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Published in Household Bills on 23 July 2008

Even if you pay your bills on time, your energy supplier’s mistakes could be driving you into debt.

Last week, I reported that gas and electricity prices could swell by 50% before next February -- and gave Fools my opinion on the best way to avoid the price hikes.

Today, I’m afraid I have more sobering news for anyone tightening their belt at the moment: mistakes made by your energy supplier could see you slapped with a massive unforeseen bill.

Drifting into energy debt

It’s hard to believe that, even when you pay your bills on time or by direct debit, you can end up in debt to your energy company.

However, energy suppliers are only obliged to visit your home to read the meter once every two years. At all other times, they can estimate readings to work out what you owe them.

As a result, a third of all meter readings used by energy suppliers are estimated. This means -- as customer watchdog energywatch puts it -- that “one in three bills is potentially wrong”.

When you pay an incorrect bill, the transaction will either put you in credit with or in debt to the energy company you use. Unfortunately, in an era of rising prices, it’s more likely that the amount you pay won’t cover the cost of your energy.

Paying for your gas and electricity by direct debit won’t protect you from this problem, either. Because your agreement is likely to be at least partly based on estimated readings, it may be set too low.

Battered with a bill

I know all too well how frustrating it is to be confronted with energy arrears.

As the sole occupants of a small one bedroom flat, my partner and I don’t use a great deal of energy -- so we weren’t surprised when the direct debits set up for us by our supplier were for small amounts.

A couple of months ago, we were surprised to receive what industry folk call a “catch up bill”, informing us that we owed more than £250 extra for gas and electricity.

Unfortunately, our experience is increasingly common. Citizens Advice reports that requests for help with demands for energy debts are increasing as fuel prices rise; and, according to Ofgem, around 2 million households in the UK are now in debt to their energy suppliers.

When our supplier spotted we were in arrears, the company quadrupled our monthly direct debit. But others have found their direct debits inflated by much more, as companies insist they cover their costs.

Elsewhere, energy customers have received unexpected catch up bills for huge sums -- in some cases, up to £1000.

Why are we playing catch up?

You might wonder why energy debts are allowed to develop at all. While estimated readings are an obvious problem, surely your energy supplier can check your account regularly to make sure you aren’t building up arrears?

The problem is, while ‘reassessments’ do take place, they’re carried out too infrequently. There are no rules on how often energy companies must look at their customers’ accounts, so some suppliers might only review them once a year.

If you pay by direct debit, some suppliers may review your account every six months to check that your payments are high enough.

However, customers who pay quarterly bills based on estimated readings could find themselves waiting even longer for their energy debt to be noticed -- possibly until an actual meter reading takes place.

How to prevent energy arrears

In my opinion, the current billing system provides consumers with inadequate protection from energy debt.

Thankfully, there are plans to roll out Smart Metering across the UK.

Smart meters are digital devices with a direct connection to your energy supplier, which allow them to track your actual energy usage. When the system is in place, unforeseen energy arrears should become a thing of the past.

However, Smart Metering may not be in place for another ten years. So what can you do in the meantime?

1. Always check your bills and statements. Ensure that your account number, details and tariff are accurate, and always check the letter after the reading on your bill.

The letter [E] means that the reading is an estimate, while [A] means the reading is actual.

2. Don’t accept estimated readings. If your bill is based on an estimated reading, call your energy supplier and ask them if you can supply a customer reading (which will show up as a [C] after the reading on your new bill).

Every energy company I spoke to about this issue said they’d recalculate a bill based on a customer reading, and then re-issue it. Some now make it incredibly easy for you to submit these by phone, online or even by text message.

3. Be more energy efficient. One way to address energy arrears -- and the issue of price rises -- is to become more energy efficient.

Government grants are available to help with this, and The Fool also has plenty of useful tips for energy saving here and here.

What if I already have energy debt?

Ofgem made it clear in its Debt And Disconnection Review that energy suppliers must do more to deal with customers who have arrears swiftly, positively and on an individual basis.

If you can’t pay a catch-up bill or are struggling to afford an increase in your direct debit, your supplier should give you the opportunity to pay in a way that is manageable and affordable -- so speak to them about your situation and negotiate this.

Hopefully, some of the tips in this article will see you stay safe from arrears.

Remember, as prices continue to climb we’re all in more danger of energy debt -- so now is a good time to adopt the habits that will help you.

