The Latest Bubble Just Got Even Bigger

Published in Investing Strategy on 25 August 2010

As gilt yields hit a 21-year low, investors are losing faith in shares. Buffett thinks they might be making a big mistake.

The double-dip recession is firmly back on the agenda.

In The Times, Bank of England policy maker Martin Weale was quoted as saying there is a "real risk" of a second recession in the UK. The Bank of England's latest economic forecasts are "putting a significant chance on the economy contracting over a four-quarter period" and that a new financial crisis is a danger that "can't be regarded as trivial".

Yikes. The FTSE 100 took fright yesterday, falling 1.5% to 5,155. It now trades back in correction territory, having fallen over 11% since it breached the 5,800 level in mid-April. As the old saying goes, we should have sold in May and gone away till St Leger Day.

Admittedly Mr Weale's comments weren't the only thing spooking the market, a collapse in US housing sales didn't help, but they most certainly did have the effect of seeing the 10-year gilt yield slump to 2.85%, its lowest level since at least 1989.

8% Interest Rates? You're Barking Mad

Yikes. The capital markets really do seem to be pricing in deflation, and not inflation. I wonder what our friend from Monday, Andrew Lilico, thinks now? He was warning interest rates may hit 8% in two years. I can already see my mock FTSE 10,000 prediction being, well, mocked. Shall we mock Mr Lilico already too?

He probably expects a little mocking. You don't make 'shock jock' predictions and expect to get away with little ridicule. On the contrary, you positively encourage it.

Do you think Mr Lilico is going to be changing his mind, just a couple of days after his extreme forecast? Not likely. Two years is quite some time away, and in this economy, literally anything can and will happen. Watch these spaces…

That said, the economy continues to limp along, just as it did on Monday, just as it did last week, and just as its been doing for some time now. Martin Sorrell, the CEO of the world largest advertising company WPP Group (LSE: WPP), yesterday had his own unique take on the global economy.

A Long Hard Slog

"Whilst politicians, journalists, economists, analysts and investors argue about double-dips, inflation or deflation, the most likely scenario is a slow growth "slog", particularly in the mature geographical markets and traditional media markets, perhaps with inflation and higher interest rates in the long-term."

Slog. I like it.

This stock market is a slog. A little up, a bit more down, capital growth hard to come by, death by a thousand cuts, that sort of a slog. Oh well, at least we did have March 2009 to April 2010 not too long ago, a period when the market went up in an almost straight line, one of the fastest and biggest recoveries known to mankind.

We've had flat periods before. We'll have them again. In the big picture, over the course of years and decades, these slog days of summer will be long forgotten. For now, sit back and enjoy the dividends, and the long evenings, for autumn will soon be with us, as will leaves on the train lines. That will be the time to really get worried.

Do You Feel Lucky?

So what do investors do now? Oil is falling. Gold has come off the boil, presumably because inflation has been forgotten, for now. The stock market is depressed.

In a desperate attempt to find at least one asset class on the rise, investors are flocking to bonds and gilts. Their nominal values rise as their yields plumb new depths.

Do you feel lucky? Do you fancy the sub-3% yield from 10-year gilts? Do you fancy buying gilts when their yields are hitting 21-year lows?

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The Latest Bubble?

Some people think bonds and gilts are the latest bubble. I don't think they're in bubble territory, but I'm giving them a very wide berth. Sure, yields could fall further, but over the medium term, I'd suggest the chances of you making a capital loss by investing in gilts today is quite high.

Which reminds me of Warren Buffett's comments from that famous New York Times Op-Ed written at the peak of the financial crisis, October 2008…

"Today people who hold cash equivalents feel comfortable. They shouldn't. They have opted for a terrible long-term asset, one that pays virtually nothing and is certain to depreciate in value. Indeed, the policies that government will follow in its efforts to alleviate the current crisis will probably prove inflationary and therefore accelerate declines in the real value of cash accounts."

