The Next Bull Run Has Started

Published in Investing on 9 February 2012

When will stock markets turn upwards again? It’s probably already happened.

Calling the tops and bottoms of markets is a mug's game, but it can be enlightening to have a look at influences on investor confidence and get a feel for roughly where we are in the cycle of things.

And at the moment, I think there are plenty of hints that we've passed the bottom and have healthier investment times just ahead of us. Here's why I think so...

Europe back from the brink

Just a few short months ago, Europe was on the brink, with the bears growling about Greece, Italy and Spain being set to topple like cards, one after the other, as each one failed to service its debts. Bond yields were rising, as nobody wanted to lend money to the countries in trouble.

But we're past that, the Greek bailout is going to be agreed any day now, Italian and other bond yields are falling and it looks like the eurozone is going to hang together after all. Sure, we still have a couple of tight years ahead of us when inflation is likely to outstrip wages and growth will be very low. But we're starting to see some daylight again.

Global economy is safe

Doomsayers have been forecasting a hard landing for the Chinese economy, amid understandable fears that its 10% average growth rate over the past 30 years cannot be sustained forever. That's had an adverse effect on commodity prices, on companies that produce and trade in them, and ultimately on the whole market.

But any fears of a repeat of the 1997 Asian financial crisis are far-fetched. Back then, large foreign debts and bubble economies based on real-estate inflation, coupled with the forced floating or devaluation of currencies, battered the regional economy.

But China, with a strong balance of trade surplus, is in nothing like that condition. A slowdown is on the cards, but it's unlikely there'll be anything like a crash.

And even in the heavily debt-laden US, there is growth of around 2.5% forecast for the next couple of years.

Maximum pessimism is past

When was the point of maximum pessimism? Apart from the credit crunch itself, I reckon it was probably August to December last year.

People who were bemoaning the falling value of their houses a year ago are just living in them now, and the "everyone is going to be millionaire landlord" days are long gone. And the people in the pub who used to look at me as if I'm weird and say, "Shares? You must be mad!" have forgotten all about it.

The flight to gold, which has no real worth, appears to have let up as well. After the price powered on up and scraped the $1,900-an-ounce level back in September, it's pretty much levelled off and had been bouncing around going nowhere since. The flow of money into gold looks like it's drying up, and I expect it to start reversing before much longer.

Credit is loosening

Some small businesses are still having trouble getting loans, but in the past week I've had a credit card limit increased and a 12-month interest-free transfer offer, so they're at least trying to lend me money. And, in the absence of a fresh round of European crises, our damaged banks are looking like they're getting back on track.

Shares are on the up

I'm not one for trying to predict things from charts, but it does look like investors are slowly returning to sense and seeing shares in public companies for what they are -- the best long-term investment there is.

The FTSE 100 has been in an intermittent recovery since the depths of the financial crisis, and even the Greek panic only caused a fairly mild dip late last year. Since then, it's been back on the up, and is very likely to breach the completely arbitrary and unimportant 6,000 level before much longer (and we should expect some headlines when it does).

Good shares out there

And there are some great shares out there, whose depressed prices make their dividends look very attractive. As we have recently reported, you can get a good 5% from GlaxoSmithKline (LSE: GSK) these days, and around 4% from super-safe Unilever (LSE: ULVR).

Then there's Vodafone (LSE: VOD), with a forecast dividend yield of around 7%! And perennial favourite Tesco (LSE: TSCO) is still nearly 20% down since its Christmas trading update, and offering more than 4%.

And if that's not a bargain to kick-start the next bull run, I don't know what is.

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alarmbells 09 Feb 2012 , 9:25am

The optimistic events and interpretations you point to are down to all the western central banks (now ECB has joined the game) pumping money - either Gilt or TBond buying (Fed and BoE) or lending at zero% to banks (ECB) so they can buy Spanish and Italian debt at 5% or 6%.

The US cannot afford to continue its deficit.

I think it will all end in tears. But then i've been saying that for months and have so far succeeded only in not participating in the latest rally. Grrrrrr.

mcturra2000 09 Feb 2012 , 10:21am

It's also interesting to look at Google Trends. Here's the trend for "Eurozone":
http://www.google.com/trends/?q=eurozone&ctab=0&geo=all&date=ytd&sort=0
You see that it peaked in Dec 2011, and has since been in decline. I doubt that it will reach its maximum again unless we get something major like a default or an expulsion. So the Eurozone is likely to be old news from hereon in.

