Investing Is Not Gambling!

Published in Investing Strategy on 13 May 2009

Some people will tell us we shouldn't buy shares, because gambling is immoral. But investing and gambling are poles apart.

Leaving aside the morality question, is investing in shares really the same as gambling at all? Let's look at a few examples…

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Think of any corner shop, perhaps run by a friendly old chap (let’s call him "Arkwright"), selling all sorts of goodies at often unearthly hours -- the kind we would be lost without. Now, would you think of that shop owner in the same light as a regular at Gamblers Anonymous?

I expect you wouldn't, because running a shop is just a business, and we wouldn't really consider it in the same moral category as gambling.

Now what if that shop is successful, and old Arkwright wants to expand his business and open another shop, but doesn't want to go it alone? Suppose he offers you a chance to join him, injecting the cash needed for expansion in return for half of the business. You think that's a good plan, and so you end up with two shops, owned 50-50.

Would that make you a gambler? You're taking a risk, but again, I don't think many people would lump it in with playing the lottery.

Expansion

Now lets advance a number of years, when the firm of 'Arkwright & (Insert your name here)' has gone from success to success and owns a chain of shops, and you both decide you want to sell off some of your business to raise cash for a comfortable retirement. So you sell, say, half of it to new private investors. Are those new investors gamblers? Are they doing the same with their cash as putting it on a 20-1 outsider at Chepstow? I can't see how they'd be any different from the original owner who started up the business.

Flotation

Eventually, the owners of the firm might want to raise more money for further expansion, or make it easier to sell some of their share of the company as and when they might need some cash. So you all decide to go public, and 'Arkwright & Associates PLC' is incorporated and floated on the London Stock Exchange.

Individuals then buy and sell Arkwright shares, a discussion board for the company is opened on The Motley Fool, analysts start publishing their tips, and who knows, the company might even get a mention in Champion Shares!

What's the difference?

"I can't buy Arkwright shares, because gambling is immoral", some might cry. But what is the difference between owning all of Arkwright's corner shop and owning a small portion of Arkwright PLC? And where do you draw the line? Does a sole ownership constitute investing, but a two-person partnership is gambling? Or does it become gambling when the partnership expands further? If so, just how many shareholders does a company have to have for it to become 'gambling'?

I don't think any of these questions make sense, and owning a part share in a large company is no more gambling than owning an entire business yourself.

Two distinctions

I think there are two main differences between investing and gambling. For one, gambling is what is known as a zero-sum game, which means that you can only win what someone else loses, and I can understand moral objections to that (even if I don't necessarily share them).

But making money from investing in shares does not require someone else to lose money, and that is because the companies you are investing in actually generate new wealth from their business operations. It is, in fact, entirely possible for every single company on the stock market to generate profits and for nobody to lose (unlikely, I know, but possible).

And if you do lose money by investing in a company that performs poorly, that's really no different from your corner shop having a bad year.

Psychology

The other difference is really just a state of mind. If you invest for the short term, betting on which shares will go up today and which will go down, and if you're more interested in following the lines drawn on a share price chart than understanding your company's business performance, then I think you are probably in danger of being classed as a gambler.

But if your attitude is to approach buying shares as actually taking a stake in a company that you would like to own for the long term, and from which you want to take honest profits generated year after year, then I think that's a country mile away from gambling -- it's doing your bit to maintain this great nation of shopkeepers of ours.

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lotontech 13 May 2009 , 4:03pm

What about the noble investors who "owned" portions of the big banks thereby doing their bit to support Great Britain? Were their profits "honest"?

The obvious answer is "Not me gov, it was the rotten management", but are you an "owner" or not? See, with your 50% stake in Arkwright & A. N. Other the success or otherwise is down to you. But with small shareholdings in big companies you are of course gambling on things you can't control.

And what's the point in still owning a portion of the honest profits of that bastion of the British high street -- Woolworths? Well, those shares turned out to be a gamble, didn't they? ;-)

rober09 13 May 2009 , 5:08pm

Sorry Alan you are wrong, investing is a zero sum game I am afraid. There are always winners and losers, there are no draws!!!

bimber 13 May 2009 , 5:41pm

It is not a zero sum game. Wealth is created by the efficient use of capital to produce things of greater value than the sum of their parts. Someone who can invest his capital in efficient companies will get a share of that wealth as the value of his capital increases - there doesn't need to be a loser.

TMFBoing 13 May 2009 , 5:46pm

Hi rober09,

I think you misunderstand what a zero-sum game is. A zero-sum game is not simply a game in which there exist both winners and losers, but a game in which the total winnings equal the total losses.

And if you look at, say, the FTSE over the past century you'll see proof that investing in shares is very much not a zero-sum game, as its total value is vastly higher than it was 100 years ago. That's because, as I say, the companies are generating real profits to add to their values.

