. Do your research.

You need to find out how much properties have fallen in price in your area since you made your original offer.

A good place to start is by looking at the PropertySnake website. It will show you properties near your postcode, currently on offer, that have been reduced in price recently. You could also use the Nationwide house price calculator to examine how much a property in your region would have fallen since last quarter, on average, and read up on the latest house price index from Halifax.

And keep checking those estate agents' windows. You never know when a similar property nearby may come up for sale at a lower price.

2. Check your conveyancer's contract carefully

Many firms will not charge you a fee for the work they have done, if the sale breaks down before completion. Considering legal fees can range from £500 to over £1,000, this could be a significant saving if the seller calls your bluff and the deal falls through. So check your contract!

3. Get a Homebuyer's Report

If your surveyor finds something wrong with the property, such as damp or dodgy electrics, find a firm that will give you a free quote for the work. Then cut your offer by the cost of the quote. If you're really cheeky, and it's a substantial problem like subsidence, you could even try to reduce your offer further.

4. Communicate with the estate agent and the seller.

Explain why you are gazundering - for example, because next door's is for sale for £10,000 less, or because your own buyer has gazundered you. (In the boom times, it was quite natural to pass an increase in the price of the top property down the chain, so everyone paid more. Now, you may be able to do the opposite and pass a decrease in the price of your home up the chain instead.)

If the estate agent and seller think you are being reasonable or have justification for reducing the price, then you stand a far greater chance of getting your offer accepted than if they think you are taking the mickey.

5. Be prepared to move quickly

If you can convince the seller that if he/she accepts your offer, you'll exchange contracts on the property immediately without further delay, he/she will be much more likely to accept the price cut and just get it over with. If, on the other hand, the seller suspects you are going to delay and then try to gazunder again, you may just lose out altogether.

Of course, the most honourable practice is to make a fair offer in the first place and then stick to it. I guess it all boils down to what you value more highly: your honour -- or more cash in your pocket.

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NPFRogers 15 Apr 2008, 5:01pm

The problem with the theory of gazundering is that the person attempting to change the price must be in control of the negotiation. With gazumping the seller can ask for more or not sell the property they own. With gazundering the buyer attempts to change the price on something they do not own. The seller only has to keep their nerve for it to fail. As long as the property was correctly valued in the first place any buyer is unlikely to succeed in this negotiation. The media are sensationalising the market situation. If you aren't a first time buyer then the effects of the mortgage market are minimal since you already have plenty of equity for your deposit. The rest is just hype!

jonesjeff 15 Apr 2008, 7:07pm

The person buying has equal power in the negotiations, as both parties need agreement for a sale to proceed. The seller can say no & not sell. The buyer can say no & carry on in his current residence, or find another property.

advertisment 16 Apr 2008, 12:03am

The problem with the theory of gazumping is that the person attempting to change the price must be in control of the negotiation. With gazundring the buyer can ask for less or not part with the cash they own. With gazumping the seller attempts to change the price on something they do not own. The buyer only has to keep their nerve for it to fail. As long as the property was correctly valued in the first place any seller is unlikely to succeed in this negotiation. The media are sensationalising the market situation. If you are a first time buyer then the effects of the mortgage market are great since you are not watching what equity you have in your home disappear. The rest is just hype! - to NFP Rogers, its just an exchange of cash for bricks and morter.

Hollie1 16 Apr 2008, 6:10am

HIPS will prevent gazumping and gazundering -that is partly their purpose, as well as speeding up the buying/selling process

613646 16 Apr 2008, 7:01am

You are right, I do think it unethical and in these times of stress and pressure where some families only hope to try and put things right and keep their heads above water is to sell their treasured property, only to find when they are hard pressed to find the costs involved in putting their house on the market that there are people out there who are willing to stick the knife in even further and put these people under even more pressure. I am very surprised you are encouraging this behaviour.

