Would Warren Buffett Buy Diageo?

Published in Company Comment on 24 September 2012

We run the numbers on this FTSE 100 company.

There's a lot to be said for Diageo (LSE: DGE) (NYSE: DEO.US). A resilient consumer-focused business, it has global brands, pricing power and a long history of delivering dividend growth.

In short, it's a FTSE 100 (UKX) stalwart, and rightly so. And one, what's more, with some compelling characteristics.

So would Warren Buffett be interested in buying it?

Sage performance

After all, Buffett is one of the world's smartest-ever investors. Berkshire Hathaway (NYSE: BRK-A.US) (NYSE: BRK-B.US) -- the ailing textile company that Buffet bought into in the mid-1960s, and turned into a world-beating investment vehicle -- has delivered returns of over 20% per annum since 1965, and turned Buffett himself into the world's third-wealthiest person.

Given all this, many investors make the mistake of thinking that Buffett must use high-tech financial models and advanced discounted cash flow techniques to select the businesses that he buys into.

In fact, nothing could be further from the truth.

Moat

As Charlie Munger, Buffett's partner, once put it at an investors' meeting: "Warren often talks about these discounted cash flows, but I've never seen him do one."

"It's true," replied Buffett, acknowledging that to experienced eyes, a good share just looked like a good share. "It's sort of automatic... It ought to just kind of scream at you that you've got this huge margin of safety."

So how does Buffett tell if a share would be a good pick? While a look at the financials certainly plays a part, it's a part that comes only at the end of multi-stage process -- a process that includes an early evaluation of that famous 'moat' with which he's often associated.

As the man himself puts it: "In business, I look for economic castles protected by unbreakable 'moats'."

In short, Buffett is looking for:

  • A business that he understands
  • Favourable long-term economics
  • An able and trustworthy management
  • A sensible price tag

So would Diageo pass the test? The company recently reported its full-year results, so I thought I'd take a look.

The fundamentals

Under a single banner, Diageo brings together some of the world's best-selling drinks brands. Johnnie Walker, J&B, Windsor, Bushmills, Smirnoff, Baileys, Captain Morgan, Tanqueray and Guinness.

And those are brands with a provenance that reaches much further back than Coca-Cola, one of Buffett's own favourite tipples. J&B, for instance, dates from 1749, while Guinness dates from 10 years later, in 1759.

Roll the clock forward, and Diageo as we know it today actually came together during the investing lifetimes of many of us: the 1997 merger of Grand Metropolitan and Guinness PLC; and before that, the bitterly contested takeover of The Distillers Company by Guinness boss Ernest "Deadly" Saunders in 1986.

Today, Diageo employs over 20,000 people, has manufacturing facilities in Great Britain, Ireland, United States, Canada, Spain, Italy, Africa, Latin America, Australia, India and the Caribbean, and its products can be quaffed in approximately 180 markets around the world.

And many of those products, what's more, command considerable brand loyalty. Irrelevant? Not to Buffett, who sees loyal customers as part of that famous moat.

 Year ending June 30 2008Year ending June 30 2009Year ending June 30 2010Year ending June 30 2011Year ending June 30 2012
Revenues£10.6bn£12.3bn£13.0bn£13.2bn£14.6bn
Pre-tax profit£2.1bn£2.0bn£2.2bn£2.4bn£3.1bn
Earnings per share64.4p69.7p72.0p83.6p94.2p
Dividend per share34.4p36.1p38.1p40.4p43.5p

So would Buffett buy?

Over the last five years, Diageo has grown revenues by 8% a year, and pre-tax profit by 10% a year -- no mean feat in a recession, and eloquent testimony to that brand and pricing power. Over the same period, earnings per share have grown by 10% a year, and dividends by 6% a year.

Throw in the company's moat -- its market dominance, brand range and entrenched position in the minds of affluent consumers -- and the mix begins to look compelling.

So would Buffett buy Diageo, whose shares are changing hands at 1,720p today? Frankly, I don't think so: a historic price-to-earnings (P/E) ratio of 17.4 is surely too rich, despite the attractions. The 'margin of safety', in short, is too slim. Nor, at 2.8%, is the forecast yield attractive. That said, Diageo's share price occasionally stumbles, and a year ago, you could pick up the shares for 1,200p -- a 30% discount to today's price.

