The Return Of The Great Recession

Published in Company Comment on 16 June 2009

Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the stock market, the market heads south.

Yesterday the FTSE 100 slumped 116 points, or 2.6%. Some stocks were particularly hammered, with Punch Taverns (LSE: PUB) one of the biggest casualties, down a whopping 30% on the day.

The hot resources sector suddenly turned tepid. Rio Tinto (LSE: RIO) fell 6.9%, Xstrata (LSE: XTA) 7.1% and Lonmin (LSE: LMI) 9.8%.

The US market didn't give us any help, with the S&P 500 dropping 2.4%.

So what went wrong? It was only yesterday the economy was seemingly set for a swift recovery. The respected National Institute of Economic and Social Research had forecast that the UK economy may be at a turning point, and could even be the first industrialised economy to emerge from recession.

Oh Hell -- It's Still A Recession

It seems the market suddenly remembered we are still in recession. "Recession fears cripple stocks" screamed CNNMoney.com.

In the past month or so, the market seemed to have conveniently forgotten about the recession. But it's still there, and not going away in a hurry.

From the March 2009 bottom to the recent high, the FTSE 100 had soared 30%. The oil has more than doubled since its December 2008 lows. Other commodity prices have bounced significantly too, helping the share prices of beaten down resources stocks double or even treble.

Too Much Too Fast

Any way you look at it, the bounce has been swift and impressive. But over the past few weeks, I was just getting the feeling the market was getting a little too far ahead of itself.

First there was Five Reasons I'm Not Selling Everything, where I said "…it's probably a decent time to take some profits, particularly on some of the lower quality and/or cyclical companies in your portfolio." Punch Taverns, for example?

Then there was One Big Warning Sign, where I said "I think many of the easy gains are behind us."

Finally, in a fit of desperation, there was Six Stocks To Sell Today, where I said "The prices of some individual stocks seem to have gotten somewhat ahead of themselves."

Rough Times Ahead

I'm the first to realise one stock market wobble doesn't make a correction. I'm also the first to admit I'm a long-term bull on the stock market. But I just can't help but get the feeling we're in for a bit of a rough time in the months ahead.

Now that doesn't mean it's a time to sell up everything and go to cash. Or at least I don't think it is. That's why I'm not selling everything. But I have been selling some shares, including my entire holding in Barclays (LSE: BARC), even though I sold at a loss. But more on that tomorrow…

My thinking is you don't just get through the biggest implosion of most of the world's major banks scot-free. This is the biggest recession since The Great Depression. It can't just be over in the blink of an eye.

Slow Down Big Boy

We are going to be paying for the excesses of the past few years for many years to come. The Brown government, in tune with most major governments around the world, have been forced to spend, spend, spend in order to avoid us having an even deeper recession.

But all that spending must ease one day. All that debt must be paid back. The new government, due sometime between now and the middle of next year, will likely cut government spending and raise taxes. What effect do you think that will have on the great economic recovery?

It all adds up to, in my mind at least, a slow economic recovery. It will take longer for company profits to recover. If you think a company like house builder Barratt Developments (LSE: BDEV) is going to get back to the level of profitability it enjoyed in 2007 any time soon, think again. The same can be said about BT Group (LSE: BT-A) and Marks & Spencer (LSE: MKS), amongst others.

Great Opportunities Remain

The big question now is whether this stock market wobble is the start of a correction, or just part of the normal day to day movements of the stock market. It's impossible to know.

But whatever happens from here, there remain some great opportunities. Whilst the market has been on a tear over the past few months, some high-quality stocks have been left behind. If the market does correct from here, these quality stocks will likely be dragged lower too, giving cashed up, patient investors another once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to load up on some fantastic bargains.

Be prepared.

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supasap 16 Jun 2009 , 12:29pm

oh yes the Great Recession of the late 2000's .... gosh I remember it well ......