Foolish regards,
Alan Oscroft
TMFBoing

TMFBoing 13 May 2009 , 5:55pm

Hi lotontech,

Investing in shares (or running a corner shop) involves risk, yes, and if you equate any activity that carries a risk with gambling, then yes, you could classify investing as gambling. But then, you'd be classifying every human activity as gambling, and that wouldn't help one iota with any suggestion that "gambling is immoral".

When people talk about gambling being immoral, they're clearly not using the term to denote all activities involving risk, because if they did they'd be classifying all human activity as immoral.

Foolish regards,
Alan Oscroft
TMFBoing

lotontech 13 May 2009 , 6:25pm

Yes -- all human activity is a gamble, so we agree. I just don't understand where the question of morailty comes in. It is only immoral if it affects someone else.

I have no quarms whatsoever about "gambling" my own money on stocks via spread bets, and I see it as no less noble than holding a share certificate for my "investment" Arkwright Stores.

But if I were a banker who had gambled with other people's money in an equity-backed product that the customer had been advised to "hold for the long term", then I would hand my head in shame :-(

We're probably agreed on that too :-)

jonesjeff 13 May 2009 , 7:57pm

Investing is not gambling, as you expect to make a positive return from business profits.
Gambling is NOT immoral, just a matter of personal choice.

Esquilax100 13 May 2009 , 10:47pm

To some extent I think it's a question of semantics, but I've argued in this article that investing is gambling, of a sort:

http://www.fool.co.uk/news/investing/investing-strategy/2007/08/06/gambling-in-slow-motion.aspx

- Padraig

MaskedFinancier 14 May 2009 , 12:17am

The title of this article is both correct and incorrect in my opinion.

There is an element of investing that is not gambling because an investment in the company described is with a view to building a business.

It is wrong to say that investing is NOT a zero-sum game. There are many types of investing scenarios that are zero-sum games e.g. currencies, commodities futures. And in some cases investing can be a negative-sum game - like the dot-com boom and bust.

However, investing is alot like gambling, and one can learn many of the required skills for investing by learning to be "good at gambling". As an example, a number of the great hedge fund managers were at some point excellent poker or blackjack players.

One of the most important similarities between gambling and investing is risk management - it is critical to get this right in both fields. Unfortunately people make investments in companies as described above without paying proper attention to the risk management of their entire portfolio e.g. investing too high a proportion of their funds in the corner shop.

I have written a good deal about the similarities between investing and poker, and how playing poker can help learn to improve investing skills.
I have named this concept as Texas Holdem Investing, and would welcome feedback on this comment and my other writings.

lotontech 14 May 2009 , 8:02am

MaskedFinancier -- good comment :-)

Risk management / money management is crucial; which might mean placement of stop-loss orders, or good position sizing, or both.

You have to know when to hold'em and when to fold'em. And when (not) to bet the farm!

Terrapin1 14 May 2009 , 9:43am

Clearly some confusion- investing is NOT trading- you trade currencies and derivatives but invest or as I prefer 'speculate' with shares.
Risk is usually badly managed by people who buy shares, but traders understand risk and trade according to probable outcomes, which in the long run prove profitable. This can be futures options any number of instruments-even shares for those daft enough to try and trade them intra day.
A gambler would buy a lottery ticket- the company that owns the lottery is not a gambler, as its business model is based on the probability (or certainty) that millions of idiots will buy lottery tickets, and will lose.
Gamblers seek thrills traders who stay trading for more than 6 months, most definitely do not.
There are old traders, bold traders, but no old bold traders.

TMFBoing 14 May 2009 , 11:53am

Hi lotontech,

Yes -- all human activity is a gamble, so we agree. I just don't understand where the question of morailty comes in. It is only immoral if it affects someone else

The morality thing came from my having heard it argued (quite often) by some people that gambling is immoral in the sense that activities whereby you can only win if someone else loses (like betting on horses, playing the lottery, etc) are immoral. And they equate investing in shares with gambling in that sense.

Best,
Alan

TMFBoing 14 May 2009 , 11:59am

Hi MaskedFinancier,

It is wrong to say that investing is NOT a zero-sum game. There are many types of investing scenarios that are zero-sum games e.g. currencies, commodities futures.

Yes, you're quite right. I was really talking about investing in shares, my point really being that you can aim at taking the actual profits earned by the companies you own rather than only being able to win if other people lose.

Best,
Alan

Ohmagoad 14 May 2009 , 3:21pm

'Creating wealth' whether through Arkwright selling groceries, expansion of Arkwright & Co or successful investment in Arkwright PLC is all gambling, just like crossing the road is, or betting that going to church will get you to 'heaven', or backing Arkle who won the great majority of his races, but lost a few is.

Moreover there is no such thing as 'creating wealth'. All business is a 'zero sum' game. Whether Arkwright is taking his customer's money or Arkwright Plc is employing 50 new people or somebody is making money from appreciation in Arkwright's share price, nobody is minting new money. It is all being recycled, whether moving from customer to Arkwright; Arkwright to investor via dividend or to new employee via salary, Arkwright is not manufacturing money, just taking a greater share of the market away from the ranks of corner shops that he once belonged to or expanding like Tesco into new business areas and taking a slice of other markets.

