When Is A Cheap Share Too Cheap?

Published in Investing on 24 August 2012

P/E ratios aren't everything.

As I wrote the other day, it's not difficult to run your eye down the FTSE 100 (UKX) and spot shares trading on very low price-to-earnings (P/E) ratios.

At the time, I was talking about shares ranked in the upper reaches of the FTSE 100. But rest assured, there are plenty of other cheap-looking shares, further down the pecking order.

Eurasian Natural Resources (LSE: ENRC), for instance, is the second-smallest share in the index, and trades on a prospective P/E of 5.6 -- fractionally lower than Barclays (LSE: BARC), where the consensus has a P/E of 5.2 pencilled in. Put another way, that's around half the P/E of the FTSE 100 as a whole, which is presently trading at around 11.

So are both these shares bargains? If so, at what level does a P/E actually scream 'bargain'? Is a P/E of 8 a bargain? Or should it be 7 -- or 6, or even lower?

Out of favour

Sadly, it's not quite that simple. In isolation, a P/E is just one piece of data that investors should evaluate.

As I wrote -- and comments on the article helpfully amplified -- P/Es are affected by market sentiment, because the numerator part of the ratio, the share price, reflects investor opinion rather than hard fact.

And opinions vary, even of relatively unloved shares. Looking at their P/Es in isolation, market sentiment seems to place a higher worth on Eurasian Natural Resources shares than on Barclays shares.

Really? I don't know about you, but given a choice, I'd rather put money into Barclays than Eurasian Natural Resources, prompted not least by concerns over Kazakh standards of corporate governance.

In other words, P/E is part of the picture, but not the whole jigsaw.

Finding out more

Where you go for the rest of the picture depends in part upon your agenda.

Value investing? Benjamin Graham's classic The Intelligent Investor is difficult to beat. Go for the updated edition with commentary by Jason Zweig, and read the foreword by Warren Buffett first.

Growth investing? Jim Slater's The Zulu Principle would be my choice.

Practical, hard-nosed company evaluation? As I've remarked before, I rather like Anthony Bolton's Investing Against The Tide.

Income investing? Save yourself the price of a book -- or a trip to the library -- and check out the FAQs on The Motley Fool's High Yield Portfolio discussion board.

Simple tests

Stripped to the basics, though, some commonsense tests quickly suggest themselves.

  • What are the trends? Are sales, earnings and dividends rising -- or static, or falling?
  • What is the share price history? And what lies behind any sharp falls?
  • Is the business model one in which you'd be happy investing? Is the market growing or shrinking? Do management seem credible? Is ownership highly concentrated, or foreign-dominated?
  • What do the annual report and accounts say? Net debt? Gearing? Pension deficit? How tangible are the assets? Etc, etc.
  • Finally, what does the 'newsflow' say? Should investors have obvious concerns?

Reality check

At this point, let me share a secret with you. Apply those tests to pretty much any company in the FTSE 100, and you'll spot a red flag. Apply them to cheap-looking shares signalled by a low P/E, and you'll pick up several. There isn't, in short, a cheap-looking share that doesn't have any issues.

So it's all a question of balance, and judgment -- and risk-taking. How would you, for instance, weigh up these three shares?

  • Oil giant BP (LSE: BP) is a business trading on a prospective P/E of 7.0, well into 'cheap' territory. So is it risky -- or simply unloved and out of favour? I take comfort from its ability to shrug off the events that have most recently defined it -- its problems in Russia and the Gulf of Mexico. The world's fourth-largest company in terms of revenues according to the Fortune Global 500, BP is active in 30 countries worldwide, and won't, I reckon, go 'pop' any time soon.
  • Insurance giant Aviva (LSE: AV), trading on a prospective P/E of 6.0, is another share priced well into 'cheap' territory. Boardroom bust-ups, shareholder revolts, euro sovereign debt exposure, and a vast unfocused global business empire are just a few of its troubles. But as with BP, I'm happy to hold, reckoning that the company's 8.0% yield is reward for the relatively modest exposure. Even so, would I buy more? Not without a new CEO in place, and clearer signals regarding the turnround strategy.
  • Mining giant BHP Billiton (LSE: BLT), trading on a P/E of 9.3, is less obviously cheap -- but here, don't forget, we're talking the cyclical resources industry, with a potential China slowdown and global recession on the cards. At 4.0%, the prospective yield is higher than the FTSE's average of 3.7%. Undeniably cheaper than it has been -- BHP has underperformed the FTSE by 15% over the past year -- the risk investors are running is that it could get cheaper yet.

Follow the money

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Underperforming the FTSE by 20% over the past few months, it trades on a prospective P/E of 9.3 -- identical to BHP Billiton -- and offers a tasty 4.8% forecast yield. As I say, the report is free, and can be in your inbox in seconds.

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> Malcolm owns shares in BP and Aviva, but does not have an interest in any other shares named.

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temirzhan 24 Aug 2012 , 12:24pm

I would rather invest in ENRC than Barclays.

The truth is that the banking world is so complex with the sheer volume of transactions and synthetic products, that no one know anything there and everybody pretends to know everything. No one knows how many corpses lie there.

Over time and as the regulators start digging deeper, those corpses will emerge. So, banking is ultra-risky, even investing is allegedly safe banks such as HSBC and Standard Chartered (who would have thought?!)