- we had to scale back our foreign holidays because of the Euro Sterling ratio
- we had to defer the purchase of a car which had slightly more functionality and looked slightly better than the perfectly functional one that was sitting in the drive (oh and the wife had to do the same)
- the value of our house fell by 20% after a decade of high growth and some poor people who couldn't afford to buy houses in the first instance had to give their houses back, we had to wait for a few years before this meaningless paper exercise corrected itself, it was terrible
- we stopped going out for a while to restaurants and ate our king prawns and drank our chardonnay in each other's houses, it was really really bad

hardly the Grapes of Wrath or the Hyde Park unemployment riots of the 1930's.......or did I miss something

LastChip 16 Jun 2009 , 2:00pm

Well, I think it's fair to say I've been a bit of a bear throughout all of this, but as disclosed elsewhere (and on prompting from you if I recall), I did buy into Barclays at about 83p.

I'm going to really stick my neck out (make the most of it!) and say, I think you've made a great error in selling Barclays, if you look at a five year plus view.

It's my belief, they are going to emerge as one of the strongest banks in the world and of course, there will be ups and downs along the way. But there has to be a financial core to the world economies and that core is the banks. The bottom line is, we simply can't do without them (at least, not if civilisation as we know it, is to continue).

More to the point, where do you think you can invest that money in the present climate on an equal or better risk/reward ratio? I've no doubt there are better opportunities, but I'm struggling to think of them!

Unless something alters the equation drastically, I'm staying in Barclays for the foreseeable future. I've purposely written this before your publication tomorrow, as I didn't want to be influenced (subconsciously or not) by your views. I look forward to reading what you have to say.

You may also be interested (or not) to know, I recently bought into BT Group as well. I love cash generative businesses and they don't come much more cash generative than BT.

Yes, I'm aware they have problems, not least of which is a huge pension deficit, but that will resolve itself in the fullness of time. I suspect also, the present pension scheme(s) will be drastically changed in the not too distant future, in spite of no doubt, significant protests.

However, the bottom line is, generally speaking, if you want fixed line telecommunications, somewhere along the line, BT is going to get a cut of the charges.

So I guess we're somewhat apart on our individual strategies. Nothing wrong with that. It would be a boring old world if we were all the same.

I guess I tend towards safety (whatever that is in the present conditions) whereas others will take greater (perceived?) risks.

sunnyjoe 16 Jun 2009 , 2:04pm

Is a 2.6% drop in one day significant or noise? This article provides no context.

For a site that espouses LTBH the article seems oddly concerned with one day.

ateavista 16 Jun 2009 , 3:50pm

I don't think supasap has missed anything. Because it hasn't happened......yet.

supasap 16 Jun 2009 , 5:19pm

atevista....... ah I see so things are going to get worse are they..... just that a few months back the doom and gloomers were trying to persuade me that we were in the midst of the worst depression since the 1930's and that I was just blind ...... but none of them could really explain the persistence of the real world variables like:
- road congestion
- obesity
- poor still smoking at £5 a packet
- TV's getting bigger
- still no-one offering to clean my windows despite "record levels of unemployment"

let me know when these variables change to reflect a society truly hard up

Fingered 16 Jun 2009 , 8:20pm

Bruce, truly fascinating to see the timing of your sentiment swings in your articles.

Some questions I don't see you answering from other articles emerging from your keyboard -

1. How long do recessions last? - (a bit of a teaser that one I know) ... :-)

and

Based on your 2nd prediction a couple of months ago, based on 1st prediction
in November 08 (which wasn't right) , but nonetheless you made the 2nd one purely
for consistency reasons anyway ( how odd) the question is -

2. Are you still predicting FTSE100 as being in a trading range from
March lows to 4700 or not sure anymore?

and


3. Are you a green shooter, brown twigger or not sure?

gordonbanks42 16 Jun 2009 , 9:04pm

"This is the biggest recession since The Great Depression."

Not yet it isn't. It may well turn out to be so, but it isn't yet, and you are not a fortune-teller.