He did write it almost two years ago, and he may have a different opinion today, especially as the stock market has already risen 30% since then. But with interest rates at rock bottom and gilt yields at 21-year lows, you can imagine him saying something similar today.

The Missing Link

The stock market is missing a catalyst for it to move significantly higher. The obvious fact that blue chip shares like Vodafone (LSE: VOD) and J Sainsbury (LSE: SBRY) have dividend yields significantly above gilt yields is not enough to do it. We have to see rising house prices and/or falling unemployment, either here or in the US, and right now, there's more likelihood of Liverpool winning a game of football than those things happening.

Speaking of housing, and the US, yesterday sales of existing homes plunged 27.2% in July compared with June, their lowest level in more than 10 years. It hardly smacks of economic recovery, although the expiry of tax credits for homebuyers was a big factor in the drop. Still, it's no wonder the double-dip recession is back on the agenda.

More Double Dipping

Adding fuel to the fire, Chicago Federal Reserve Bank President Charles Evans said on Tuesday while a new contraction in the economy is still not the most likely scenario, high unemployment and a fractured housing sector make this recovery a fragile one. "A double dip is not the most likely outcome but I am concerned about how strong the recovery will be."

It's a slog.

Investors are seemingly losing faith in the stock market. These are likely the same investors who were euphorically investing in shares back in April, when the FTSE was riding high. 

At the rate we're going, they're likely to really hit the panic buttons if and when the FTSE plunges below 4,800, freaked out by some chartist calling for a Fibonacci retracement, or some such nonsense. Anyway, I thought Fibonacci was Man City's latest signing.

This Is How You Can Lose Money

Before you sell out in boredom, panic or fear, I'll leave the last word to Buffett. Quoting again from that October 2008 Op-Ed. In the 20th century, the Dow rose from 66 to 11,497.

"You might think it would have been impossible for an investor to lose money during a century marked by such an extraordinary gain. But some investors did. The hapless ones bought stocks only when they felt comfort in doing so and then proceeded to sell when the headlines made them queasy."

You decide.

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timthegambler 25 Aug 2010 , 11:05am

Please don't have a go at Liverpool.

Am I wrong in my logic, or is a period of slow growth and suppressed shares prices is good, if you are a long-term investor and are prepared to wait years for a decent capital return? Assuming that there will be a period of economic growth and share price increase afterwards?

Terrapin1 25 Aug 2010 , 12:33pm

there is 4 times as much money in the world compared to about 7 years ago- it has to go somewhere.

compound200 25 Aug 2010 , 3:01pm

is that printed money?

Luniversal 25 Aug 2010 , 3:04pm

In the early days of the Great Crash, folks were sure that the market would be 'taken in hand'. Nobody wanted to be ruined-- surely the Wise wouldn't allow it, they must have some magic tricks up their sleeves!

As the Great Crash broadened into the Great Depression, people swore that governments could and would prevent the economic recession, or contraction, or 'pause that refreshes', from sliding into a deflationary wilderness. Politicians could just pull up the tariff drawbridge, fix interest rates cheap or decree easier credit... couldn't they?

As early as 1900, conventional opinion held that there would be no more long, disastrous wars between the great powers because the world system was too interlaced and all would suffer. Surely all those national rivalries were hoplessly out of date? And after 1914-18 pacifism was even more in fashion, for a time.

Then since 1945 we've had the War on Drugs, the War on Terror, the War on Teenage Pregnancy and Vandalism, the War on Tax Dodgers and Dole Scroungers and Inflation, etc etc to temind us how brilliant governments are at spending our money to get results.

Nothing stops the likes of Buffett and his idolators declaring that nothing really horrible will happen to the global economy. All our rulers are so clever, so honest, so dedicated to the greatest happiness of the greatest global number that they just wouldn't allow it.

How could the cheerleaders afford openly to contemplate the dire alternative? To add a dose of much-needed versimilitude, the prophesy is usually for a {b}gradual{/b} upswing with a few mild setbacks along the way, since nobody believes in a quick return to the good old live-now-pay-later times.

