Was Selling Barclays And Lloyds Banking Group My Biggest Ever Mistake?

Published in Investing on 14 February 2013

Harvey Jones chose the worst possible time to sell Barclays plc (LON:BARC) and Lloyds Banking Group plc (LON:LLOY) -- will he ever get over it?

Mis-sold

Most investors, like most journalists, hate admitting their mistakes. Since I'm both an investor and a journalist, this is going to be doubly painful, but here goes. I sold my stake in Barclays (LSE: BARC) (NYSE: BCS.US) and Lloyds Banking Group (LSE: LLOY) (NYSE: LYG.US) of 30 December 2011, exactly three days before they finally began a full-blooded recovery. Since I sold, both stocks have roughly doubled in value. And with analysts now slapping the words "strong buy" over both banks, my decision just looks worse by the day. So what does the future hold for these two banking monoliths?

Meat is murder

It has been a good year or so for Barclays and Lloyds, and it just gets better. Shares in Barclays rose 8% on Wednesday, after it filed a 26% year-on-year rise in adjusted pre-tax profit to £7.04 billion, and further gladdened the market by unveiling a massive £1.7 billion cost-cutting plan. Only the stock market could celebrate 3,700 job losses, but since this should generate nearly £500 million worth of savings in the first quarter, you can see why. Investors were also delighted by Barclays' plan to start raising dividend payments from 2014, with the aim of paying 30% of the group's profits over time. These were meaty results, and murder for me.

Lean or mean?

There was a bit of misery for me to cling onto. Barclays still faces potential litigation and class action over its role in fixing LIBOR, and has set aside a whopping £2.6 billion in PPI mis-selling compensation. There is another scandal in the pipeline, for mis-selling Interest Rate Hedging Products to smaller businesses, and nobody knows how much that will cost. Barclays' capital cushion, or core tier 1 ratio, fell slightly, and it posted a £466 million statutory loss for the fourth quarter of 2012. New chief executive Antony Jenkins has no investment banking experience, which worries some analysts. Barclays currently yields just 2%. The only thing it hasn't been accused of in the last five years is mis-selling its own grandmother. Its five new stated values of "respect, integrity, service, excellence and stewardship" sound good in a press conference, but could prove meaningless in practice.

Lloyds' commotions

Lloyds has more than a few problems of its own. It has had to fork more than £5 billion following their PPI mis-selling, and also got caught up in the LIBOR scandal and the interest rate swaps scandal and… oh, I lose count. Many investors will be concerned that its own cost-cutting strategy, shedding 15 of its 30 international activities by 2014, will make the bank unduly dependent on the ailing UK market. LLoyds is still 40% owned by the UK government, and the ultimate sell-off will no doubt dent its share price. If you thought Barclays' 2% yield was bad, Lloyds doesn't pay a dividend at all. As yet, it hasn't been found guilty of mis-selling its own grandmother, but you can't rule anything out.

LLOY? LOL!

Unfortunately for me, there is still plenty to tempt investors. Lloyds boasts a 30% market share in traditional corporate and retail banking, which will be worth something when the recovery comes. Business disposals have boosted its underlying profits and slashed billions off its costs. Its balance sheet and core tier 1 ratio are getting stronger by the day. Even the EU ruling forcing it to sell 632 branches is likely to work in its favour, having little impact on profitability, while giving management one less thing to worry about. As the UK economy grinds back to growth over the next few years, I expect to see Lloyds rise ahead of the market. That's good news for loyal, long-suffering investors, bad news for me.

BARC bites back

And you know the worst thing about all of this? I saw it coming. Even as I clicked the sell button, I sensed the big banks would enjoy the mother of all revivals. They aren't only too big to fail, they are too street-wise. So why did I sell? It was partly for sensible investor reasons, primarily, that their sprawling balance sheets make them impossible to value properly. But the truth is, that doesn't matter. If the UK is to recover, we need the big banks to lead the way. Politicians and central bankers know this, and tailor policy accordingly. You can't keep a good banker down for long, let alone a bad one.

Mis-selling scandal

Over the past six months, Barclays is up 70%, Lloyds is up 62%. No other stock in my portfolio can match that. The worst thing is, there is plenty more to come. Plenty more volatility, yes, but plenty more growth, and eventually, plenty more dividends. So what have I learned from this? Firstly, the virtue of patience. I bought both stocks after the banking crisis, as a speculative punt. But I simply didn't give them enough time. I can't bear to buy them back at today's prices. Banks are famed for their mis-selling scandals, but I have committed an expensive one of my own. As bank stocks continue their recovery, my punishment will last for years.

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> Harvey doesn't hold shares in any company mentioned in this article, and is very, very annoyed...

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mcturra2000 14 Feb 2013 , 11:48am

"New chief executive Antony Jenkins has no investment banking experience, which worries some analysts."

