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Harvey Jones

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Published in Investing Strategy on 21 July 2008

Given the volatility afflicting the global economy, is there anywhere worth investing in at the moment?

Given the volatility afflicting the global economy, you might be wondering whether anywhere is worth investing in at the moment.

Most of the major markets have taken a caning, and only a brave investor would argue that the problems caused by the credit crunch and liquidity squeeze are over.

Markets were heavily oversold last week, but a subsequent dip in the oil price and rally in banking stocks has lifted the FTSE 100 to within tickling distance of 5400.

No way UK.

Good news, maybe, but I still fear this is yet another false start, and wouldn't put my money into UK PLC right now.

I swapped most of my UK investment funds for cash a couple of months ago, and see no reason to regret my decision. House prices have further to fall, the economy risks recession, consumers are downbeat and if unemployment starts to climb then shares will surely fall further.

I'm also wary of Europe. A few weeks back I also sold Fidelity European, one of my favourite investment funds, fearing slowing growth and mounting inflation could hit its returns. And so far, it has.

China crisis.

Oh, and I also waved goodbye to First State Asia-Pacific and Henderson Far East Income investment trust. Thanks for the profits, boys, but soaring oil prices and inflation, and shrinking Western demand for exports, could make for leaner times ahead.

I expect the long-term shift in wealth from west to east to continue, but it can carry on without me for a few months.

China could prove me wrong. Its inflationary problems have been well-documented, but with the country's stock markets having tumbled, many of its problems have already been discounted. So maybe…

And I'm still fighting shy of Japan, despite recent efforts by some to talk it up, we've all been waiting far too long for that story to revive.

Bored with the USA.

So where does that leave? Well, there's always the US. Several analysts have tried to big up the US economy in recent weeks, presumably on the principle that as it was the first country to succumb to the credit crunch it should therefore be the first out.

Perhaps. But the bad news keeps rolling in, with falling house prices and failing mortgages pushing the two largest US mortgage lenders Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to the brink of insolvency, forcing the government to put together a rescue package.

If one of those was to go under, it would make Northern Rock look small beer.

I feel Latin America has done too well for too long to put any money in now, although I'm hanging on to Blackrock Latin American investment trust, if only out of gratitude for the 200% growth it has given me in just three years (although that has since slipped).

To Russia with a sigh of relief.

So we come to Russia. This is one of the few territories to escape the credit crunch unscathed, thanks to its plentiful supplies of oil and gas, and its newbie middle class should help keep the economy ticking over. Its companies are still relatively cheap, typically trading on a P/E ratio of around 9.

That's why I'm hanging on to another investment trust favourite, Baring Emerging Europe, up 126% since I bought it four years ago.

So what about sectors or themes? Oil and commodities have driven stock markets recently, but I'm loathe to invest in case I'm buying just before the bubble bursts.

Oil and food.

At a loss for some positive news, I called Mark Dampier of Hargreaves Lansdown, who tipped a theme I've never actively considered -- infrastructure. Countries such as India and China are frantically building infrastructure, while many countries in the West urgently need to upgrade theirs. First State Infrastructure, launched last October, is his tip.

Dampier also believes agriculture is a strong long-term story, because an ever-hungrier world needs feeding, and recommends commodities and agriculture fund Sarasin AgriSar, launched in March.

And that's it. Two obscure, recently-launched funds with a lot to prove. It's not exactly a ringing vote of confidence.

I recognise it's madness to try to time markets in this way, because when the lift-off does come, it will catch everybody by surprise.

Perhaps it started at the end of last week. If so, I'm going to look very silly. But right now, I doubt it.

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penbat 21 Jul 2008, 4:32pm

I think Russia is a little too heavyweight on energy and there may be political risks.

I suggest Eclectica Agriculture is a little more mainstream than Sarasin Agrisar and has better known names such as Monsanto in it, although I dont have any particular problem with Sarasin Agrisar.

Marlborough ETF Commodity fund has been a chart topper for the last year and is alost unique as it is an active unit trust investing in commodity ETFS - it has to be the least risky way possible of buying a basket of commodities an it is completely clear of equities.

