To Sell Or Not To Sell, That Is The Question

Published in Company Comment on 24 February 2009

Oh to be a Slumdog Millionaire. It's been an unlucky 13 years for stock market investors, and worse may be to come. Is it time to sell up and end the pain?

I detect more than a little panic surrounding the stock market. In the US, the Dow Jones Industrial Average hovers just above 7,000.

7,000?

It sounds so low. To be completely honest, it snuck up on me. The next step down will see the Dow in the 6,000s. Where to after that? Not the 5,000s? Surely not? Please?

That Shrinking Effect

The Dow already sits at a 12-year low. It is down over 50% from its peak in October 2007. This year, already, it is off 19%. So much for the January effect. Or the February effect. The only effect this stock market swoon is having on my portfolio is a shrinking effect.

Here in the UK, things are hardly any better. In fact, they are arguably worse. The peak for the FTSE 100 came not in 2007, but way back on the last day of the last century, at just below 7,000. You could argue we've been in a long bear market ever since then, with the market down 45% over the past 9 and a bit years.

It’s enough to make grown men and women cry. The FTSE 100 first hit the heady heights of 3,800 way back in April 1996, almost 13 years ago. Excluding dividends, if you'd left your money under the bed for 13 years, you'd have the same amount today as if you'd collectively invested it into the country’s leading 100 companies.

A Big Fat 0%

It's damning evidence against investing your money in the share market. Not only does it involve risk, including the very real possibility of losing money, but over the past 13 years, capital appreciation has been a great big fat 0%.

And it could get worse, as the bottom of this market may still be ahead. For some time now, many pundits have been predicting an economic recovery in the second half of this year.

As I’ve pointed out a few times before, this just isn't going to happen. The penny is starting to drop that we are looking at a deep, long recession. Collectively, we've been on a massive debt-fuelled spending binge, funded by generous banks like Royal Bank Of Scotland (LSE: RBS), Lloyds Banking Group (LSE: LLOY), HSBC (LSE: HSBA), Northern Rock and Bradford & Bingley.

As consumers are finding out, de-leveraging, or paying back their debts, takes a lot longer than it took to spend the "free" money. It's even harder to pay back and takes even longer if your bonus payments have disappeared, if you've had to take a pay cut, or worst of all, you don't have a job. And you can completely forget a new outfit from Marks & Spencer (LSE: MKS), a new pair of shoes from Debenhams (LSE: DEB) or a new flat screen TV from DSG International (LSE: DSGI).

Bankrupt Banks, Rich Criminals

Most of the nation's banks are effectively bankrupt. Without government assistance, they'd be insolvent, and almost certainly die a quick death. Thankfully, that situation will never be allowed to happen.

Savers must be protected, or else the entire global banking system would simply collapse. Millions of people across the globe, me included, would withdraw all their money and stick it under our beds. It would be boom time for petty criminals, but disastrous for the global economy…as if we need any more disasters!

To Sell Or Not To Sell

Given the gloomy economic prognosis, and the economy is not suddenly going to recover in 2009, and the bottom of the market may still be ahead, you'd be forgiven for either selling all your shares now and/or steering clear of the stock market until the dust settles.

If you really and truly do feel scared and stressed about incurring future stock market losses, you are better off just selling up. Your health is your greatest wealth, and it's not worth risking it, whatever the cost. I've often found "ending the pain" by selling a slumping company very therapeutic. No more do you have to look at the losses continuing to mount. You've said goodbye, taken the hit, learnt the lesson, and now you can move on.

As for me, I'm not scared. Scarred, yes. Scared, no. The daily losses, coming on top of the 31% plunge in the FTSE 100 index last year, are very wearing.

The Economic Recovery Will Come

But every time I look at the individual companies that make up my portfolio, I only see cheap shares, large companies like GlaxoSmithKline (LSE: GSK) and BHP Billiton (LSE: BLT), to name just two. Every time I think about selling, I think about the economic recovery. It may take 12 months, 2 years, 5 years or maybe even 10 years. But surely it will come.

We are in a deep hole, yet there is hope. Today, unlike October last year, we at least know the extent of our problems, and their ramifications. Solutions have already been attempted. Some are working, many are not…or not yet anyway. More solutions will be required, by government, by businesses and by consumers.

Some solutions will work. Slowly but surely our economy will show signs of life. Momentum will come again, and this time the momentum will be upwards, not the downwards momentum we've been experiencing for the past 12 months.

The Market Moves Higher In Advance Of Economic Recovery

Most experienced investors know the stock market moves ahead of the economy. If you think the economy is going to improve in 2010, you want to start positioning your portfolio to take advantage of that economic upswing 6 to 9 months before it happens.

We may not be too far away from that point today, strange as it may seem. I'm not suggesting you go hell for leather and invest all your spare cash into this downward spiralling market right now. I am continuing to suggest you consider drip feeding money into a low cost index tracker, and/or selectively buying high quality, cash-rich businesses over the course of 2009 – exactly the types of companies Maynard Paton is continuing to recommend to members of his exclusive Motley Fool’s Champion Shares stock picking service.

