What Is Value?

Published in Investing on 26 July 2012

Stephen Bland explains value shares to a novice.

Not perhaps as dumb a question as it might at first appear. Experienced investors will understand what it means, but over the years there have been numerous posts to the value board from people -- and I don't mean trolls -- suggesting shares that are not value in the sense we employ it there.

I was at a barbecue last weekend, and I experienced the usual icebreaker questions from people I didn't know of "what do you do?". I've regarded this question, to which one is expected to reply in kind after having given the required answer, as quite dull and have been tempted to invent stuff in the past. You know the kind of thing, "I'm an astronaut, but I've had to retire because the prolonged weightlessness has caused my brain to float down to my posterior" sort of response.

So these days, in a desperate attempt to combine a simulacrum of the truth with a helping of mystique, I say I'm a writer -- especially if I'm trying to impress a woman, though at my age there's admittedly little potential physical reward in so doing but old habits die hard. Don't laugh, it's better than saying I'm a chartered accountant, then have to observe the inevitable glazing over of their eyes and the looking over my shoulder at someone, anyone, more worthwhile speaking to than me, aka the party leper.

Writer's block

The trouble is once I say I'm a writer, I fall into my own trap I've dug when, interest perked, they naturally ask what I write. I'm too honest to tell complete porkies here about a Hollywood screenplay, the Great British Novel or a cutting-edge TV sitcom, so I mumble something about share investing and, not unexpectedly, I start to lose them at this stage.

Having discovered that I'm not the new Shakespeare, those that can still bear proximity to me then ask for some more information, probably more out of politeness than any real interest in what to most people is a boring subject. So I tell them in tones calculated to endow it with similar appeal to proper writing that it's about value share trading, and a related strategy of long-term high-yield share income investing.

Cher, and share alike

"What's value shares?" This from someone who thinks 'share' was a well-known but now ageing and less seen singer and actress... I tell them of what happens quite often in the likes of Tesco (LSE: TSCO), Sainsbury (LSE: SBRY) and Morrisons (LSE: MRW). For example, a few days ago they were selling packs of chocolate digestive biscuits for some price. Also, they had twin packs of the same product. Now normally and logically you would expect that the twin pack price would be somewhat lower than two individual packs. But no, in this case it was quite a bit cheaper to buy two singles than the double. I saw another example very recently with cans of tomato soup. The "bargain" four-can pack was significantly dearer than four same individual cans.

I don't know why this occurs, but I've seen it frequently with many different products in supermarkets. It is not a rare thing and therefore I assume not a mistake on their part, they know about it. But to locate these mispricings, you have to work out the unit cost and compare. I suspect a lot of shoppers don't do that. These are everyday examples of the meaning of value. We're talking of relatively small amounts of money here, but it was the principle I was attempting to illustrate.

Shares are like a box of chocolate biscuits...

As it goes with chocolate biscuits and soup, so it goes with shares. But not exactly, because the shares being compared are not -- unlike the above -- identical. However, the broad idea is the same, to try and get more bang for your buck by analysing situations, looking for those that offer more value than others.

This value is measured by common share analysis criteria, a lot of which are based on price and others on the internal figures of the company. The idea is that value investors think it should not be trading so low even though the market is saying that's all it's worth. It's mispriced in other words. But this is an art, not a science because there is room for opinion. That contrasts with my biscuits and soup, and so on, where there can be no argument about which is the better value.

And that's what I write about, I told her. Picking her up off the grass from where she had collapsed from terminal boredom, she returned the compliment by asking whether I knew the awful ingredients of chocolate digestives and the way they are obtained. Something about damaging the herds of Belgian yaks who had been overmilked to supply the chocolate production. A green bore, just about the only thing more numbing than financial stuff. My eyes glazed over, I started looking over her shoulder...

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> Stephen does not own any of the shares mentioned in this article. The Motley Fool owns shares in Tesco.