However, there comes a time when all the cures the doctors can devise for a patient that has been over-indulging himself for decades with the doctors' silent complicity won't work. The patient's system cannot take the medicine.

centrum100 25 Aug 2010 , 3:30pm

The economic recovery has never been strong in the UK (remember earlier this year we were considering 0.1%) and if the Yanks think they will just about get away with staying in positive inflation then the prospects for the UK appear very bleak and a recession or negative growth if you will seems ever more likely. A 20-year low for Gilts does not auger well and the Stock Market is holding it's collective breath for October and the results of the Government spending review. Unfortunately being some what pessimistic right through this crisis started in 2007 I appear to have been right to rein back on stocks other than Cash ISA's, in line with Buffett's prediction of 2 years ago, which have been supporting a better rate than most other long term ideas. I think we are all a bit sceptical about the depth of plans of the New Coalition for the UK economy and the present situation of "wait and see" will prevail until their measures are confirmed and implemented. It is a worrying time for all I'm afraid but there is really not much sign of an improvement until 2012/13 at the earliest - I believe Sir Alex Ferguson once called it "squeaky bum time"!

brightncheerful 25 Aug 2010 , 5:02pm

Part of the problem, such as it is, because I think much of it is investor self-beating-up, is the UK stock market continuing to hang on to the shirt tails of the Dow Jones.

America is where you lose your shirt, China is where they make you a new one, that'll probably last as long if not longer, and cost you much less, That's the market the UK should be focussed on: not because it's China, but because that's where the money is.

Either that or increase interest rates to say 5% and stop all this QE nonsense and let the economy sort itself out naturally. Which I am certain it would do, if left to its devices, rather than have to suffer politicians and governments constantly tinkering with it.

rober00 25 Aug 2010 , 6:04pm

I am always amused by the "need" to justify random/variable acts on the stockmarket. After 12 years of "watching" these I have learned to ignore them all.

I am only concerned that my stockmarket strategy works, regardless of where the market goes.

I have (so far anyway!!) lived through all the ups and downs of my 12 years of participation. I have learned to ignore all of these pundits, sooth sayers and other assorted so called experts of whatever persuasion.

In the end result, it only what you achieve for yourself, in my opinion, that matters, unless of course one has to comment to earn a crust, in which case, all my sympathy.

AdAstra100 26 Aug 2010 , 8:14am

Couldn't agree more Roberoo.

Just keep an eye out for the odd contrarian move and ride the temporary blips blue chip shares.

curedum 26 Aug 2010 , 8:24am

The world economy now is much more integrated than in the 1930's and with the rise in emerging markets (esp. China) it's less dependant on the USA. The over-indebted countries such as the USA and UK must reduce their debt either by repaying it (and risking a prolonged period of poor - or negative - growth), or allow inflation to increase, corroding the real value of their debts.

The UK's RPI is still nearly 5% but the Bank of England daren't raise interest rates to control it because that would definately push us back into recession. Since the government withdrew index-linked savings certificates, savers find it virtually impossible to stay ahead of inflation - and that's gross, before tax.

It's clear that, whatever politicians may say, they're putting "the health of the economy" (short-term expediency) above controlling inflation. Therefore CPI will stay above 3% for a prolonged period, however "surprising" that may be for the Bank of England, before a final acceleration in CPI forces the Bank to raise interest rates back to normal levels. Then gilts collapse as investors elbow each other for the exit, followed by corporate bonds.

Over the next 5 years, it'll be mainly companies and funds with most of their business in the BRIC/Asia-Pacific areas which will prosper. America isn't finished yet, but like a great boxing champion even he can't stop time gradually weakening him, however hard he trains.

TheThrilla 30 Aug 2010 , 6:20pm

I agree that the government bonds are a bubble - to use Peter Schiff's metaphor - in search of a pin.

I have already cleared my government bonds, and switched over to other investments, so if - sorry, when - the gilts collapse, I'll be watching the storm in comfort.

Note that if the bond market collapses hard enough, it will force up interest rates.

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