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Penfold49 27 Jul 2008, 6:58am

I have had a very positive experience, so I know keeping an eye on your bills is the best thing all round. Several years ago I was a British Gas customer. My direct debits covered my gas and electric bills fine, always being in credit prior to the winter months. 3 times they tried to increase my direct debit amount for no clear reason. The first two times I talked to them and they returned me to my usual amount. The third time they tried it I switched supplier and told them exactly why I was changing. That day I switched to Atlantic Gas and Electric via the uswitch website and I haven't looked back since. At first my DD for the electric wasn't covering my costs (I have a three bed house, all my appliances are electric except for the central heating and a gas fire in the lounge that I don't use) but on the flip side I immediately built up a credit of £150 odd on my gas account. I rang them explained the situation, they happily agreed to my suggestion of transferring my credit from the gas account to the electric account AND to switch the DD amounts around so the higher DD was paying the Electric. This was done most efficiently. Atlantic only send bills out every 6 months now and only on an actual reading. This month I received my bills. I checked the readings verses their reading to ensure it was accurate...it was. I had a credit of £200 on my gas bill again and £50 on my electric bill. I believe I had been carrying a credit on my gas bill for some time and despite inevitable price increases this was only decreasing by less than a tenner each bill. I called them again to discuss my account, and within 5 minutes the call was completed. The outcome being that I have reduced my monthly DD for electric by £7 and received my £200 back to my bank account within 3 days. So far Atlantic have been the last to put up their prices, their customer service has been excellent and I look forward to getting a nice rebate each Christmas, which is the equivalent of a months DD just for being a DD payer. This was not meant to be an advert for Alantic Gas and Electric but if you are struggling with your fuel bills then I would recommend them just for the fast, friendly and efficient customer services!

mborshell 27 Jul 2008, 7:06am

As for smart meters, recently my gas meter was replaced there was nothing wrong with it and I assumed that it was being replaced by a smart one. On discussing this with the engineer I was told that the installed meters, which had a digital read out, were beng replaced because the batteries were failing and there was no way of replacing the batteries. The replacement meters were of the old analogue type used since time immemorial.So much for technical advancement and the energy suppliers.

crashbangwhallop 27 Jul 2008, 7:21am

My experience is much the same as Penfold49 except my gas and electric are through Ebico's Equigas and Equipower contracts supplied by Southern Electric.

There's a freephone number for customer service (including an automated customer reading) and they're always helpful and efficient when you speak to them about DD's and payments. They will instantly transfer (or refund) excess money between accounts and re-set DD amounts. None of this Computer say's No rubbish where they can't over-ride it for 3 months!

So, another recommendation.

204panadil 27 Jul 2008, 7:35am

Having found an electricity and gas supplier with excellent customer service and billing arrangements (Southern Electric) I don't bother with watching temporary disparities in tariffs from other companies or with web-sites which promise to save me money by switching suppliers. It's clear from comments by economists about the recent huge rises from EDF that all the main suppliers intend to put up their prices in turn. My opinion is that persuading people to switch suppliers is intended as a deliberate distraction from the real problems of the home energy market which are at least partly due to government inaction over the last ten years.

tinym50 27 Jul 2008, 8:25am

Every one should pay attention to an energy bill as it arrives to you. energy companies realise that when the meter man calls to read the meter you could be out. there is an option to read the meter yourself and text the reading to them. your text will be confirmed to you.As with all bills and statements that arrives to you, you should take time to read,check for accuracy and take any action required to rectify and discrepancies.I wonder how many of you d take time to do this?

andreww5 27 Jul 2008, 8:28am

I could not agree more with the comments made by Penfold49 ....Atlantic are streets ahead in terms of their customer service and ( as far as I can tell ) their tarrifs for both gas and electric.
I suggest all customers unfortunate enough to be served by EDF dump them at the earliest chance they can take.
They are ripping off their customers and deserve to lose each and every one of them.

pjpunter7 27 Jul 2008, 8:34am

One of the worst things the British government ever did was to sell off the energy assets of the UK.
Though we see websites like this one extolling the profitable virtues of companies like BG, I can't remember a time when vital resources were in the hands of such greedy, inefficient bunglers.
Not only is this very bad for customers, there is also a major security risk, which many have conveniently chosen to ignore.

Time to wake up and get real, imo!

bami1 27 Jul 2008, 8:42am

While I applaud the recent decision of Atlantic Electric and Gas to avoid estimated readings, and the easy option otherwise to have one's own reading used for a bill, it is a frequently-repeated fallacy that rising energy prices are a cause of serious arrears, as claimed by the article. This could only happen if one's usage has risen significantly above the historical level, which will of course cause arrears to develop anyway. Otherwise, even estimated bills will rise with current prices.