I'd love to see the market go higher from now, and look forward with excitement to the next bull market. I think the wait, and the pain we're experiencing now, will be worth it. But if you want to sell now and "end the pain", I understand your decision.

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LastChip 24 Feb 2009 , 11:34am

Not a lot to disagree with here! At last, an article that recognises the depth of trouble the financial world is in.

There is however one small issue: "Today, unlike October last year, we at least know the extent of our problems, and their ramifications". I'm not sure that is 100% true and rather suspect there is more even now to come out of the woodwork. But that is only a suspicion, rather than factual.

Personally, I don't foresee much happening in the next few years, but expect the market to fall further, perhaps to about 3670 and if it breaks that, who knows?

There is little doubt in my mind, there is absolutely no panic to buy into the market at present as an investment. Trading is a different ball game and if you have the infrastructure set up to trade effectively, could be good, depending on your level of skill. But you have to be something special to beat the professionals at that game.

The one thing we would both agree on (I think?), is a medium to long term time horizon is essential. Nothing much is likely to happen in the next few months or possibly next couple of years. On a five year view? Maybe!

I accept I'm now known as a doom monger, but I write as I genuinely believe. No one at all is forced to agree with me. (someone thought I was a bundle of laughs yesterday - quite a compliment!).

In the immortal words of Corporal Jones: Don't panic!

edwalters 24 Feb 2009 , 4:26pm

Thought I'd share this link

http://crestmontresearch.com/content/Matrix%20Options.htm

its for the us stock market over the last 100 years but I think it is still relevant to the UK.

Very useful tool to find real inflation-adjusted returns for any period you like - very reassuring to see how periods of low returns are newarly always followed by high returns over the next 10 years.

Saveaholic 24 Feb 2009 , 7:00pm

I'm quite confused about what you DO believe, LastChip. The other day you wrote that anyone contemplating an investment in the stock market was a fool, and that the stock market was no longer the answer to growing your wealth. Now you're saying that on a medium to long term investment horizon, there may be some return to be had.

I can only really see two possibilities. Firstly, that the global capitalist system is irreparably broken, and we're heading for Armageddon.

Or, secondly, that we're in a really big pile of do-do right now, but eventually we'll recover somehow. People will continue to trade and make profits, companies will rise and fall, and the people making money will call the shots.

If you believe the former, spend all your money on cans of baked beans. If the latter, maintain a long-term outlook and continue to invest, following the usual Foolish strategies. You're right, there's no panic to invest. But I can't see any reason why you shouldn't invest at the moment, provided you've got the right approach and are prepared for a bit of a rollercoaster ride for the next year or two.

LastChip 24 Feb 2009 , 9:39pm

OK, let me clarify Saveaholic.

Right at this moment in time, it is my belief it is foolish to be placing money in the market. Why? Because I believe this recession/depression (call it what you will) will be more far reaching and last longer than the vast majority of people realise. Only time will tell whether I have that right. The often quoted phrase: [i]"The trend is your friend"{/i] has some substance and right now, the trend is well and truly down.

Equally, on a long term horizon (after the dust has settled), it is very probable that equities will once again be viable. But wait for the trend to be in your favour.

The only disagreement I have with many, is how long it is all going to take. To my mind, it is pointless feeding the market at present, as the risk (IMHO) outweighs the reward.

Already, Europe is talking about legislation to control aspects of the market (something I predicted well before Christmas). What form will that take? How will it affect future returns? Will equity stakes as we know them even still exist? Maybe they will decide equities for ordinary folk are just too risky. There are dozens of questions that need to be answered and until some of the answers come to light, it is a risky business. Any decisions made now, could be turned up-side-down by future legislation.

In my view therefore, it is pointless drip feeding at present when you will almost certainly loose part of your capital - at to-days rates. While I accept no one can predict the bottom of the market, my own gut feeling is it has a way to go. Sometimes, doing nothing is the best strategy of all. Drip feeding has it's place, but it's not an excuse for fundamentally poor decisions.

I was actually quite relieved to listen to the Fools great pod-cast featuring Jim Slater, who must be regarded as being in the top ten investors worldwide. His view is not a whole lot different to mine, particularly regarding cash. Mr Slater is old enough to have been around the block more than once and really does understand the markets. So by all means, ignore me, but listen to him. You will find straight forward shares play a relatively minor role in his overall portfolio. Incidentally, recommended listening for everyone.

I hope that clears things up a little for you.

Staintunerider 25 Feb 2009 , 8:26am

Unusually pessimistic from Mr Jackson. What I think a lot of people are forgetting is the confidence factor.. Yes things aren't good but I think general confidence levels are way below where they should be, which probably applies to a lot of Blue chip stock in terms of their price.

We have Doomsters roaming these posts(sorry last Chip ..but you are not as bad as some Guykgard et al) who are not helping as are the media not helping. I watch a lot of German TV and even that's begun to follow our media a little but not to the extent of the likes of the BBC, Daily Mail, Express.