Almost many people think that some sort of gold investment is worthwhile, perhaps Blackrock Gold and General - it will typically go up as the stock market goes down.

papakura100 21 Jul 2008, 8:26pm

Hi Harvey

I think a fortune can be made from being patient and buying low selling high FEV

Cheers

lourenco 22 Jul 2008, 7:38am

is there anywhere safe to invest? Am I right to say that at the moment
one should be liquid, take advantage of the high interest rates for savers and wait to see how things progress? I sold all my
shares a few months/year ago and all my cash is in high interest
bank accounts - mind you no more than £ 35.000 in any one
bank! I feel that everyone in the present situation gives advice as to what not to do, but small investors are not given advice as to what they should do in the current economic climate.

Filipuk 22 Jul 2008, 8:48am

I have to agree with lourenco. Although I am tied to some equity investments, (and at the moment avoid depression by not checking their progress) I also moved into cash. As lourenco says, its important to keep no more than £35000 in any one institution. However, it is becoming increasingly different to find accounts paying good rates of interest which are not linked to one registered bank.

ajfish 22 Jul 2008, 8:53am

Lourenco and Filipuk, can you explain this £35K ceiling. Is this some sort of compensation level should the bank go under?

smooge 22 Jul 2008, 9:36am

Harvey, is it you or me that's off-message. I thought TMF recommended direct holdings so that fund managers' fees didn't seriously damage your wealth? No criticism, just in the spirit of enquiry. Don't go to the 'site too often these days as I got the "be your own financial adviser" message years ago. Just a bit of a shock, that's all, seeing a Fool mention so many funds in one article. :}

Filipuk 22 Jul 2008, 9:51am

Ajfish asks about the £35000 limit. This is currently the 100% compensation level for investors if a bank goes bust. There is talk of it being increased to £50000 or even £100000 at some point in the future. The problem is that some bank groups register as one entity, such as HSBOS I believe. So if you have money invested in each of their subsidiaries, you are only covered for the first £35000. Other banks, such as RBS have seperate registrations for subsidiaries, which makes it safer. On the FSA website you can get a list of the registered banks and their subsidiaries.

voiceofsanity 22 Jul 2008, 10:36am

Cheer up for goodness' sake! Everyone in our office agrees that we appear to be talking ourselves into a recession. There are people in the world who live on 60p a day and we're worrying about where we can get maximum return on our £35K packages of savings...please get some perspective back into your life and enjoy what you have whilst you have it!

befearless 22 Jul 2008, 11:42am

Well said to voiceofsanity. It is worth giving back to the people in need. At the same time I personally invest in property - it is a sure long term plan with guaranteed return i.e. a house bought 10 years ago is worth at least double now??

I urge everyone to think out stock market investments/pensions very carefully as there is no guarantee as we have seen these days, major companies are going under.

TimeValue 22 Jul 2008, 11:43am

The protection for the first £35000 is an illusion. If anything other than a very minor oufit goes bust (remember NR, B&B and A&L were more or less bust) the fund for compensating savers will be depleted to the extent that you only get back a pro-rata pay out. You should ask yourself your chosen banks are really secure and are they in a trustworthy countries. Deposits in NR and NS&I are 100% covered by the taxpayer. Their savings rates are not so good though.

TheMotleyPaul 22 Jul 2008, 12:04pm

Isn't there a slight contradiction here - you have no faith in UK PLC but then say you've sold your diverse funds and put them into sterling savings, where all you eggs are in the same basket if the pound falls against other currencies. Isn't having diverse global funds also a buffer against currency fluctuations?

teecee90 22 Jul 2008, 12:50pm

Lemmings rule OK!
Provided you have a fully diversified invetsment portfolio (including cash), in my view you should continue to invest a proportion of your money in equities provided you have a relatively long term horizon (10yrs+). Dont make the fundamental mistake of over-trading in response to short term market (less than 10yrs) fluctuations. Just invest and forget about it.

heva51 22 Jul 2008, 1:42pm

Hi everyone
I read Motley Fool because I feel I need to have some understanding of what's going on economically in this country and globally. But I despair , I really do . I read people's comments about spreading their savings , £35000 in each of several place!! banks etc..to escape loss.. and the rest of the stuff. Be thankful all of you, to have THAT sort of money to play with . There are many in the world who don,t have the ability to have ANY sort of savings, let alone play around with their money. Be grateful and remember that greed is a sin...

pk94 22 Jul 2008, 2:12pm

Everyone seems to want to time the markets by keeping their money in cash and gold and whatever takes their fancy until the stock market makes a recovery. If you think you are smart enough then that is fine but personally i think you are all wasting your time. KISS, keep it simple stupid and invest for the long term and stop moving in and out of the markets as it is not good for your wealth or your sanity. If you do not have a lon term horizon, get out of the markets, they are not 4 u.

