5 Top Trading Tips From Alpesh Patel

Published in Investing Strategy on 15 December 2009

These simple but effective tips will make you a much better investor.

My regular morning bike ride helps me do 3 things…

1) Get out of the house and into the fresh air.

2) Keep relatively fit.

3) Listen to some of the great content freely available on the web.

For example, David Kuo hosts The Motley Fool's weekly podcast. You may know David from his TV appearances on BBC, Bloomberg and Sky, from his regular radio slots on BBC London and other stations or from reading his commentary and analysis on the FT and other newspapers and magazines. Or you may simply have run into him in a West End Chinese restaurant around lunchtime.

David is a very humble man, yet incredibly funny, happy and knowledgeable. He has his downsides, as he supports Chelsea Football club, a truly unfathomable decision to me as a QPR supporter. No-one is perfect.

This morning I listened to David's most recent podcast, an interview with renowned trader Alpesh Patel. As usual, it was an enlightening podcast, full of great tips from one of the UK's engaging, passionate, entertaining and knowledgeable investors.

You can subscribe for free to MoneyTalk, the Fool's weekly investment podcast, by clicking here. Or, if you want to read the full transcript of the interview with Alpesh, click here.

I picked up some very interesting tips from listening to Alpesh, my favourites being…

1) Discipline

The world's leading traders from New York and London and Chicago all agreed that discipline was the key ingredient for success.

It makes perfect sense. Many investors don't even have a strategy, let alone the discipline to execute on that strategy. Warren Buffett also agrees, saying "The most important quality for an investor is temperament, not intellect."

2) Time

We all know time is valuable. Many people say they'd like to work less and have more time for family, going to the football, the pub or the gym, but many don't simply do it.

Time spent on your investing activities is no different. Why spend 100 hours a year generating a £10,000 annual profit when you can probably achieve similar results in a fraction of the time? Says Alpesh, "…most people, they're getting about £10 to £5 an hour, they're almost getting minimum wage return on their portfolio investments."

3) Formulaic Investing

Following on from discipline and time, it follows that Alpesh's preferred stock-picking strategy is formulaic. Using software cheaply available on the internet, he says you can ignore all the excitement that a hot share tip heard at the local pub might bring, be disciplined and effectively have someone else do all the work for you.

Key ratios Alpesh looks at include price earnings ratios (the P/E), price earnings growth ratios (the PEG), earnings growth, year-on-year revenue growth, and for income-generating companies, dividend yields.

It sounds simple, but makes perfect sense.

4) A Concentrated Portfolio

Again, following on from the above, Alpesh says "Luckily you won't have that many names thrown up, but neither would you want them, because ideally you want a portfolio with maybe 12 to 14 stocks in it, not 100, like the funds, because if it's got a 100, I mean how bad can a stock picker be that he picks 100 stocks, because he can't even narrow it down to 12 decent ones?"

5) Private Investors Are Mugs

Alpesh didn't actually say those words, for he's far too polite. I'll say them instead.

But Alpesh did say this "…no businessman would ever let you pick stocks the way most private investors do, which is willy-nilly, a bit of rumour here, a bit of, oh there's an annual report sitting on the floor there, there's a newspaper rumour over there, there's a bit of Investors Chronicle over here, there's a bit of website over there -- could you ever run a business like that? -- of course not."

He went on to say "If it's only going to cost you a couple of hundred quid a year, far better to have invested that couple of hundred pounds a year to let somebody else do the work, as you would in a business, than try and do everything yourself and end up taking so much more of your time."

The Foolish Bottom Line

Time and discipline are the two recurring themes running through the podcast. Making investing profits is easier said than done, and if you don't have a strategy, and don't have the discipline to follow that strategy, you'll find yourself spending too much time making too little money.

Instead, consider having someone or something else do the hard work for you. Fund managers may not be the answer, as Alpesh says about them "I don't think they're that bright… they have large internal costs and they've got an incentive to advertise well, not to perform well" so perhaps you're better off looking at a newsletter service or investing in some software package.

If you're looking for the former, the Motley Fool's own Champion Shares PRO may be right up your alley. This real money portfolio is currently closed to new members, but if you click here, we'll alert you the instant it re-opens.

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lotontech 15 Dec 2009 , 11:45am

I too enjoyed Alpesh Patel's refreshingly un-Foolish podcast. And I say "un-Foolish" because I took away a different set of key messages that resonate much more strongly with real-life traders and trading writers like myself. My choice of key messages are:

1. Having the discipline to "get out of a position" when things don't go according to plan; i.e. to have an effective Stop Order policy.

2. Having a system that over the long term has a positive expectancy, where the winners on average offset the losers so that "overall the plan was skewed towards being profitable".

3. Don't "average down", but maybe do "average up" (i.e. pyramid successful positions).

4. Don't get hung up on holding "shares" when, for example, a spread-bet position in the same stock would be more effective.

5. Don't mentally commit to buying in to a company in order to justify the amount of time you have spent reading its annual reports!

6. Don't over-analyse and don't over-trade. (would you believe that manually-trailed stop orders cured my own over-trading -- because adjusting them to lock in profits gives me something productive to do rather than buying or selling?)

7. Don't trust anyone else, esp. a Fund Manager, to manage your investments.

All in all -- a really good original podcast / transcript, but the wrong set of "Top 5 Tips" from Bruce. Sorry :-(

Tony Loton

Tara1492 15 Dec 2009 , 2:18pm

It is really hard to find an economic way of having a small amount of capital efficiently invested. By the time you have read all the stuff about unit and investment trusts you feel you might as well invest in the shares themselves. This especially applies if, like me, you would rather not invest in tobacco shares. The reason most people who have capital to invest prefer to invest in property is that they can see what they are buying and know they won't get ripped off by insurance companies, financial advisers, pension providers, non-performing unit and investment trusts and all the rest. However if you are not too ambitious about what return you are getting and don't get sucked into speculation it is certainly possible to get 4% off a share portfolio plus the advantage that shares will reprice themselves to accommodate inflation and you should get capital appreciation as well. But first of all you have to repeat to yourself the mantra 'I will never invest in bank shares'. This is a recipe for investment and not speculation. I once read somewhere that 'a good share will always come back' and this is true - but you need to make sure it is a good share. Not a very macho philosophy but it works for me. And I do have shares in more than 12 companies at a time - you don't have to invest in all of them straight away but take a bit of time to read up and observe first.

curedum 15 Dec 2009 , 3:50pm

After many years of investing - often with mediocre results - I've come to the conclusion that the best investments are usually the most boring ones. Make a reasonable asset allocation then choose from cheap trackers, ETFs and large, general investment trusts. Don't try to be clever (you aren't) or "beat the market" (you probably won't). If you want excitement from your money, go to a casino.

There's no Fool like a (fairly) old Fool...

RobinnBanks 16 Dec 2009 , 12:02am

The interview with Alpesh Patel is well worth listening to - or read the transcript as I did.

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