Our experience with the above company has generally been good, as noted by other respondents. But there was an occasion when they dramatically increased our monthly D.D. payments on both fuels, for no clear reason - I assumed a software bug. It prompted me to work out a suitable rate from our historical usage, which they accepted without argument.

Schmuel 27 Jul 2008, 8:43am

Hi there, I learned this lesson the hard way around 6 years ago after losing a relative, I let things slide and that was fatal.

NOW, about every four or five weeks I check the meters myself and ring up my Gas and Electricty suppliers and pass on my own readings asking at the same time who owes who how much and, with very few exceptions, I am treated courtiously and politely, girls are better a this job than men.

It is no great hardship, apart from hanging on sometimes, once you're thru it takes around five minutes per call and I do NOT use the automated service, I am of a generation that likes to speak to another human being. Which is something the majority of Companies should remember and or learn from.

brhosjm 27 Jul 2008, 8:45am

I agree with everyone else who sings Atlantics praises - they have excellent customer service and online billing- you can input your meter readings online and also check bills online. There is an upside to the practice of estimating meter readings- customers can provide their own readings and in this climate of rising prices if you overestimate your reading ahead of a price rise this results in a saving by paying for fuel at a lower price, even if you havent used it yet!! Has anyone else thought of this bonus.

motley222 27 Jul 2008, 8:54am

For at least the past 8 months I believe that energy companies, water companies and anyone else with whom you may have a Direct Debit payment instruction have been increasing your payments to optimise their cash flow.
This is generally done by making your most expensive month or quarter payment into your regular monthly or quarterly payment.
This puts your money in their account (excellent cash flow for them). They rationlaise it by saying that the computer can't accept a lesser figure, or that they have used estimated readings, or that they have projected your consumption based on the most recent, i.e. "worst" set of actual numbers.
I suppose on the bright side, in a rapidly rising market, they could be seen as preparing their victims for the unpleasant surprise!
But it is all about cash flow - and when they have your money as a cash surplus on their books, you then pay VAT on the surplus!!

Maddysmam 27 Jul 2008, 9:09am

I work for an energy company and can tell you if a customer wants a review on their DD I will simply input 4 or 5 previous bills based on actual or customer reads NOT estimated with number of days covered for each bill and use a calculator provided to give a figure. I round it up to the nearest pound and after getting the approval of my customer I amend the DD accordingly. There is no reason to over do it - credits can cause just as much extra admin costs as customers getting into debt. Trying to keep the payments accurate is important for customer and company

Mercurysage 27 Jul 2008, 9:19am

I changed from Powergen to EDF last June and had problems as soon as my first bill arrived. Despite having a meter reading i was sent a grossly exaggerated estimated bill which even included units from before I changed so they wanted me to pay for electricity I had already paid Powergen for. Not only that, they had revered my day 7 night readings. Despite telling EDF this straight away & despite their promises to look into it I continued to receive reminders for this obviously incorrect bill & even a threat to cut me off or send the debt collectors round.
Each subsequent bill was estimated (incorrectly) even though I had phoned in my readings and the day 7 night readings were still reversed though I made it clear which was which.
Phone calls & letters had little effect other than to put a stop on my account until they had looked into it. The stop on the account didn't work because I still received reminders & threats to cut me off. Although some of the people I spoke to were fairly reasonable & let me explain the problem most of the operators didn't want to listen & some even cut me off.
I wrote to Energywatch in May this year & they gave me a different EDF Customer Service to ring. The lady I spoke to listened carefully to everything I said & got back to me 2 days later with a revised bill which was at last correct and of course much cheaper than the estimated bils.
Why couldn't the other people I spoke to have solved the problem? It's easy to correct reversed readings but reversed readings bring in more money.

Always check bills.

If you're on economy 7 or 10 check the day/night readings haven't been reversed.

If you're having problems don't give up. I think the electricity companies hope to wear people down so that they will cave in & pay.

