What's Next? FTSE 3,000?

Published in Company Comment on 3 March 2009

The FTSE 100 has hit a 6-year low, and may be headed to 3,000, or even below. Shares are cheap, but first the banks must be fixed, and this time, fixed properly.

If someone told you at the start of last year that Bradford & Bingley, Northern Rock, HBOS, Royal Bank of Scotland (LSE: RBS) and Lloyds Banking Group (LSE: LLOY) would be either bankrupt or saved while en route to bankruptcy, most people wouldn't have taken you seriously.

And as recently as, I don't know, maybe a couple of weeks ago, if I told you the bottom of this market may still be ahead, and FTSE 3,000 is not out of the question, you'd have thought I was off my rocker.

Well, Fools, meet insanity. It's quickly becoming the new reality.

What's notable about today's trip down towards FTSE 3,600, a 6-year low for the leading index? Not that 4,000, or 3,700, is really of any significance. Other than being a psychologically painful barrier, the FTSE's short-term fluctuations are of little importance.

What's notable is that the mood doesn't seem to be the panicky, 10% daily drops, sell-now-and-ask-questions later mood we saw last October and November. Not that anyone's claiming to speak for Mr. Market, but the mood now seems to be based on coming to terms with the financial sector's insolvency. In other words, as markets keep falling, the selling is getting more and more rational.

Falling Hard

The most recent news, for example, came after HSBC (LSE: HSBA) disappointed the market with weaker-than-expected earnings, a massive £12.5bn rights issue and a dividend cut. In the US, AIG (NYSE: AIG) was back at the trough, hoping another $30 billion of taxpayer bailout money will do the trick. This after reporting the largest quarterly loss in history -- any company's history -- of $61.7 billion. It works out to $7,762 per second.

Problem is, this is AIG's fourth bailout in six months. Citigroup (NYSE: C) is on round three. Royal Bank Of Scotland is hoping bailout part three or four (I've lost count) will be enough.

That's what's underscoring the market's plunge right now: Every "plan" so far has been a finger-in-the-dike attempt at plugging a hole that's getting exponentially larger.

The original idea was that by preventing systemic collapse, private capital would eventually be lured back into financial markets, hence paving the way for recovery. But since every few weeks the rules change, the strategy shifts, and the dilution gets bigger, no investor in their right mind wants to dip their toes in.

Can They Handle The Truth?

In the US, General Motors (NYSE: GM), Chrysler, and Ford (NYSE: F) had to submit turnaround plans and a general strategy as to how they'll dig out of their hole. No one really takes these goals seriously, but at least there's a strategy. There are clear-cut rules and deadlines that need to be met. There's clarity, if you want to call it that.

Banks don't have anything remotely close. It's a free-for-all of, "A few billion here, a couple billion there. Change the rules here. Add more terms there." Investors, rightfully so, want nothing to do with it. No one wants to play until they know the rules.

Until there's a coherent plan, (which may end up being nationalisation of at least a few of the walking dead), investors will stay a million miles away from financial investments -- even if assets look undeniably cheap. As long as that's the case, banks will crumble; As long as that's the case, the economy will follow suit; And as long as that's the case, the stock market won't be far behind. And around and around we go.

Where To Now?

The market really is difficult to predict. There is nothing but bad news on the wires, and that isn't going to change any time soon. There simply is no catalyst to turn this market around, or not one I can see anyway.

The only hope is that one day, collectively, investors suddenly decide shares are far too cheap, and they buy, buy, buy. But just because shares are cheap isn't a catalyst to turn this market around, or not yet anyway. That might happen if the FTSE 100 hit 3,000.

At the rate we're going, the good news is that could happen by early next week. Phew.

In the spirit of the wisdom of crowds, we'll try a poll: How low do you think the FTSE 100 will go? Take a second to click here and weigh in with the Fool poll, and share your thoughts in the comment section as well if you wish.

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supasap 03 Mar 2009 , 9:26am

I am hoping that it won't reach the low until June as then I can invest a little windfall..... but then again no-one ever can call the bottom of the market so let's say it goes to 3200 in June I may invest and see it fall to 2800 within a week but as long as I am in at near the bottom I should be ok for the long term.....I don't want to borrow from bank now to buy in April ..... not even sure if banks would lend temporarily to let me gamble (if there's one things our banks can't stand it is irresponsible risk taking ha ha)

FatMise 03 Mar 2009 , 10:14am

I'm going to make a website that says the market will rise in one article and fall in another article. Then, in a week's time, I'll refer to whichever article was actually correct. People will pay for such uncanny fortune telling.

LastChip 03 Mar 2009 , 11:49am

Well, my prediction of 3670 has been surpassed and as I write this, I see 3585 in front of me. Next target, 3260.

Never mind us minnows in the world of financial investment, globally, institutional financiers have lost all confidence in the markets and until that returns, nothing will change. No one has ever seen anything like this before, so you cannot fall back on history to predict the outcome.