Follow the money

But even at that price, would Buffett buy Diageo? No one knows. What we do know, though, is that although he rarely ventures outside the United States for money-earning opportunities, one UK-listed share has caught his eye.

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Underperforming the FTSE by 20% over the past few months, the company trades on a prospective P/E of 9.3 -- well below the FTSE 100 average -- and offers a tasty 4.8% forecast yield. As I say, the report is free, and can be in your inbox in seconds.

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F958B 24 Sep 2012 , 3:38pm

Would Buffett buy Diageo?

Maybe one day - at the right price - but not at anything like the sky-high valuations when there are other solid reliable businesses out there selling for much lower P/E's, much higher dividend yields and with comparable or better growth prospects.

amsterdamgroove 24 Sep 2012 , 5:21pm

F958B,

and do the ones you have in mind fit the 'economic castles protected by a moat'? I am curious. Would you mind please name a few? Many thanks

F958B 24 Sep 2012 , 7:32pm

For starters, Buffett loaded up on Tesco several months ago, with the P/E about half as expensive as Diageo and Tesco's yield about twice as high.
The other supermarkets (fwd P/E's around 10-12x, and fwd yields around 4-5%) which have recently been so cheap they were almost a case of "buy a business and get an equal amount of assets thrown in for free".
In autumn 2011 and spring 2012, Sainsbury shares could - incredibly for a stable, large company - be purchased for less than their net tangible asset value.

There's also:

GSK (12.4x fwd P/E, 5.1% fwd yield)

Vodafone (11.1x fwd P/E, >5.3% yield)

Imperial Tobacco (11.8x fwd P/E, 4.5% fwd yield)

Centrica (12.6x fwd P/E, 4.8% fwd yield)

SSE (12.1x fwd P/E, 6.0% fwd yield)


F958B 24 Sep 2012 , 7:47pm

In comparison, Diageo trade on a historic high P/E ratio around 18.5x forward earnings, with a forward yield around 2.5%.

With Diageo shares as expensive as they've ever been (in nominal or P/E terms), there's a risk of a valuation mean-reversion in the same way that water companies used to trade for 11x P/E, but now trade for 17x, while supermarkets used to trade for 17x P/E and now trade for 11x.
Basically what goes around often comes around; shares and sectors move in and out of fashion.
Alcohol and water have become too popular, just as pharmaceuticals and telecoms were in 1999-2000.

It is likely to take a long time (probably about ten years) before Diageo's dividend doubles, bringing the yield up from the lowly 2.5% to the 5% of the companies I mentioned in my previous posting.

In fact, given the 2.5% superior yield from (say) Glaxo, I can still match the total return of Diageo even if GSK's share price underperforms Diageo's share price by 2.5% every year.

......and with DGE starting at a higher valuation, the risk of a de-rating is greater, potentially meaning lower capital appreciation too.

I've done a few studies (and so have others) and concluded that the starting valuation (P/E ratio) of a medium to large company tends to be a greater influence on subsequent total investor return than the growth of the company over that period.
In other words: price paid really matters, and DGE's current high price (P/E ratio) puts them at high risk of underperforming, just as GSK's 30-odd P/E ratio in 1999 has caused the shares to trend sideways while earnings caught up with the share price.

goodlifer 24 Sep 2012 , 7:57pm

If he would, why hasn't he?

MDW1954 24 Sep 2012 , 9:00pm

Hello F958B,

You'd think, judging from your replies,that I had concluded that Buffett would buy Diageo. In fact, I say the opposite. So we're in agreement.

Malcolm (author)

stevegrass777 24 Sep 2012 , 10:23pm

Buffet did buy Diageo a long time ago,I read it in the paper at the time and thought what has he bought that for.I think the price was around £4.50-£4.60 at the time.
Obviously I now know why he did!

amsterdamgroove 25 Sep 2012 , 7:57am

Thanks F958B!
i think F958B is clearly in agreement with the author.

richjfool 25 Sep 2012 , 9:39am

Incidentally, Sainsbury has been rising in price quite a bit lately.

stevegrass777 26 Sep 2012 , 7:45am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assets_owned_by_Berkshire_Hathaway
Under common stock holdings,your about 12 years to late with this why would Warren Buffet buy now when he bought at £4.50-£4.60 about 10 years ago or more.

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