jeffslaw 16 Apr 2008, 7:05am

I have just reluctantly withdrawn from a purchase rather than gazunder. My own house has failed to pull in a purchaser and although I had not made my purchase dependent on my sale, the change in market conditions left me with the bleak future of holding two rather than one depreciating asset. I shall miss the house I was after, but I had to let the vendor have the chance of securing a sale elsewhere. If, on the other hand, the vendor fails to sell and I find a buyer for my own property probably at a lower price than I had previously hoped, I shall then be in a position to renegotiate the price on my purchase without an assault on my conscience. Of course, in the meantime the house I want may sell to someone else; or the vendor may stick to his guns but as a cash purchaser in an almost dead market I believe I will be an almost irresistible force. Irresistible at last!

cityboy65 16 Apr 2008, 7:31am

Am I the only person to be appalled at the lack of honour and ethics contained in Ms Werbner's article? Are times really so hard that we must stoop to such low tactics?

stumac100 16 Apr 2008, 7:35am

Cityboy65 - you are not the only person to be appalled. This article is encouraging one of the more unsavoury practices in the housing market. It would have been more sensible to take the opposite view - how to protect yourself against someone who is trying to gazunder you.
I am very surprised that its been published.

Tortoise1000 16 Apr 2008, 7:38am

What an unpleasant little piece. This author generally writes poorly but, until now, not unethically. I don't like this kind of thing in my inbox. Is there some way of filtering it out?

rubbl3 16 Apr 2008, 7:39am

Or alternatively, just don't buy a house. This time next year they'll be at least 10% cheaper. That's 20 grand on the average house!

stu531 16 Apr 2008, 7:39am

Seriously unimpressed with this article!

I've come to respect a lot of what MF says, but this is below the ethical belt. Many people who receive this email will have been investors and will now want to sell - this hardly provides motivating, insider knowledge. Please don't post articles without thinking how it may affect your target audience.

rubbl3 16 Apr 2008, 7:40am

Oh and good luck getting a mortgage, BTW. Lenders are currently pulling out of the market on an hourly basis! What do you reckon that means for house prices?

rosh1 16 Apr 2008, 7:46am

"Still, it is a scary time to be a homeowner." says Ms Werbner. But only if you need to sell. Most of us are happy to live in our homes, enjoy them and not get sucked into worrying whether it is worth more or less than yesterday. However, if we look at our property as just an asset, then hard negotiation of the type suggested here is just another business tactic and in any market it's going to happen. Of course, let's not forget that there are parts of the UK where the housing market is still ticking along nicely and where there are legal restrictions on gazumping and gazundering.

mimote1 16 Apr 2008, 8:17am

Whilst I agree that the content of the article is a little unsavoury and not something I would want to be party to I do appreciate it being covered as I am sure that it is a "reality" in the market and MF is known for its candour. Isn't the purpose of journalism to report both sides. I say don't shoot the messenger just because you don't like the message.

Smifta 16 Apr 2008, 8:19am

I also am very appaled by thi article; Not the subject matter itself but the sheer fact you are encouraging these, somewhat shady, tactics. "So - faint-hearted homebuyers should look away now - here's a step-by-step guide to successful gazundering:" Please explain yourself!

scotsman69 16 Apr 2008, 8:20am

I am a property investor and I believe this process is unethical, If prices fell after I agreed to purchase a property I would honour the agreement. I value my integrity higher than trying to screw a vendor after we had agreed on a deal.

arbitter 16 Apr 2008, 8:33am

I read the article with interest and I suppose without any real suprise.... what did suprise me though was the comment that 'this was below the belt' or 'this is unethical'..... Hello? wakeup we are talkng Pounds, shillings and pence here ( Im old so I remember these)and if people can save money they will try to do so - comments suggesting that we shouldnt write about this are a little bit naive in the extreme, do you really think because we say its 'not right' that it wont happen ? C'mon get real Fools - its a wicked Worldout there . I for one want to hear all the views and not just the puritan.

dsimFool 16 Apr 2008, 8:35am

Very surprised and disappointed at this cyncial suggestion/article. Indeed inview of the general limited and possibly biased views often expressed - good deals on credit cards seem to miss most of the really good deals and are limited to the obvious ones - I shall stop viewing your site.