I said towards the end of last year, pumping more debt at the problem will do nothing; so far,that has proven to be true. I also said you need to think outside the box to attempt to foresee where this may all lead. Just last week I suggested, investing at this time was foolish. In hindsight, was that so wrong?

I read this morning that Gordon (save the world) Brown is to meet President Obama for half an hour. What good will that do? They may as well have had a telephone conversation and save a few bob on expenses!

If President Obama can't turn confidence on the wave of optimism he enjoyed at election time, who can? Certainly not bob-a-job Brown.

Politicians simply cannot accept this is outside of their control. It's a global game that has gone badly wrong and until it naturally unwinds, nothing will change.

Perhaps it's time for the Fool to concentrate on telling their readers how to conserve money (as best they can) in the present climate and not waste it on a fools errand.

CunningCliff 03 Mar 2009 , 6:18pm

LastChip,

If you're so smart, then why aren't you rich? And if you are rich, then "Buddy, can you spare a dime?" LOL ;0)

Cliff

Saveaholic 03 Mar 2009 , 6:20pm

Just last week I suggested, investing at this time was foolish. In hindsight, was that so wrong?

Not necessarily wrong, but not necessarily right - it depends who you are, what your attitude to investing is and what your investment horizons are. I'm continuing to drip-feed in money which I can afford to tie up for the long term (ie 25 years). I'm feeling intensely relaxed about the current situation. Nothing has yet caused me to think that my strategy is the wrong one.

If you follow the movement of the market closely and get worried about it going down, you should be staying well away from shares at the moment, but then I'd argue that you probably should be staying well away from shares pretty much all the time.

The bottom line is that we all have to save and invest in a way that enables us to sleep at night. If you feel that buying equities now is the wrong thing to be doing, you're quite right not to be doing it.

supasap 03 Mar 2009 , 8:03pm

I agree with saveholic, what is interesting though is that there is far more hype and ridiculous natter about this stock market fall and recession than the last one (or can I not remember).... even some of my friends are saying things like "it's different this time"..... but it never is..... I bet anyone that all the signs of a wealthy society we see now will still be here in 2010 and 2011 2012 and every year throughout the next decade.... these signs are (just off the top of my head):

- congestion on the roads
- obesity
- continuing growth in mobile telephony usage
- fast lanes of motorways being virtually monopolised by very expensive audis, bmw's, mercs and 4 x 4
- mushrooming of all the new "false needs" of capitalism that I don't even pretend to understand eg HD Tv, Wii, mobile TV, anthing with the word digital in front of it
- growing obsession with having lots of toilets in one's house

very sad in some ways but can you really see these things declining

peepobaby 03 Mar 2009 , 11:52pm

Its nothing to do with confidence, its the deleverage which is going on. Everyone was and still is overleveraged. Until that's gone, the markets will fall. That's why it is very different from previous recessions.

saltymonk 04 Mar 2009 , 6:43pm

Saveaholic, if it's not a rude question... where are you dripping it in? (i.e. what index are you following & with who or is it a pension?)

Saveaholic 05 Mar 2009 , 5:34pm

Saltymonk: That's fine. I invest primarily with the aim of supplementing my public-sector pension, which is final salary based but nowhere near as lavish as the media pundits would have you believe. While the money is intended for retirement, I'm investing within an ISA so that I can get at it before then if I need to.

I drip into a mixture of bread-and-butter low-cost trackers (tracking developed markets) and Investment Trusts (investing in emerging markets) via a fund supermarket. My current circumstances enable me to put a meaningful amount into four or five funds, so I'm quite diversified in terms of geography and market capitalisation. At the moment I'm still happy putting a reasonable amount into slightly riskier/more volatile areas (say 25%), but as I get older I'll adjust the risk profile of my portfolio downwards.

It's not an approach that will work for everyone (ITs in particular aren't everyone's cup of tea) but it works for me. And that, I'm beginning to realise, is the key to all this - there is no one right answer.

saltymonk 05 Mar 2009 , 8:19pm

Thanks for the info. I'm realising that too & still trying to work out my approach. Luckily my indecision has led to me missing all of this market crash (except in property) so I can't be too sad about that!

Again if it's not a rude question - who do you hold your ISA's with? Are you allowed to say on here? I'm currently looking for at least one low cost IT within ISA & finding it a little difficult to pick the best one. The Motley Fool used to give several "best buy" type ratings on this stuff but if it still exists I can't find it.. all I can see is the "MF Self Select" & one choice of an IT from their "partner"....

Saveaholic 06 Mar 2009 , 4:10pm

I use the Fidelity fund supermarket - I find it easy to use. There's a fair choice of funds and ITs available there from a lot of providers. Some of Fidelity's own funds (eg Moneybuilder trackers) are quite attractive from a cost point of view. I presume I'm allowed to say that here!

I won't go into any more detail, mainly because I don't want my approach to be construed as any kind of advice (and my selection hasn't exactly distinguished itself in terms of outperforming the market lately...)

Good luck.

saltymonk 06 Mar 2009 , 6:12pm

Thankyou, much appreciated.

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