There's no moral high ground here.

lotontech 14 May 2009 , 4:40pm

Ohmagoad,

Although I think that any form of investing is gambling, albeit 'educated gambling' unlike say roulette which is pure chance, I don't agree with you that there is no such thing as "creating wealth".

Wealth is not measured purely in money. When trapped on a desert island, if I know how to build a shelter then I am wealthier than the man who doesn't. If he knows how to catch fish, he is wealthier than me. We can trade some of his fish for some of my shelter in order to make us both wealthier. If he wants my shelter before he has caught the fish, he can write me an I.O.U. (like a promisary bank note from the "Bank of Man Who Can Fish"). Hey, we just invented money!

My point is that I agree with those who say that wealth can be created from ingenuity, and it is not a zero-sum game unless in the wider sense you count the 'losers' as the fish in the ocean and the trees used to build the shelter.

Although this is true investment (in our combined abilities to create a better future), it is also gambling to the extent that I need to have confidence in his I.O.U. and I might be wrong to trust him.

One could argue that trading (rather than investing) IS a zero sum game, because in each transaction there is a winner and loser. But is there really? The seller gets what he wants (which is to sell the shares) and the buyer gets what he wants (which is to buy the shares), so they are both wealthier to the extent that they both got what they wanted.

In any case, trading is a negative-sum game since the broker takes a cut from the buyer and seller on every transaction. This money being truly lost to both of them :-(

Ohmagoad 14 May 2009 , 5:26pm

Lotontech - I accept your point, if we are defining wealth more metaphysically as you have just done. However is that appropriate to this context? I don't think Arkwright is selling knowledge or self-improvement; he's selling groceries for cash, just like the Motley Fool and the author of this article make the means of accquisition of more cash their primary focus.
I feel that your argument falls down once we restore it's more conventional meaning to wealth (i.e. money).
The acid test is to insert 'money' rather than 'wealth' in your statement 'My point is that I agree with those who say that wealth can be created from ingenuity'. What's the ratio of ingenuity to copper and tin then?

lotontech 14 May 2009 , 5:52pm

I think that wealth as I have defined it is very physical, whereas money is metaphysical as merely a representation of wealth with no intrinsic value.

If we accept your assertion that money cannot be created, where did it all come from in the first place? It was invented as a mechanism by which people can promise each other real wealth in terms of products or services to be delivered at a later date. We can all make as many promises as we like, and print money to back them up, but it becomes meaningless when we all lose confidence in those promises.

I'm not the Bank of England, but I can create money today by writing you out a cheque for £1,000,000. Until you bank the cheque and find that it bounces, you will feel £1,000,000 richer "on paper", and you might even be able to convince a propective spouse that you are a millionaire (hence benefitting from the money you don't have); yet I will feel no poorer. "Money for Nothing" you might say, and everyone's a winner -- until the whole charade is exposed and we have our own mini credit crunch :-(

lotontech 14 May 2009 , 5:56pm

..by the way, the ratio of copper to ingenuity is 500-to-1.

In exchange for 500 of your shiny £1 copper coins I'll offer a day's ingenious "consultancy" ;-)

T.

Mohebra 16 May 2009 , 10:07am

In my view the difference between Gambling and Investing is Gambling is based on artificially created risks (turn of dice, horse winner (when you do not own the horse)etc.) and Investing is based on the ordinary (normal) risks of business.

Speculation is a hybrid of the two i.e. using derivativies to trade in or profit from share prices, currencies, metals or commodities price movements(one does not own the underlying item but uses his/her knowledge, skill, experience to predict the market price movement and attempt to profit from it).

keirfamily 18 May 2009 , 2:38pm

Suggestion - don't think of "investing v. gambling" as a binary decision - is or isn't. Think of it as a spectrum - 'bet the farm on the spin of a coin' at one end, and 'put seed in the ground and hope it grows' at the other.

Then think about where your sort of investing goes on the scale; risk of loss (as far as you know), probability of profit (afayk), and survivability (can you stand the loss?).

And watch the crops - do they need water, weeding or protection from thieves? Accordingly, add more funds, sell underperforming sections, and always look out for people trying to make money off you. Financial advisers have yachts, their clients have rubber ducks. DYOR!

EdmondJackson 19 May 2009 , 10:00am

This misses the key point, that the distinction between investing and gambling is that with stocks you try to identify a margin of safety through the financial metrics, management calibre, competitive position of the products/services, etc, to radically improve your risk/reward chances relative to the bookmakers.

Benjamin Graham introduced the margin of safety concept in the mid-20th century (cripes I'm feeling old, lol!) to distinguish investment from speculation, only he was very oriented to company financial statements and a modern revision of the concept most likely needs to judge some intangibles.

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