Last year, if you did the same for "Japan", you would have seen a similar pattern.

Of course, you never know where the peak is until some time afterwards.

jeff700 09 Feb 2012 , 12:11pm

Hooray! It's1982 all over again! Shares are soaring, that naughty gold is getting it's long over due comeuppance and inflation is whipped, for ever!

billyboy121 09 Feb 2012 , 12:17pm

I must admit that I found this article to be optimistic, at the least - the Greek bailout is either going to involve some significant write offs or a heavy burden on the Greek people, which they are unlikely to tolerate bearing for long enough to settle all of the outstanding debt.

The move from the export led economic growth to internal markets in China is arguably sustained to an extent by a real property bubble and the Chinese govt is working hard to contain that.

I agree that the markets are more confident and share prices are reflecting that but that confidence is as much sentiment as fundamentals. Any bad news and the trend is likely to be reversed as much as anything.

LastChip 09 Feb 2012 , 12:24pm

I'm convinced, the crash is yet to come.

You can't buy your way out of debt and that's exactly what governments throughout Europe are trying to do.

This time of year is traditionally good for the market. I for one, am not going to get suckered in.

If I'm wrong and I miss a rally, sobeit. I won't loose any sleep.

GoldenSoldier 09 Feb 2012 , 12:34pm

Yes, I agree with Billyboy. As you say, Alan, forecasting tops and bottoms is a mugs game. Perhaps Greece will be bailed out, perhaps not, but in any case the Eurozone is ultimately unsustainable. My policy remains regular investment drips to minimise timing errors, with a bias towards the dips.

GS

TMFBoing 09 Feb 2012 , 1:18pm

My policy remains regular investment drips to minimise timing errors, with a bias towards the dips.

Can't argue with that!

Foolish best,
Alan
TMFBoing

salmo365 09 Feb 2012 , 1:19pm

I'm quite happy holding good divedend payers in this environment but I'm not going anywhere near the speculative growth stuff.

drfuzz 09 Feb 2012 , 1:59pm

I agree with lastchip, there is still a crash to come.

Before the year started I thought we would see a collapse at some point during the year of the first half of next year, probably March as Greece will almost certainly have to default, orderly or otherwise. However, the agreement on budget rules for the eurozone+8 seems to have bought some false optimism, so March now looks less likely IMO.

However.... the conditions of this agreement on budgets, which enters in January 2014, are in my opinion still not realistic for a lot of countries. I think that this will become apparent later in the year or at the beginning of next year as deficits fail to fall, there's a new save the euro initiative and as a result we will see another market collapse (maybe the last in this particular episode). I simply cannot see how Ireland, Portugal, Greece and possibly even spain are going to meet the 3% criteria when they're currently running deficits of 6-11% despite having already made significant cuts. You have to wonder how much more can be cut in some cases, just look at the difficulty Greece has in passing the cuts at the moment to get the next tranche of its bailout and it's deficit was estimated at 8% last year!

I almost certainly won't be buying in this bull run - just largely holding on to what I've got, putting new money in the bank and waiting for the crash I'm expecting, when (fingers crossed) a lot of bargains will be found

kvet 09 Feb 2012 , 2:12pm

Call me a cock-eyed optimist, but I think this is the start of a serious bull market. We in the West are not making the same economic mistakes as Japan, nor do we have the same save-for-a rainy-day temperament. In particular we Brits just can't wait to get spending freely again-it may have already started. Any chance of a UK trade surplus? Don't make me laugh! Leave that to the Germans and the Swiss-they need us rather more than we need them.

theRealGrinch 09 Feb 2012 , 2:20pm

shares will be lower during 2012

ANuvver 09 Feb 2012 , 3:12pm

My ammunition is getting rusty...

As per the Greek situation, it seems that FTSE at 6 has just became almost inevitable. Oh well, corporate bonds for now.

DashingDave123 09 Feb 2012 , 3:14pm

I expect the market to go up but don't recommend stagnant or falling old companies like GSK and TSCO. Dividend fans have been advocating Tesco for years. Now it has dropped from 400 to 320 that has cancelled out all the dividends and with Leahy retired it is unlikely to recover.