Anfauglir 16 Apr 2008, 8:37am

Ethical? Depends.

If you offered £250k for a house - but between the time of the offer and exchange of contracts the external garage collapsed - would you feel obliged to honour your original offer? Would you stick to your word if the nearby railway station closed down? If the local council announced the new town dump would be sited across the road?

I doubt in any case you would feel that you would need to stick to your original offer - which was for something very specific. When you buy a house, you AREN'T buying just a collection of bricks, you are buying an holistic whole of physical assets, location, ameneties, and so on. If any part of that whole changes, then your offer is no longer relevant to what you are buying.

Similarly, if you made an offer for a house worth £X,000, and you then find it is worth tens of thousands of pounds less, then your original offer is again no longer relevant, and I can't see why it should be considered as a special case.

To those who are still horrified: what if you offered £250k for a property, and then we had a REAL crash - to the extent the place was now worth only perhaps £100k.

Would you still pay the £250k you first offered?

hughjmilsom 16 Apr 2008, 8:49am

Not impressed by this article. Perhaps time to move on and find a financial website with a higher set of morals.

tconant 16 Apr 2008, 8:57am

Hollie1 - How does HIPS prevent gazumping and gazundering? It may (or not!) speed up the buying/selling process to reduce the risk of them happening but it certainly doesn't prevent it!

XtremeGardener 16 Apr 2008, 9:01am

I'm not sure why people are getting so upset about this article. It isn't encouraging gazundering for the sake of it but merely pointing out situations when it might be appropriate to revise an offer, e.g.
a) when the value of the property has fallen since the offer was made
b) when the survey reveals problems with the property
c) when the buyers circumstances change, for example they are offered less than expected for their property

In all of these situations a buyer would be foolish to stick to their original offer, and most sellers would prefer to renegotiate than lose a sale altogether.

billyboy121 16 Apr 2008, 9:07am

I must admit I do feel that this practice is highly unethical. The only situation which could remotely justify it is where you have been gazundered yourself in a chain, in which case you could at least have the price conversation with your own vendor. For a publication that constantly bangs on from its moral high horse about the sharp practices of financial institutions, it's slightly hypocritical of the Fool to publish something of this tone though.

AlBinSkyVin 16 Apr 2008, 9:12am

I remember the article on gazumping and it was strongly portayed in a negative light with support for legislation to prevent it.

How then can the Fool then appear to actively encourage gazundering? I can understand it perhaps during a rapid crash in house prices where the value of all homes in a chain is falling and the reduction is being passed along the chain, but here the Fool is encouraging this as a means of ripping people off- delibrately encouraging them to incur costs in finding a new home, survey, mortgage fees etc so that they are under more pressure to accept a lower price.

With the current rate of morally supsect and poorly thought out articles how long will it be before we see articles along the lines of "Get out of debt- Rob a bank.!" with the smug little rider, "I guess it all boils down to what you value more highly: your honour -- or more cash in your pocket."

Currently most of the Fools Articles are utter rubbish and really ammount to spam!

radiostar61 16 Apr 2008, 9:16am

THE NEXT NAIL IN THE COFFIN "GAZUNDERING" DO IT THE FOREIGN WAY(SPAIN) MAKE AN OFFER WELL BELOW GET IT ACCEPTED PAY YOUR 10% DEPOSIT AND IF THEYGET OFFERED MORE AND UNETICALLY TAKE IT YOU GET TWICE YOUR MONEY BACK, BIT LIKE POKER!!! WHO DARES WINS AND ALL THAT

babble2babble 16 Apr 2008, 9:38am

Give the writer a break, i thought it was informative. I am an investor about 3 weeks away from exchanging on another property and i have thought about pulling out which i know the vendor will be furious about (her existing tenant has given notice and moved out, the property has been empty for 2 months now, and the vendor has immigrated). i contemplated gazundering way before i read the article and am currently just seeing where the sale goes. If i gazunder at least she has 2 options! if i pull out she has only 1 - to remarket, probably at a lower price anyway and could well be another year before she sells. I'm an investor, property is how i make money, if you work in a shop and sales are down, you wouldnt accept a pay cut would you!? so... Gazundering i shall go!! Thanks Donna for your tips on how to go about it.

neptel 16 Apr 2008, 9:51am

In the age of cynical, manipulative, sensational journalism how encouraging to see the response from 'the general public' is distaste and negativity.