Unless you have no alternative don't pay by direct debit.

usmillers 27 Jul 2008, 9:35am

E-on ah E-on!
second row with them I was paying £60 a month for G&E they wanted to put it up to £95 I had been off work for just over 3 months with illness so our bill was higher than normal. it ended in me saying to them what do you want £60 a month or nothing, I carried on paying £60! over a course of 3 months the debt of £250 went down to £90 then because of the price increase I thought better put it up so tried to increase to £70 but the system wanted £121 double! emailed in, got a call, row started same thing do you want £70 or nothing! I'm paying £70. On comparison sites they still have my consumption as approx £65 for my property and life style E-on being 4th cheapest (this I told them) so I am not that far out our house is empty for a lot of the day as we both work. as these calls were whilst I was at work my work colleges heard most of the call several of them were amazed that I had the "courage" to argue. So how many others are actually paying far to much My family are growing up and we are starting to use less G&E because the kids are out a lot more know so in real terms we will stay at about the same costs. also I know British Gas work on a FIVE quarter year when estimating!which is why I left them cos my year only has FOUR! (they use current bill plus 4) And yes if they start on me again it will be goodbye and I read my meters monthly and input over the web.

dmarr51 27 Jul 2008, 9:35am

My supplier is Scottish Power, I had the gas installed to my house when we moved in 5 years ago which cost £600 going direct to Transco versus £1200 to go through BG (who use Transco).
I have since found out the following:-
1/The house previously had gas.
2/ You can have 2 meter point reference numbers (MPR) for 1 property.
3/ The meter readers (Siemens) can have the old MPR. The gas supplier the new one.
4/ The gas supplier can have the old MPR which they accept readings on but bill on the new MPR as estimated readings.
5/ The energy companies as of July 07 cannot back bill any further than 12 months.

I refuse to give meter readings over the phone as I do not get a discount for doing so. My argument for this is as a contractor if I don't go to work I don't get paid so why should I pay to do someone elses job for them. (Pedantic I know but I have both meter mounted on an outside wall which I know when they have been read because the meter reader leaves the doors swinging in the wind)

Consequently last year I spoke to energy watch who told me the 12 month back bill info. They also told me that as I had phoned Scottish power on numerous occasions telling them of the estimates (even though refusing to give meter reading) that I should now speak to them again tell them of the conversation with energywatch. Who sid the following "we suggest the customer supplies the correct reading with the correct MPR and the supplier starts the bill from zero and write off the outstanding balance (£1400 approx).

The result of this was Scottish Power backing down and writing off my debt. They told me they had found the mix up with the 2 MPR's and it would be correct billing from then on. Actually it's now coming up to 2 readings later both of which have been estimates I wait with anticipation. Would I reccommend this course of action?? Only if you have the courage to follow it through and the funds in the bank to pay in full if it goes wrong, it is stressful and a bit of a pain.

One other thing you state in your article that bills can be estimated for 24 months, this may be true but only for electric. Gas meters have to be checked every 12 months for health & safety reasons which is whilst they read the meter, if they do NOT carry this out they energy company is in breach of
A/ contract
B/ Health & Safety

Try waving that as a stick under you gas suppliers nose because we all know the HSE are like a Terrier with a Rat once they've sunk there teeth in.

Hitman101 27 Jul 2008, 9:40am

I think that energy suppliers should be compelled to publish their figures. I cring at the forthcoming rises in costs.

I certainly would like to know how specifically the rising price of oil affects the cost of gas and electricity? Why is the prices of gas and oil linked? Are there many Oil powered Electricity Stations?

How many Electricity company executives and senior and middle management staff will be paying themselves high 6 digit and 7 digit salaries and bonuses this year.

Since Meters are not inspected regularly I have to ask also what guarentee will there be if they read the meter 6 months after price hikes that they will correctly and accurately estimate your usage at the lower prices.

I would suggest the best tactic in this situation to soften the blow of rising utility bills is knowing when you meter is read, to call in an a reading at the time of a price hike. You may even be tempted to over estimate and like the energy companies - buy your gas/electricity in advance.

sweetlikehoney 27 Jul 2008, 9:42am

Perhaps I am missing the point that everyone's upset about, but i would rather spend £5/10 more by Direct Debit (regardless of whether it's based on estimates/to improve the companies cash flow etc) and build up credit than to risk the dreaded catch up bill.
I will always pay by DD, and when I changed suppliers recently, as I don't think the monthly payment is enough, I have increased it myself.

Hitman101 27 Jul 2008, 9:48am

I do hope that the Energy to power the Smart Meter and the communication costs whether the Smart Meter piggy backs your telephone line or uses an independant connection plus the cost of this new equipment does not lead to a jump in the cost of Gas/Electricity and the "rental" of such equipment.