The English language has an elegant mechanism for distinguishing between what has happened, what is happening, what will happen and what may happen. It's called "tense".

You should use the right tense for the situation you are describing. Or I'll scream and scream until I'm sick. So there.

Fingered 17 Jun 2009 , 12:28am

Darned if I can remember the article Bruce, I thought the words you used
for the FTSE 4500 level wobbles, with wobbly as one of the words you like describing markets as, along with the level as being "psycologically unimportant" are gems.

Though you may not realize it, with something like 6 failed attempts to get above and hold above
this "psycologically unimportant" level, was yet another subtle little contrarian clue to get ready for shorting. Nice.

Fingered 17 Jun 2009 , 1:30am

Looks to me like multiple market cats have well and truly bounced out of their high up windows. Woner what lower floor verandas / patio awnings are they bouncing off next? dum dee dum dee dum....

supasap 17 Jun 2009 , 3:13pm

hello fingered glad to see you survived the great depression too, I did without one visit to the pawnbrokers even after ignoring your shorting advice...... what a terrible recession it was..... can't wait for the documentaries.... gosh we had to delay the purchase of a new car for months..... lips quiver.... it was really terrible

Fingered 17 Jun 2009 , 6:56pm

............good for you Suapsap. Never by the way given you shorting advice. You did ask about my positions once, however I declined to comment.

Fingered 17 Jun 2009 , 8:56pm

Hey Supasop,

Whilst you did not specify just quite how swanky ( an adjective you frequently use) your new car was, you did it seems after the recsession was over. Bravo! Impeccable timimng!

What about splashing out on holidays?
Or are you waiting for the green shoots to really take root and blossom before booking?
Any views on £ rocketting so we can get say $4 or €4 to the £?

supasap 18 Jun 2009 , 10:28am

sorry fingered for taking so long to reply, the downturn has been so bad that I got cut off from broadband supplier, lost my job, car and house as have most people in the UK ....just like the doom and gloomers said, so here I am in the library just letting you know that if only I had shorted everything I would have been ok ...... who would have thought the whole world economy would collapse like that because banks had lent to some members of the American underclass..... glad I hung onto my tent

Fingered 18 Jun 2009 , 10:54am

Oh sorry Supasop, glad to hear you are OK, what a confusing situation for you and others with your swanky new car.

Let's see if you can answer the 3 simple questions.... so here they are again below in case you missed them - no doubt many other TMF readers would be keen for your insight here as you have proclaimed the reccession as being over.

1. What about splashing out on holidays?
2.Are you waiting for the green shoots to really take root and blossom before booking?
3. Any views on £ rocketting so we can get say $4 or €4 to the £?

supasap 18 Jun 2009 , 1:03pm

gosh the queues for the internet are long in the library.....

1. life a permanent holiday for most of us now that the great economic downturn has destroyed most of the jobs in the world
2. green shoots literally not metaphorically as growing fruit an vegetables in the gardens of the few friends that managed to hang onto their jobs and houses
3. the days of being able to deal in anything are over, I lost it all in the Great Depression of the 2000's, but you can have the shirt off my back for a tin of sardines...

Ps do you want your windows cleaned?

Fingered 18 Jun 2009 , 1:10pm

As suspected, you still have not properly answered the questions. Unable and unwilling me thinks.

Fingered 18 Jun 2009 , 9:53pm

Tellingly on the other hand, for me you have perfectly and improperly answered the questions in an able and willing way. Thanks.

Fingered 20 Jun 2009 , 6:27pm

Bruce,

Market wobbles continue to wobble?

Boinnnnng - Thursday's FTSE bounce upwards off the 4240 veranda .....


Let's try the questions again:


1. How long do recessions last?

2. Are you still predicting FTSE100 as being in a trading range from
March lows to 4700 or not sure anymore?

and

3. Are you a green shooter, brown twigger or not sure?

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