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nocashnoidea 26 Jul 2012 , 2:59pm

Nice article Stephen, although I can't help noticing that you haven't mentioned Neil Woodford or Warren Buffet. I'd have thought that was against MF policy :-)

TMFTheSnake 26 Jul 2012 , 4:16pm

Well, now you've taken care of that! Well done! ;)

blackwhite 26 Jul 2012 , 4:38pm

I actually enjoyed that article and I am warming to your style now Pyad :-)

It's taken me 13 years or so, you can't blame me for being too quick to judge!

breelander 26 Jul 2012 , 5:19pm

The Motley Fool owns shares in Tesco.

and I own a pack of Chocolate Digestives. I thought I was the only one to have spotted that odd quirk of pricing policy.

antannas 26 Jul 2012 , 5:27pm

I'm gravely disappointed......my wife's shopping bag contained a double pack of chocolate digestives.I shall have to have words and cut her bonus!

ajc5001 26 Jul 2012 , 7:17pm

The Motley Fool owns shares in Tesco.

And so does Berkshire Hathaway. ;-)

What else does TMF own? Shares in Invesco Perpetual perhaps?

giveaholic 27 Jul 2012 , 12:19am

Yawn, no wonder the girls are bored....

liesarenocomfort 27 Jul 2012 , 6:29am

... the inevitable glazing over of their eyes and the looking over my shoulder at someone, anyone, more worthwhile speaking to than me, aka the party leper.

Stephen, I suggest after 'fessing your profession you do a follow up accountant joke to break the ice. There are lots to choose from, but here's one:

An accountant is having a hard time sleeping and goes to see his doctor.
"Doctor, I just can't get to sleep at night."
"Have you tried counting sheep?"
"That's the problem - I make a mistake and then spend three hours trying to find it."

BFTB 27 Jul 2012 , 9:29am

Top article! You're a chartered accountant? You're wasted man, wasted!

rober00 27 Jul 2012 , 11:43am

Good Stuff Stephen, especially for no mention of the blessed Woodford or the saintly Buffett!!!

Cisk999 27 Jul 2012 , 1:12pm

Stephen, liked your recent short video on moneyweek http://www.moneyweek.com/investment-advice/how-to-invest/strategies/stephen-bland-dvl-video.

Just tell partygoers you're the UK answer to Warren Buffet. If they say 'Who?' then it's your turn to walk off.

ANuvver 27 Jul 2012 , 1:52pm

I sympathise Stephen. I don't like people to know I'm a private investor, so I tend to tell them I'm a journalist (only slight stretch since I used to be). Really, they reply, and enquire further as to what I write about - drooling with expectations of scurrilous exposes of the rich and famous. Business and economics - and... they're under.

Luniversal 27 Jul 2012 , 3:22pm

I used to tell the ladies "I'm an auditor, so you tell me what drives you wild and I'll draw a chart of your internal out-of-control system."

ANuvver 27 Jul 2012 , 7:15pm

That last comment certainly added value, but I do hope it was also ISO-compliant...

divitiae 28 Jul 2012 , 4:41pm

I suspect biscuits are priced according to supply and demand regardless of what value they offer the end user,If the end user makes an asumption about value then this affects demand.

goodlifer 29 Jul 2012 , 3:32pm

I like to think I sort of know the difference between value and price, but when I try to put it into words I find myself spouting meaningless waffle.

Perhaps it doesn't really matter, but can any any of you do better?

Many thanks.

ANuvver 30 Jul 2012 , 10:56am

Surely value is no more or less than what you think price *should* be. If and when others come round to your opinion, the value "outs".

The reason value and price diverge is perception of risk. In a world where future outcomes were knowable, price would always equal value.

goodlifer 30 Jul 2012 , 11:53pm

Thanks, ANuvver
Let's say Mr Market offers us Plastic pills at 97p.

You think they/re worth - ie their price "should" be - 95p.
So "value to you" is 95p.

I think they're worth 99p.
So "value to me" is 99p.

Who's wrong?
Or are we both right?

If so, what's their "real" value?
Or is it all just what somebody thinks?
Or a guess at what the price is going to be some time in the future/

Ask me another.

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