Companies will always try to find some excuse to push up prices and to not reduce costs and prices whether justified or not

Frankly the cost of such equipment like Meters, pipes and cables for Electricity, Gas, and Phone/Cable services should be published and rental should be limited to to this cost indefinately. Perhaps if a meter needs replacing then the customer can contribute again.

brhosjm 27 Jul 2008, 9:49am

Re Mercurysage message about referring complaints to energywatch - suppliers are measured by the way they handle complaints - ( and as a welfare rights advisor I help many clients with bill problems). I have found that if your energy company does not resolve the problems straight away I would always contact energywatch. It seems to me that companies often have a dedicated team that deals with complains via energywatch because they have targets set by energywatch to deal with these complaints. Dont suffer at the hands of your energy supplier- contact energywatch - it has an amazing effect on the suppliers ability to resolve the problem promptly and accurately! Well done energywatch.

djginge 27 Jul 2008, 10:36am

I got a 2k bill off Powergen. I disputed their figures for 6 months (their numbers just didn't add up) and even got Energywatch involved, etc but I didn't get any reduction and was issued with bailiffs / debt collection letters. So I paid.
I switched to Scottish Power's online system where I enter the meter reading myself every 3 months a few days later.

nickyk 27 Jul 2008, 10:48am

In the good ole days an energy bill would arrive every quarter and you would have 30 days to pay in full. Some of us even waited past the red reminder letter to the black warning letter before we paid our bills!

The energy companies cottoned on that they were offering too much credit and rolled out the direct debit (DD) system to make payments "easier" for their customers.

Over the years the energy companies have decreased the terms of the DD agreements by increasing the amount of payment that they take each month (it is true prices up gone up as well!).

We now have a system where customers are asked to be in credit over summer months ready for the winters higher bills - and because its been happening so slowly this seems not too unreasonable!!

DD customers are slowly becoming prepay customers - cetainly during the summer months. As energy suppliers increase their cashflow and at the same time minimise potential losses from bad debts.

Personally I would rather have my money in my bank account than sitting interest free win an energy providers account but nowadays it is impossible to do this if I want a good rate.

Yes in the ole days you got a catch up bill.... but you new it was coming..... eventually! Nowadays the energy suppliers owe us money!!

emilyemily2 27 Jul 2008, 10:52am

We had a catch up bill from Powergen of £4500! We have a large house that is run purely on electricity (expensive I know but we're out of the way and a gas connection would be very expensive).
We sent online meter readings for over 2 years before receiving this bill after a meter reader came to read the meter. We assumed that they couldn't have received our previous meter readings, but when they added a meter reading history function to their website, we discovered that they had all our meter readings there. Apparently they had ignored them because they thought they would be wrong as they were quite high!
Admittedly I should have chased things up with them but I did have two babies in this time period and was somewhat busy. We disputed with them the fact that most of the catch up electricity was priced at their newer, more expensive rates and managed to get about £800 off the bill - we are now paying it off interest free over two years.
I am still debating whether to speak to OFGEM as suspiciously all our meter readings have disappeared from the account history - luckily I took a printout before they were removed.

deanrog 27 Jul 2008, 11:10am

The (until now) monopoly electricity supplier in Italy, ENEL, recently replaced meters by remote-readable ones quickly and with no fuss. Why can't UK companies do the same thing without taking ten years about it? Perhaps because they like having large interest-free loans from their customers?

I've found that EDF is often reluctant to accept readings lower than their estimate via the web. Not a great problem, however, as they have a free phone line (which must cost them quite a bit given how long you have to hold).

Lamegrapefruit 27 Jul 2008, 11:21am

When gas was first deregulated British Gas sent me a revised DD which reduced my payments. Six months later I applied to Scottish Power to change to them. I received no reply. A year later I spoke to a Scottish Power saleman about it. He investigated and found out British Gas had blocked the change because I owed them money. The only reason was because they had recommended I reduce my DD. I reported this to OFGAS but they did not help at all. I of course moved the account as quickly as possible. I wonder how many others were caught by this strategem? My advice is make sure that your account is up to date if you are considering moving.

GeofI 27 Jul 2008, 11:29am

Accounts running in credit...Hmmm. I have DD with Scottish Hydro for electric and currently at £50 pm. This year I have had one check (£130) and am expecting another in the next few days (£120 ish) for overpaid DD. While I know I overpay and they will willingly reduce the DD I find that having a small buffer zone and fairly regular refund quite reassuring, especially as I know if the money were in my main account it would be spent. Where-as at the moment all refund cheques will go into the savings account for a good while. To an extent this always protects me against rises in energy costs as well.

The major problem for those in Scotland (where i am) is that alot of houses are remote and rely on either tanked gas or oil (me) to run central heating. We are far more aware of the price rises than the average energy consumer. My oil system was fitted in October 2006 and I was paying 28p per litre for oil, my last delivery (march, less than one and a half years later) this was up to 48p per litre (pre VAT prices). When you have a minimum 900 litre fill limit (the tank holds 1300 litres) it certainly focuses you on the cost of heating / energy and ensures you check your other bills, and when and how hot the heating / water is on. Unfortunately the option of switching supplier is not so easy with these energy types but we have no option. Perhaps the Fool could look at these types of energy as I know many rural properties use these energies. Personally I'm just looking at a used vegtable oil or bio-diesel conversion to see if this can offset my 2400 litres / year usage.