These 'Journos' are well paid for their 'considered thoughts', no matter how ill researched.

Journalistic hype takes little snippits of information or statistics and amplifies them to suit any argument. The East Midlands example is perfect - house prices have falled in East Midlands but have risen by a greater amount in West Midlands (a few miles apart).

Do we ever see this balance shown in reports - rarely. The Fool increasingly is ecoming just that - a Fool!.

Please get rid of this trailer trash journalism and report balanced facts.

brassine 16 Apr 2008, 9:54am

I don't see anything unethical about this, and I'm not sure why the author presented this as a dubious practice in the article. If the market value of the property has fallen prior to the actual sale, the buyer should feel free to try and renegotiate the price accordingly. I would not feel comfortable making such a major purchase if I knew I was paying more than the going rate, particularly knowing that in the current climate, the value is likely to continue to fall after the purchase.

Strebor19 16 Apr 2008, 10:00am

Well if I was selling my property and the buyer tried to gazunder there original offer I would just say NO and walk away from the deal .... Just out of principle even if I lost my purchase. If Estate agents had done an ethical job over the years then there would be no need for HIPS and this sort of thing would not be allowed to happen. The only good thing that can come out of this down turn in the housing market is that lots of Estate agents are going to loss there jobs, i hate them with a passion. With the internet now I see no reason why you cannot market your house on line, when you get a sale hand it over to your Solicitor as at the end of the day they do all the real work. Estate agents are just a middle man who complicate the whole process, calve up the market even decide which offers to pass on, favouring those buyers that complete a chain of the agents own houses or have agreed to take out a Mortgage via there advisor. Not to mention the best houses rarly even make it to the wider market as they go to builder mates or even them selves due to insider style dealing behind the Vendors back. Do away with the lot of them, and those blasted free news papers that come through the door every week full of the crap or over priced houses they cant sell. You can guess I have had a few bad experiences at the hands of these parasite's over the years. The only time it should be allowed to change the agreed price is to cover the cost of any MAJOR structual defects found following a survey and not made know in the original marketing details, period.

TMFVertigo 16 Apr 2008, 10:00am

dsimFool, you said "Indeed in view of the general limited and possibly biased views often expressed - good deals on credit cards seem to miss most of the really good deals and are limited to the obvious ones - I shall stop viewing your site."

Us writers are free to write what we want and the management at The Fool continues to respect our editorial integrity. I have said this before: if I was forced to write something that wasn't true then I would quit. All of our the Editorial team vigorously defends our independence.

Furthermore, when we write articles about, e.g. the top five credit cards, we ALWAYS tell you what the ACTUAL top five cards on the market are, and we put them in the correct order. We do not miss out credit cards, as you are suggesting. Our guidance is entirely independent.

Neil (a TMF writer)

choirgirlsop1 16 Apr 2008, 10:01am

People have become far too fixated on what their house is 'worth': in a free market, anything is worth only what someone else is prepared to pay for it. Those of us old enough to remember the last crash in the early 90s are all too aware of this: having bought our first house in 1984, we saw its value triple, then crash back to less than double in 8 years. We consider oursleves very lucky to have been able to trade up in 1992, and when after losing our first buyer we secured another at £10K less, yes, we gazundered the people we were buying from. We couldn't have proceeded otherwise, but as it was, they accepted our lower offer and were then able to buy the house they wanted. They could of course have said no, in which case everyone would have lost out. The vast majority of people buy houses to live in, not to make fortunes in property speculation.