LandOfConfusion 22 Jul 2008, 3:32pm

> At 13:42 on July 22 2008, heva51 said:
>
> I read Motley Fool because I feel I need to
> have some understanding of what's going on
> economically in this country and globally.

Another good site for this is HPC:

www.housepricecrash.co.uk

> Be thankful all of you, to have THAT sort
> of money to play with

Some people work hard, save hard and use their brains to accrue and protect that kind of money. Others ether spend it all, get it from the taxpayer or live in a country (such as Zimbabwe) with a political tyrant and are unwilling to unify and effect change.

> greed is a sin

Greed is animal nature and exists so that the individual has the best chance of survival. There are no prized for being poor (except in this country it seems...).

> At 14:12 on July 22 2008, pk94 said:
>
> stop moving in and out of the markets

I (and others on HPC) watch the markets as well as the current financial and political situation. Right now it's DIRE and was looking like it was going to tank around July-August last year, which was incidentally when I moved my money out and into cash + some gold. I'm now very glad I did so.

I'm also staying put until this situation corrects itself, probably in about 1-2 years but possibly longer.

teecee90 23 Jul 2008, 11:00am

>>
I (and others on HPC) watch the markets as well as the current financial and political situation. Right now it's DIRE and was looking like it was going to tank around July-August last year, which was incidentally when I moved my money out and into cash + some gold. I'm now very glad I did so.
>>>>

Well done, no doubt yuou will also accurately predict the bottom of the market and move back into equities at precisely the right time. Baggsy next go on your crystal ball.

mahdave 23 Jul 2008, 5:06pm

Since the question is HAVE WE REACHED THE BOTTOM, I always find that when dark clouds,gloom and doom is all around us, be on the look-out for the first rays of the pink near the eastern sky.(FTSE !)
I see some hint in the market, so I am getting ready to loosen up the purse-string within the next fortnight. Happy hunting.. until end-October 2008.

balyarta 24 Jul 2008, 5:48pm

At 15:32 on July 22 2008, LandOfConfusion said:

"Greed is animal nature and exists so that the individual has the best chance of survival"

I am sick and tired of seeing animals maligned in this way. No animal understands greed, only need. No animal, that is, except the human animal. We can imagine the future, as only a fraction of animals have been shown to be able to do and that only in a very small way. Thinking of the future, i.e. our children's children, the only chance of survival, as a species, is cooperation. Perhaps LandofConfusion can see that Gordon Gekko and the Nineties 'greed is good' days are dead and gone. We're still suffering the consequences, though. It's up to us to imagine a way out.

UpHillAllTheWay 25 Jul 2008, 10:06pm

"No animal understands greed, only need"

Well, Greed may not be the right word for an animal, but they certainly have a strong instinctive sense of posessionand defense of what they have. Many animals also accumulate (eg bower birds, jackdaws, etc)

The online dictionary defines Greed as "An excessive desire to acquire or possess more than what one needs or deserves, especially with respect to material wealth" When you talk about a greedy child, however, you're talking about food, so I think the link between food and material possession is fairly strong in this context.

I have an adult cat, who has learned to trust me, but when he was a small kitten, and driven much more by instinct than learning, I remember being amused by putting a finger into his bowl when he was eating. He would hiss and put a leg over the plate and act in a very defensive way. It wasn't because he was hungry, either.

If you don't think greed is an evolved emotion, read "The Selfish Gene" by Richard Dawkins.

I certainly believe that greed is part and parcel of our evolution into a successful speces. Everybody has it to some degree. Without it, where would we be?

I also wouldn't disagree that it needs to be kept in check - like a taste for sweet things - it served us well when sweet things were rare. Now, we have to be wary not to allow it to make us over-indulge.

Questorien 28 Jul 2008, 11:25pm

Loathe should have been loth. (Or possibly loath.)
Defense should have been defence. (English, not American.)

Yes, I know - I'm a pedant.

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