I think it is too easy to allow yourself to 'forget' energy prices, pretending it's not happening and then run up a big bill. On the positive side Scottish Hydro attempt to check meters every six months and if the meter man misses you they generally ring for a customer reading or will book an appointment for a meter reading when your in. Obviously haveing an irregular oil bill really focuses the mind on prices of energy especially as I now believe heating oil has risen 100% in just under 2 years.

dmarr51 27 Jul 2008, 11:36am

At 10:52 on July 27 2008, emilyemily2 said:

We had a catch up bill from Powergen of £4500! We have a large house that is run purely on electricity (expensive I know but we're out of the way and a gas connection would be very expensive).
We sent online meter readings for over 2 years before receiving this bill after a meter reader came to read the meter. We assumed that they couldn't have received our previous meter readings, but when they added a meter reading history function to their website, we discovered that they had all our meter readings there. Apparently they had ignored them because they thought they would be wrong as they were quite high!
Admittedly I should have chased things up with them but I did have two babies in this time period and was somewhat busy. We disputed with them the fact that most of the catch up electricity was priced at their newer, more expensive rates and managed to get about £800 off the bill - we are now paying it off interest free over two years.
I am still debating whether to speak to OFGEM as suspiciously all our meter readings have disappeared from the account history - luckily I took a printout before they were removed.

I suggest you speak to Energywatch especially if you can prove that your supplier had the information but did not utilise it. It seems to me that we are too unwilling to stand up for ourselves in thiis country & get bullied by large corporations & government alike. If you supplied the supplier with correct readings and they CHOSE NOT to act on them why should you be financially out of pocket??

uwpiggybox 27 Jul 2008, 12:18pm

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whiteburn 27 Jul 2008, 12:23pm

I also live in a very rural location. Gas pipline at the bottom of our field..but not for us.
We have oil heating/hot water. we check the prices of companies each year. We share this chore with friends. However we pay by standing order - £50/mth for a 2 bed house- and the tanker driver checks the oil level every time he passes our farm thus avoiding the panic I had 3 years ago when we nearly ran out of oil 2 days befor x-mas, due to a stuck fuel guage, and a very hefty bill.
The cost of the fuel is calculated when there is a delivery so I cant buy in advance of a new price hike.
Because we are a farm we are on a comercial electric rate (higher than domestic), even though the electricity only supplies the house and one small out building.
It would be difficult to do a national comparison of oil prices as the suppliers are local and there are so many of them the results would be too fragmented.
I have planted 100 hazel and 100 ash trees in the corners of fields (which I will coppice) and along hedge lines and hope that they will supply me with fuel in my old age.

axeman101 27 Jul 2008, 12:28pm

I got caught out years ago by this. I swapped to another company which at the bottom of main website ( www.yuvme.co.uk ) has an option to send in the meter readings. I check the readings and send them in EVERY month, so my bills are spot on. £16 last month for gas...wahooo. Suppose I better make the most of it :-(

still21inside 27 Jul 2008, 1:02pm

I agree with Nickyk that I would rather have the money in my bank account than paying energy providers upfront. Till recently I paid by Direct Debit Quarterly in arrears with Scottish Power but have now changed to their 'capped till August 2009' rate. Unfortunately this is only available if you pay by Direct Debit monthly. However, I found that the rate for this is even cheaper than my previous package, so overall I'm winning even if rates don't go up.

I would highly recommend that you read your own meter regularly. I you find that you are using more than the estimate (and you are on a capped rate) you could then put the extra money aside in a savings account for when the inevitable Big Bill arrives rather than giving the money to the energy supplier upfront.

Interesting about smart meters. As far back as 1995 I was working in a shared office building and one of the companies there had invented and were trialling meters that could be read by radio from the road side. Energy companies really are takeing their time to catch up with this technology - this was 13 years ago!

2stressed 27 Jul 2008, 1:35pm

My story involved British Gas. We had been paying by direct debit and accrued a surplus, however in the Autumn 2007 they decided to repay the surplus AND reduce our direct debit payment by 60%! The consequence of this was that by May 2008 we had incurred a large debt which than caused our direct debit payments to increase by 350%.