Coutances 16 Apr 2008, 10:05am

Should adopt the European system - 5-10% down after a survey or home condition report done s0 any anololies can be agreed at the start. If one backs out through such a practice then you lose your deposit. Some safety valves need to be in place obviously like if its no direct fault of the vendor or buyer such as someone else down the chain defaulting. If this is the case then that person ends up with the bills. House buying is a serious business and should not be corrupted by selfish individuals.

geoffaries 16 Apr 2008, 10:07am

I was disappointed to read this article, and with regard to some of the replies who say we should get into the real world, well my friends I would say to those who appear to support gazundering, what goes around comes around and if you have such low morals as to renege on a deal into which you have freely entered then you deserve the contempt that I and many others feel for you.

Cassius103 16 Apr 2008, 10:08am

I for one am looking forward to a "cooling off" of the housing market. The last decade of rising prices has also seen a massive increase in people's greed and it is this greed that leads to unsavoury tactics such as gazumping and gazundering.

Patsy1948 16 Apr 2008, 10:12am

In Scotland a verbal agreement is binding so there is no gazumping or gazundering. If you agree to buy a house at a certain price then the seller can sue you if you don't come up with the money.

Emmi118 16 Apr 2008, 10:12am

I read this article with interest - I'm pleased we are given the opposite to gazumping. All those listed in Oatey's mail - add me onto the list please. I've been gazumped and its not pleasant. I wrote to the seller directly and got a letter back saying he'd been gazumped and it was all about the money. No sentiment in business as my dad puts it. I'm a flegling investor trying to get my second property. I'm sorry but I would definitely be monitoring the house price in the surrounding area during the sale process and if it became apparent I was paying over the odds - then I'd reasonably point this out with examples and offer less. Those that find this article 'unethical' must be sellers - they're certainly not investors who are struggling to get up to the magic number of 4 properties everyone tells me to aim for.

PERARDUA69 16 Apr 2008, 10:17am

And neptel hits the nail squarely on the head. If this article had been posted as 'How to get the best deal when buying a house' it would have been a little more acceptable, hyping it with 'smell the fear' and 'a step-by-step guide to successful gazundering' is the sort or journalese I came to the Fool to avoid. Getting a fair deal works both ways - Ms Werbner describes how being gazumped was not a pleasant experience then taps out an article encouraging more of the same to happen. So called 'tips' such as asking for any necessary repairs to be taken into account in the purchase price should be part of your standard negotiating practice no matter what the state of the market - would you not do the same if buying a secondhand car? Yes it is a free market out there and I hope babble2babble takes the same cheery attitude when his tenants decide to reduce the rent they are willing to pay or pull out of renting or builders increase the price on any quotes for work they offer him before continuing. It is a big bad world out there but there is no need to encourage behaviour that makes it moreso. It is good to see the generally negative tone of feedback on this article and I hope the author takes time out from her next piece to respond to some of the comments made here. How about an article to counter the tactics advocated in this one? Preferably written by someone else.

avfc2002 16 Apr 2008, 10:20am

Unethical, some of you have more money than financial acumen. Example, house price £105k,offer £100k accepted, £80k mortgage agreed in principle (80%). Bank surveyor values at £90k, mortgage now 89%, interest rate offer therefore upped with bigger arrangement fee! Why should I the buyer cover this cost?

In a market the fair price is the one accepted by both sides; with property this price is when the contracts in writing are exchanged; if you dont want to accept this situation auction it! Remember the words on the agents' boards SOLD SUBJECT TO CONTRACT, for once it works both ways.

If the vendor has overpriced the property it is either his or his agent's fault, the buyer offers subject to investigation, this is why land contacts in England are binding only in written form. With a rising market and gazzumping people tend to forget this, it is a shock when it goes the other way.

As someone who has been gazzumped several times, and now has cash, I cant wait to get my own back in several months time. Unethical, the price was artificially increased by the crazy situation over the last decade, the seller was lucky, he did not earn the equity by the sweat of his brow!