At least I see what Germany stands for when I watch their news and listen to their debates. All I see in this country are a bunch of pessimistic lunatics who are not interested in any good news. I truly fear for the the UK now even America still get;s upbeat more than us.

If a company is sound and many are they are going to rocket in value when we eventually we get fed up with looking down. It's in the history books once confidence picks up the Boom Bust thing will start all over again.

Staintunerider 25 Feb 2009 , 8:33am

Oh and last Chip, not meaning to knock you, as you sound well meaning but further to my confidence post. What I find interesting is when people try and complicate issues, looking at this, looking at that, and what if, how will that affect returns.

In this marketplace it's impossible to factor in the variables because everything turns on a sixpence these days. But with hindsight you may well see a lot of good stocks were ludicrously undervalued in the future as they are just in the melee and covered in the brown fall out from the whole crash.

Quality will out you know and sometimes it's best to keep it simple. Good company, holding it's own in the current climate, healthy balance sheet..equals make your decision.

Old Buffet has always kept it simple and he's got his toe back in you know ?

guykguard 25 Feb 2009 , 9:21am

Edwalters: at last a post recommending stuff by knowledgeable experts: thanks! May I add just three more: Roger Ibbotson, also now at Yale after selling his hugely influential business to Morningstar; and two true giants in (US) stockmarket analysis, Ken French at Dartmouth and Eugene Fama at Chicago, who I hope will one day be nominated for the Swedish Bank prize for economics. Alas, it's not always easy to find theri stuff as the usually publich in peer-reviewed journals.
Stainetunerider: thanks for your courteous mention! Shame you accuse me of being a "bad doomster", though! I'm no such thing: I've been investing small sums in the market for about four months. Where I am pessimistic is the property market. UK property prices reached levels that were tulip-like. My contention is that it was the bursting of this bubble, not the bansks that lies at the root of the current melt-down that is naturally affecting all asset values.
My optimism for equities is founded on two main factors. First, owning equities is ownership in the global economy. For over 100 years the average annual real rate of economic growth has been 2-3%, during which cycles have played a big part. I think a part of any sset portfolio belongs in the global economy. Shiller, Fama & Co seem to agree.
Second, I agree with Mr Jackson and the posts that the immediate prospects are bad. My persoanl fear is that another slug of unexpected bad news -- Israel nuking Iran's nuclear reactor? -- will propel markets south big-time. Short of that, the reversion to the mean is an inescapable force, so I confidently expect it to restore the global economy to its long-term real rate of growth.
Allow me one more point, from Kenneth Arrow, Nobel prize winner in 1972, about the influence of technological progress on economic growth. In the last 20 years the impact of computer technology and mobile telephony -- the first mobile telpehones were developed at Bell Labs in 1947! -- on stockmarket values has been dramatic. What will the next similar technological driver of growth be? Not being a techy I've no clue. Any ideas?

hadron100 25 Feb 2009 , 9:41am

A question for you more experienced (than me) investors:
It's fairly wildly predicted that we are in for a period of deflation, followed by possibly severe inflation or even hyperinflation.

Would it not be far better to be in shares than cash during a period of inflation?
Wouldn't moderate losses in share value be far less than the loss in the real value of cash?

guykguard 25 Feb 2009 , 11:56am

Hadron100: If I dare to answer your excellent question, I do so more out of interest than experience. As you know well, if prices are falling, switch to cash; if they're rising, switch to assets.
I doubt if anyone knows whether we're in for deflation followed by inflation, but it's a big issue.
My suspicion is that interest rates must rise from 2010. My friend and teacher David Myddelton raises doubts as to the UK government's ability, even, to sell all the gilts needed to finance the bank bail-out! And the UK is not the only country in a similar position! If he's right, the gilts that they do issue will have to be priced right, so I expect interest rates to rise to attract buyers, not least to offset the risk of further falls in sterling's value relative to the US$, euro and yen.
You mention a really scary word: deflation. If that's what we're in for more generally -- and there are plenty of signs in many markets, especially commodities, that it may already be the case -- heaven help us.
For a special mention I'd like to pick out the labour market -- yeah, it's a market much like any other! As a result of the present crisis, I fear significant structural changes in the labour market with a period of higher unemployment levels and a general, small reduction in real wages with a consequent fall in effective demand, especially for discretionary big ticket items like cars, white goods and electronic gadgets. Bad news!
Hence why I share Mr Jackson's support for stocks like GSK -- though they're down this morning, predictably! -- and others like it. Out of the mayhem, the good 'uns that are left will do really well, and those that keep the faith with them will be smiling. But it's scary work, damned scary!


peepobaby 25 Feb 2009 , 11:25pm

When you look at it, shares will probably fall less in value from now than other assets will. Cash is undoubtedely the best asset class that's available but you can only get it by selling assets and most institutional investors just can't hold as much of it as they'd like too so they are looking for other investments. What I see happening now is a battle to own the assets that will fall least in value. Shares are still one of the asset classes that will fall least but individuals would still be better off in cash, no matter how fast the "printing" presses go.

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