The Kazakh Government actually has a big stake in ENRC and the President personally as well. it is run by the President's friends/allies. So, the Government would actually LOBBY for ENRC rather than clamp down on it. The interests of directors and shareholders are quite aligned in this company.

Fittster 24 Aug 2012 , 12:31pm

Barclays doesn't seem to have been control by corporate governance over the last few years.

vinchainsaw 24 Aug 2012 , 12:32pm

Great article Malcolm.

"The Kazakh Government actually has a big stake in ENRC and the President personally as well. it is run by the President's friends/allies."

Not sure that provides me with any comfort... politics and business dont make good bed fellows on the whole. Political cronyism is great... until it isnt.

vinchainsaw 24 Aug 2012 , 12:33pm

I think there is a lot to be said for risk tolerance here too.
The greater your risk tolerance the lower you'd be prepared to go on a PE basis.

trmeer 24 Aug 2012 , 1:19pm

If I see another fool writer using the adjectives "tasty" or "juicy" to describe dividends again I think I am going to go mad.

temirzhan 24 Aug 2012 , 2:07pm

To vinchainsaw: We are not talking about democracy or human rights here. We are talking about whether the Kazakh Government would ever interfere with/clamp down on ENRC. It won't - it will do its best to promote it. From that point of view, one shouldn't be afraid that their investment will go bust just because the Government decided to prosecute or levy fines or nationalise or smth. It won't do that. They all have stakes in it.

And it is almost certain that ENRC will do better than Barclays it terms of share appreciation within 3 to 5 years. Because financial machinations will keep being uncovered and trust in banks will never get restored to pre-2008 levels, while the world (Asia esp) will always need to eat, keep warm and make expensive toys.

ENRC is down because nearly all miners are now down: they are cyclical. When the markets recover, ENRC will get re-rated. People will be sorry then that they were too cautious.

vinchainsaw 24 Aug 2012 , 2:55pm

temirzhan,

Sorry I probably couldve expressed myself better.

Suffice to say I'm not now going to go into a long explanation of myself, except to ask:
What happens when the president, and by association his family and cronies, is no longer in power?


goodlifer 24 Aug 2012 , 3:03pm

vinchainsaw

"The greater your risk tolerance the lower you'd be prepared to go on a PE basis."

Some people might take the opposite view.

Either way, it's too risky for me.

goodlifer 24 Aug 2012 , 3:14pm

Hi Doc,

Many thanks for your article on diversification.
Nothing startlingly new came out, but I think everything became a little clearer and some misconceptions were swept away.

How about having a go at asset allocation?
My own view is it's a load of academic rubbish, but I may be quite wrong, and I hate to think I may be missing something worthwhile.

Anyway you're doing a great job, much appreciated.

goodlifer 24 Aug 2012 , 5:18pm

"A P/E is just one piece of data that investors should evaluate."
Too right.
But it's one of the most important ones

FWIW here's our latest checklist; items in no special order, and we're investing primarily for income.

1) Would we be happy to work for this firm, if need be, or for one of the family to do so?

2) Does it fit in with the rest of our portfolio?
For reasonable diversification we like to have at least fifteen differnt holdings.
In practice there seems to be no upper limi. the more the merrier.
We don't like any holding to make up more than about 7% of our portfolio, less if possible.

3) Yield
Ideally not below 4 or 5%,
Check dividend cover, history and forecasts

4) Price Earnings Ratio.
Never - well, hardly ever - more than ten times earnings, ideally seven times or less.
Check earnings' history and forecasts

5) Check stockholders' equity.

Inevitably we have to compromise - find a share that ticks all boxes, it'll probably go down the tube before the ink's dry on the contract note.
One of the reasons why we diversify.

If you like the look of a share it's fatally easy to forget the very real possibility it may go sour on you.
More of a disaster if you've bought it for 20 times earnings than for 5.

temirzhan 24 Aug 2012 , 9:01pm

Vinchainsaw: I suppose I know what I am talking about, as I work for an investment bank and I am originally from Kazakhstan (you may say I am biased). I know banks as an insider and I know Kazakhstan as an insider.
And I would rather trust my money to Kazakhstan than to banks.
People don't know much about this country in the West, unfortunately, but it is quite a Westernised society with lots of cash around and only 3% Government debt.
How ironic that some people would invest in National Express whose largest market is Spain rather than in debt-free Kazakhstan.
Bu I suppose I am still young at 29 and I have money so I can adopt a riskier approach in search of big money.

johandesilva 26 Aug 2012 , 10:20am

@temirzhan

What are your views on Gold start up HMB in Kazakhstan and the risk?

goodlifer 26 Aug 2012 , 2:57pm

temirzhan
" I can adopt a riskier approach in search of big money."

Most people with this approach lose money in the end.
So enjoy yourself, and the best of luck!

Prof103 27 Aug 2012 , 10:55am

-- P/Es are affected by market sentiment, because the numerator part of the ratio, the share price, reflects investor opinion rather than hard fact.

And opinions vary, even of relatively unloved shares. Looking at their P/Es in isolation, market sentiment seems to place a higher worth on Eurasian Natural Resources shares than on Barclays shares.


The P part of the P/E ratio is the price the market is prepared to pay for the share in question given it's prospective earnings E. That the P/E ratio of one share is higher than another reflects the fact that the market judges that share to have better earnings growth possibilities. So I would say that the real uncertainity is in the "E" rather than the "P" since I can liquidate my entire portfolio at quoted market price P.

P103

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