Sparkkle100 16 Apr 2008, 10:29am

This may not be the happiest of articles but well done for tackling it. Nasty as it is - the world out there is a cut throat 'dog eat dog' one, and I have no doubt an anxious concern of many a seller. And as for morals...seem generally in short supply! But how lovely to see so many of you outraged by it - there ARE sone good people out there. I am currently buying a house and aware that the price of my purchase has probably dropped since my offer. I can do with every penny I get as retirement looms in the not to distant future, but if I should attempt to 'gazunder' I would be going against the principle by which I try ro run my life. Its a very simple one, and if humanity could all adopt it, the world would indeed be a beautiful place - TREAT OTHERS AS YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE TREATED YOURSELF! So will be giving gazundering a miss and trust to karma!

prettyvacantl 16 Apr 2008, 10:36am

My goodness aren't customs different south of the border! Only two buyers I've came across in the past attempted to break their word on price on a property. Both English and both claimed it was business practice. I didn't sell to them, I wouldn't sell to the like of you and you would find yourself in court for such a ridiculous approach to life. When you buy a car, do you go back to the seller and offer them less if you see another one cheaper or in a prettier colour?

coleisgreat 16 Apr 2008, 10:48am

Without doubt the very worst article I have ever read on the fool site. We all want to save money and the correct thing to do is make a fair offer you are happy with in the first place. If you are in a situation where a prospective buyer attempts to do this to you (excluding situations where something major as come up in a survey) then my advice is always to stop all negotiations with the prospective buyer. Sellers MUST refuse to negotiate with these wholly disreputable people in order to prevent this disgraceful practice. The housing market in the UK has enough problems as it is without morons trying to gazump. What would happen if you tried to pay less at Tesco once they'd scanned your shopping and put it through the till? They'd refuse and possibly throw you out of the shop. Absolutely the stupidest and most reckless article ever.

mag67 16 Apr 2008, 10:49am

I agree with AVFC, most of the comments made here are naive. House prices are at a ridiculously high price based on the average UK salary. This is as a result of greedy banks doing anything they can to keep selling mortgages to people to the extent of offering self assessment mortgages to none self employed people, allowing them to borrow up to 10x their earnings. The senior banks employees got rich and now the banks are being bitten by sub prime/credit crunch and crying to the BOE for tax payers money.
Estate agents are out to get the maximum price possible, if they need to lie about expected rental income they will.

Homes are no longer just a home it is looked upon as an investment not just by BTL but also by the regular people as a supplement to their pension etc., You make your money when you buy a property not selling it, so you need to buy for the best possible price you can.

It can be said that a seller is greedy by trying to sell their property for substantially higher than what it is worth. What is it worth, well this should have some realistic relationship with what the average salary is, but the banks have messed his up and should pay.

TMFDonna 16 Apr 2008, 10:55am

It's good to see my article stirred up so much debate, although of course I think it is a shame some of you disliked it. As I said in the article, I agree that the best and most honourable practice is to make a fair offer in the first place and stick to it. However, like it or not, I think gazundering is going to take place more and more over the next year if house prices continue to fall. So I think it is only right that the Fool looks at this topic, rather than ignore it. Of course I could have taken the moral high ground. But I think, in this market, many readers would find an article like this more useful than a rant.

I also think that homeowners have benefited from astronomical increases in house prices over the past decade, and are trying to sell at around the top of the market. If their property is no longer worth the amount that has been offered, then maybe that holding the other party to the original offer is not all that honourable or admirable either. Just a thought...

Still, I like the suggestion for another article on how to protect yourself from gazundering. I will definitely see if The Fool can cover this.

Jalipa 16 Apr 2008, 10:57am

How is it ethical to pay too much for a thing?

A bloke once offered me a watch for 500 quid -- so I went and got the money to pay him and came back with friend who looked at it and told me that it was worth a 100 -- so I revised my offer. That is the current situation of the housing market -- overpriced.

pancho58 16 Apr 2008, 11:00am

Everthing depends on judging what the real market price is and in a time of such turbulence that's almost impossible.
If I was purchasing for investment purposes I would build in my estimate of the fall in prices and make an offer accordingly. Or else agree up front with the seller a formula if the price drops between offer and completion. Nothing unethical in that, why should the buyer take the full risk? If the seller doesn't like it walk away, you can always go back, it's a buyers market and there will be plenty more properties around.
Of course if I was buying because I loved the house as my home I may have a different view as to risk.