OTOH, Bob Diamond had plenty, and look where that got us.

vinchainsaw 14 Feb 2013 , 11:49am
closetspeculator 14 Feb 2013 , 12:10pm

Nice one, Mcturra2000 :-)

TMFMarkRogers88 14 Feb 2013 , 12:32pm

Harvey - Firstly it's always reassuring to see an investor and journalist talk about their mistakes, it takes some bravery, but is also a mark of integrity. It's helpful to newer investors too, to know that even experts inevitably makes mistakes - I'd recommend anyone to read Buffett's "Mistakes of the first 25 Years" if they ever feel bad about decisions they've made.

In your defence, when the risks in a business are unknowable, is it possible to even invest in a company to begin with?

"their sprawling balance sheets make them impossible to value properly"

As Charles Dow said, "first, know value". And as Lynch, Buffett and others have said, understand the underlying business as thoroughly as possible.

If we cannot reasonably understand a company's liabilities in either the good times or the bad times (and I'm not sure too many investors out there can) then your defence is straightforward - maybe your error was allocating capital towards these companies to begin with?

I'm not smart enough to understand Barclays' liabilities, although I recognise their earnings record to be perhaps the strongest of all the UK banks. By reasonable measures it has been cheap since 2009 if you make certain assumptions about a return to previous earning power - but can we really know what lies in store over the next ten years? In terms of regulation, return on assets, derivatives exposure, or another incident like 2007-2009?

My two favourites (these won't surprise anyone) are Wells Fargo and M&T Bank run by Bob Wilmers. I'd strongly recommend anyone to check out his thoughts on the modern banking industry here:

http://mtb.mediaroom.com/2011message

These are maybe the most straightforward and best run of the large banks I can think of, which I can maybe understand a little better than the extremely complicated and tangled liabilities of the European banks. I'm just not smart enough to look at them objectively - whereas the other operations provide a little more transparency.

Of course, there's no written rule that you have to own a bank at all, an institution intrinsically geared towards the cyclicality of the economy. It's perhaps no surprise that the industry causes so much stress periodically for investors.

ANuvver 14 Feb 2013 , 1:05pm

Well, we all balls it up from time to time.

I'm a cussed contrarian at heart, but my problem with banks (aside from the point already made that their balance sheets are arcane, bordering on incomprehensible) is that their business makes them too damned clever to trust.

If their business is to be cutthroat, underhanded or downright dishonest on issues such as LIBOR, PPI, swap-loans, etc, that doesn't instil confidence in me as to how they might treat shareholders.

Blimey - I see Buffett has just bought a hill of beans...

ianlockley1 14 Feb 2013 , 1:59pm

"I can't bear to buy them back at today's prices."
Isn't this one of the other golden rules, letting your emotions get in the way of a good deal?
A couple of months ago I dipped in to Thomas Cook and then jumped ship when they plateaued, making a small profit but fearing the rise to be a false dawn. I got back in a few weeks ago am I've been enjoying the steady and healthy price rise since.
The moral is... don't let emotions get in the way of a good deal.

intwo 14 Feb 2013 , 2:25pm

If he bought just after the banking crisis he has made a good profit - and a profit is alsways a profit.
The question is not that he sold it is what did he reinvest the money in and how has that performed? (he could have bt Thomas Cook at 28p which is now 90 odd {I bt at 28 and sold at 58 a profit and the money has been reinvested in a stock which has not done as well but is up 40%}

BigJC1 14 Feb 2013 , 3:14pm

Put it behind you -I think if you get in now it's not too late, the fundamentals of market dominance, customer base, market demand, resources, etc are still there and are still undervalued particularly as most of the multi-billion cost savings are just beginning to wash through as is the impact of the upside of being able to borrow government money for ridiculously low rates.

You might not see the leap from 24p to 55p but you might see the leap from 55p to 155p which is still worthwhile.

Clitheroekid 14 Feb 2013 , 8:21pm

I'm sure we all have such tales of hefty profits lost on flipping the coin the wrong way. My own more or less daily injection of gloom is a company called LoQ (LOQ).

They were recommended in August 2008 by that fine Fool Carmensfella. I liked the look of them, but I think I'd been recently burned by another tech stock so decided not to bother. Nevertheless, in my `virtual' portfolio I bought 17,000 at 31p.

Today they stand at £4.56, and my £5,270 investment would now - as my virtual portfolio smirkingly reminds me every evening - be worth £72,080. In fact they rose by 18p today, more than 50% of the original purchase price.

Ah well, it looks like I'll just have to keep working for the time being!

goodlifer 14 Feb 2013 , 9:47pm

MarkRogers88
"It's helpful to newer investors too, to know that even experts inevitably makes mistakes."

An infallible investor - expert or otherwise - would be a more or less instant billionaire.

goodlifer 14 Feb 2013 , 9:48pm
Littleaston 15 Feb 2013 , 8:05am

Well, what is stopping you buying some now, after all you have painted such a rosy pictire of LLOY and BARC

tru2me 15 Feb 2013 , 9:47am

Thanks for being so honest.
Harvey there is another one looming for Barclays?
Has something to do with lending money to the Quataris to buy Barclays shares during the financial crisis so there maybe an entry point, when the findings of this investigation are outed?

compound200 15 Feb 2013 , 11:30am

Don't feel to bad

Plenty of hedge funds have been burned shorting the markets last couple of years

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