If they in the Autumn they had either reduced our direct debit payments OR repaid the surplus we would have been fine. We were just going into the winter months! When we pointed this out to them they accepted that they had acted inappropriately but we would still have to suffer the increased direct debit payments.

We only discovered the changes via a courtesy call from their customer services. We immediately offered to make the a one off payment to repay the debt (thankfully this was possible if inconvenient just before our summer holidays) and were told that their call to simply to inform us of the changes and they had already set up the new direct debit amount.

Not wishing to be associated with a supplier that exhibited this level of arrogant incompetence we have moved to another supplier.

chaz25 27 Jul 2008, 1:53pm

I have had terrible experiences with several energy suppliers. British Gas and Npower were by far the worst. They'd set up amounts LESS than the cost of energy used, I am SURE quite deliberately, to get me hundreds of pounds in THEIR debt, to make it difficult, if not well nigh impossible to change suppliers, without the cash upfront.
THEN they'd put MASSIVE catch up monthly payments, eg from £35 TO £90 per month, and that was BEFORE the recent colossal HUGE price rises.

By the way, did the Thatcherites envisage BRITISH utilities being sold off to FOREIGN
eg French or Spanish concerns.

Incidentally, previous governments have KNOWN for MANY YEARS that we would have problems over oil prices and meeting demand for gas and electricity. They also knew imported food prices would rise dramatically.

These governments, LABOUR and CONSERVATIVE DID NOTHING .

They SHOULD have invested in cheap energy (WIND power is NOT cheap) eg Hydro-electricity.

They SHOULD have invested heavily in home grown produce.

We the ordinary people are suffering from MASS GOVERNMENT INCOMPETENCE OVER MANY YEARS.

I don't know or even have the slightest idea
how poorer people and people on fixed incomes
will meet heating bills in Winters to come.

PEOPLE CANNOT AFFORD TO PAY THEIR PRESENT BILLS. EVEN ON THE LOWEST TARIFFS (I won't say cheapest, there isn't cheap energy) EVEN WITH A PALTRY GOVERNMENT WINTER FUEL SUBSIDY.

GOVERNMENT WAKE UP - PEOPLE WILL BE DYING OF COLD THIS WINTER

susancarol44 27 Jul 2008, 3:37pm

I purchased a cleaver little gadget that shows me how much electricity I am using. I have been pleasantly surprised by some things, dish washer is now justified, but the immersion heater used so much, bearing in mind said dish washer and always using an instant shower, that I have turned it off. It has actually become something of a game to see just how much can be saved.Without any changes in lifestyle I am actually saving about 50%. Quite a wakeup call for just how much I was wasting by simple carelessness.

Monkey1309 27 Jul 2008, 11:41pm

My recent bill from Southern Electric had a letter stating that they were fazing out estimates for twice yearly readings and bills. This may help but could also add to the problem faced when you haven't paid enough.
My bill had been estimated and so had the one before - on the first estimate the starting figure was actually higher than than the actual reading I took on the day I received the bill. This meant that the estimate was higher than the closing figure, the opening figure for the next quarter and the closing figure for that quarter too. I sent my own reading and the bills were a lot smaller and in fact they owed me money on one fuel. I would recommend everyone sends in a reading every month to stop this happening. Its CRAZY..

Hitman101 28 Jul 2008, 12:18am

I'm considering looking into the possibility of alternative energy. I think that it is not inconceivable to save money with Solar Panels to heat water and thus reduce dependancy on gas/electricity. The water can be used partially for heating as well, and though it is a fairly substantial investment, these days it seems that it may actually pay for itself quite quickly. I also consider the possibility of using a floor based heating system than wall based as this requires less energy/hot water.

I have done a little browsing on alternative energy, there are it seems a number of inovative and motivated individuals have come up with ideas for their own systems. It would be particularly useful if the problem of efficent direct conversion of heat to electricity could be solved.

Perhaps if people invested in Alternative Energy, there would be less need to depend on Foreign suppliers, competition might increase (because right now there is absolutely no evidence that suppliers are competing for customers) and as such prices might drop a bit - either that or half the suppliers would go out of business.

Iniq 28 Jul 2008, 1:25am

Several points:

Point(1) YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PAY MONTHLY TO ENJOY THE CONVENIENCE OF PAYING BY DIRECT DEBIT. (I shout this because most energy companies seem to want to hide this fact.) Fair enough, many people like to pay their bill monthly because that is how they get their salary. However there is a snag: paying monthly requires such payments to be based on an estimate of your actual consumption, and as such, this is bound to be, to some extent, wrong. So you either end up lending them money (why should you want to do that?) or eventually being hit with an unexpectly large debt - and it is precisely to AVOID unexpectedly large debts that many people opt for monthly payment ...