ChezBouFool 16 Apr 2008, 11:04am

I was the victim of gazundering at a time when I absolutely needed to sell (my wife was around 7 months pregnant at the time and we needed the bigger property) - we had to take the hit. It wasn't a pleasant experience, particularly given that the buyer was 100% aware of our situation.

There is the argument that housebuyers have always been victims of gazumping when the market has been strong, so now that the shoe is on the other foot, why shouldn't housebuyers take advantage of their stronger market position? My view is that 'zumping and 'zundering are both equally unpalatable practices and there need to be laws in place to prevent both practices going on, whatever the market conditions. The Scots have it absolutely right on this one - written offer, once accepted, is legally enforceable. End of.

Stubbing 16 Apr 2008, 11:09am

I am disgusted at Motley Fall for publishing this article and intend to junk their future mails to me. My parents are both in their 90s, disabled, housebound, and with no local family support. They are trying to sell up to move into Care. Their 'buyer' offered the full asking price so as to get their home taken off the market. He then substancially reduced the agreed price, and is now playing a waiting game by not responding to calls, leaving us all in limbo. It is high time that buying and selling of houses were regulated by law to protect people from despicable practices such as gasumping or gasundering.

ChezBouFool 16 Apr 2008, 11:11am

Also want to add that I too, was disappointed with the article ........ Tabloid'esque, sensationalistic and throwaway. "A step by step guide to succesful gazundering" which was preceeded by a feeble caveat that if you, the reader want to be involved in such murky practice, then read on, is pitiful.

mcr82 16 Apr 2008, 11:17am

What a bunch of softies we have on here! I'll wager that most of the posters are already homeowners and investors with mony behind them. I live in the south east and am looking to get on the property ladder but thanks to investors who are more than happy to profit from my rental income the house prices in my area are astronomical. Now, when i've saved hard for my deposit and can afford to buy, why should I immediately place myself in negative equity when I can least afford it? Ethical, no - reality, yes i'm afraid...

pandora696 16 Apr 2008, 11:19am

I read an article in the Guardian about this the other day as well and I have to say it makes me feel sick just to think about it. In the current market, you have to be mad to try and sell your home unless you absolutely have to. So I imagine a good proportion of people out there will be in similar situations – selling after divorce or separation, because they are in dire financial straits or having to move locations for work reasons. In my own case I’ve been trying to sell after an incredibly painful separation because I can’t afford the house, not because I’ll be moving to something bigger and better. I won’t be buying, I’ll be renting after this – if someone were to gazunder me, after all this time going through hell trying to get a buyer at all – I swear it might push me over the edge. It might come at a point when I’d had to sign a rental contract, which I would be tied into. We barely have any equity to speak of, and any share I have will only go part way to making life affordable after this, and pay back legal fees I have to borrow for. I really despair of some people if they don’t see that this is a wrong thing to do, as wrong as gazumping if not more so. You can always choose not to buy a house, sometimes you don’t have a choice but to sell.

thepaintingman 16 Apr 2008, 11:24am

Re HIPS. The Hype on HIPS is ABSOLUTE TOSH.
We rescued our neighbour when his buyer pulled out on completion day (after claiming they wanted to exchange and complete on the same day) and HE HAD a HIPS pack.
The BEST that can be said of HIPS is that it makes things easier for buyers on their first closer look at properties and it reduces VERY SLIGHTLY the chances that things will go wrong (and if they do there MAY BE someone you can sue)but.....read the small print and you see that there are no guarantees in a HIPS pack whatsoever. Alan Jenner

Hardtruth 16 Apr 2008, 11:26am

Boy do we have some pontificators online today. It's a jungle out there, get real. Brave article and well done for posting it. What it does point to indirectly is that some overdue reform of the house buying process in England is probably needed.

syliamarina 16 Apr 2008,