I prefer the old way. I use fuel, once a quarter they measure how much I've used, and they send me a bill, which I check. In due course my bank pays it automatically. Seems simple, honest and straightforward to me. This is called a VARIABLE DIRECT DEBIT. Recommended.

Point (2) Whenever you get a bill, CHECK IT. There is no excuse for failing to do this. If it is an estimate, immediately take your own reading and 'phone it in. ALL energy suppliers allow you to this. Why pay bills based on guesswork? Doing that is what seems to have got so many posters here into trouble.

Point (3) EBICo are good. Good prices as well as efficient and courteous staff. Recommended.

Anfauglir 28 Jul 2008, 9:19am

I've had just such a problem with NPower, with them continually underestimating my bill. I changed tariff back in April and advised them and the new supplier of my final readings - but I am STILL waiting for a final bill from NPower so the account can be closed!

BishopUssher 28 Jul 2008, 9:54am

Please be AWARE.

This also applies to churches, church halls, etcetera. Even more so as they often don't appear when they are supposed to and the meter can go unread for years.

If you are involved with paying bills and so on in such places ensure that you are on the ball with the meter reading. Our last treasurer read the meters every fortnight to ensure there was no funny business and no billing errors.

Be pernickity, be obsessive, be certain what you owe for!

SlowClimber 28 Jul 2008, 10:41am

I use equipower and equigas and would highly recommend them. They are a social enterprise so keep their rates reasonable, and even better charge no more for paying for the actual amount used or for paying by means other than direct debit.

When I receive a bill I can ring through my actual reading and pay for what I have used. No credits are built up and no unexpected bills arrive either.

They don't feature in some of the price comparison sites as they don't pay commission to get customers so it might be worth checking them against your best quote from the price comparison sites before switching.

etlbajb 28 Jul 2008, 2:33pm

I HAVE JUST BEEN ASKED BY BGAS TO INCREASE MY DD BY 5 TIMES! ... AS I AM IN DEBIT.
ON LOOKING AT MY RECORDS , I HAVE NEVER RECEIVED A STATEMENT SINCE THE INITIAL ONE FOLLOWING MY TRANSFER TO BGAS! ... AND AT THAT TIME THEY ESTIMATED A MONTHLY DD OF 34 POUNDS WOULD COVER MY CONSUMPTION --- AND NOW WANT 180 PMONTH!

TMFLaura 30 Jul 2008, 9:44am

@etlbjab: If you're going to struggle with that (frankly ridiculous) increase, I'd suggest contacting British Gas and trying to negotiate the amount down. That's what my boyfriend and I did when we were slapped with a 4x increase. If they're unhelpful, you could also contact consumer watchdog energywatch or Citizens Advice. However, energy companies were warned by Ofgem at the start of this year that they need to deal with this issue more sensitively and effectively - so take no prisoners! Good luck.

dmarr51 01 Aug 2008, 7:35am

etlbjab

I suggest you contact energywatch, see my post further up. I went to them as Scottish power didn't have a correct reading for my meter. As of July 07 they cannot backbill anymore than 12 months (those are the rules). I would speak to energywatch they are pretty helpful

"However, as a result of the ‘super-complaint’ submitted by energywatch in April 2005 to the energy regulator, Ofgem (see below), energy companies have been told that, as of July 2006, they should no longer bill for any energy used by consumers more than two years previously where the company themselves has failed to provide a bill. As of July 2007, energy companies will be expected not to bill for any amount that dates back longer than a year." from energywatch website

also try speaking to BG and pointing this out. My circumstances were slightly different but the end result was them starting me from 0 again which kept over a £1000 in my account not theirs.

Wisemarsha 02 Aug 2008, 12:16pm

I was recently in receipt of a demand for £134 from my energy supplier e-on. This surprised and confused me as I had not changed companies and own a pre-payment meter, so how could I run up a debt on this type of meter? I phoned E-on and a lady explained that the debt was due to the fact that my meter had been changed from and old card meter to a key meter, and as my old meter could not be adjusted from their end, it was still charging me at the old rate and not at the current increased rate! I explained that i did not see how this was my fault, and as I am on a low income finding the £5 a week repayment they had suggested was frankly not going to happen! It was eventually agreed that a smaller amount would be deducted via my meter, however although they were very pleasant and accomodating I still feel that this was rather an unfair demand? Why should I have to suffer due to their lack of technology? Why didn't they change my meter when they changed their prices?

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