YeOldPhart 09 Feb 2012 , 5:06pm

I couldn't disagree more that a new Bull Run has started. The Eurozone has NOT sorted its problems - it has just kicked the ball down the road again. There are major elections to be held in the big EU countries as well. The Americans gave a big tax discount last year for capital investment which will not happen this year AND there is the US Presidential election which will lock up American decision making. Earnings per share of the S&P500 is actually falling so you can be sure the same will occur for the UK FTSE 100 companies as well.
We are clearly not out of the mire since the BoE still feels the need to QE!!
This is one of those so-called "dead cat bounces" or false dawns or whatever other phrase you prefer!!
I will hang on to my cash for the crash which will occur this year - maybe mid year or again in autumn....

snoekie 09 Feb 2012 , 6:01pm

I am with lastchip and drfuzz. We ain't seen nuttin yet.

You cannot ignore all the debts, as the US and EU are doing.

When there are a couple of defaults the dominoes will topple.

TMFBoing 09 Feb 2012 , 6:27pm

Folks,

Many thanks for all your comments so far - please keep them coming.

I think the response supports my argument that the time of maximum pessimism is behind us - had I written this article in September, I reckon I'd have had 100% disagreement, and now it looks like it's only about 90% :-)

Foolish best,
Alan
TMFBoing

giveaholic 09 Feb 2012 , 7:14pm

Wish April would hurry up so I can put more money into my shares ISA. There are good opportunities for income seekers out there.

snoekie 09 Feb 2012 , 7:41pm

Boing, methinks you are not ringing any bells.

If this is a bull run, it will be fools, in the sense of idiots. The cat has merely bounced a bit higher,, IMO.

Notahope 09 Feb 2012 , 7:57pm

So if the putative bull market is a false dawn, is gold still a good bet?

harryhoudini 09 Feb 2012 , 8:43pm

Very interesting article and comments and I am in 2 minds now. First only Greek Ministers/spokespersons are saying agreement is close- per Sarkozy and Merkel who both got fed up of the untruths of the Greek PM last summer, can you really believe anything the Greeks are saying until all the t's are crossed and i's are dotted and the signatures are dried? Even then can the Greek Authorities deliver on their promises? I think not. My view before reading the comments was that the Greeks are still in denial. The comments made me think twice but I have now resolved so: from the outside the Greeks have a clear rational choice which is to agree a debt restructuring on the whatever terms they can get and deliver on their promises. Inside Greece, can they really face up to the austerity that is required, I don't think so. From the outside the Greek financial system & tax gathering is completely broken and corrupt. Inside Greece paying your taxes is seen as voluntary and only a fool would pay before being forced to pay. The Greek Authorities do not have the wherewithal to collect the taxes to pay for their spending far less start to repay their debts. So it is merely a matter of time 'til the process goes kaput. I think Sarkozy & Merkel will keep the Euro alive and well, Greece will become a .... words fail me.
I have my portfolio 90% in Japan hoping to gain from the more robust Far-east economies and minimise the shock from the Greek shrapnel.They had there crises in 1998 and it is still fresh enough in their minds not to allow any of their number the kind of free-wheeling spending the Greeks, ( and other Europeans,) have been indulging in.
Happy Investing
hh

reinvestmentman 09 Feb 2012 , 9:32pm

If the bull market has started then just hold on to what youve got and watch the captial gain roll in,otherwise if it crashes again its bargain time and time to buy more cheap divi paying quality shares.The key is not to panic when markets are down and not start paying too much when markets are up.

OldJock 09 Feb 2012 , 9:37pm

Hi Alan,
Interesting article - thanks for flying the kite and inviting opinions. I'm new to investing so happy to defer to older and (hopefully) wiser heads... but... for me this rally stinks of the "bear"... the underlying problems have not been fixed - merely kicked down the road so we can 'forget' about them.
I have held back approx 50% of my portfolio (cash) and have not reinvested any dividends since August '11 in the hope that the long expected 'real' crash to 3000 or so comes soon! Then I fully expect to pile into my watch list of shares for the long term...
I guess we'll see in the coming months.
Yours,
Old Jock
PS I've been trimming some of my 'higher' priced holdings as I feel the market is too high based on the easing of debt with - more debt (!@?*)

wagontrain 10 Feb 2012 , 9:03am

As regards the Greeks,I agree with harryhoudini's observation that they are still in fiscal denial.No way in the world should they still be within the Euro mechanism.
In my opinion the market has already priced in a default & sort confidence from other markets which are showing early signs of recovery.Yes, the inevitable Greek default will hurt the Market but It will be more of a pause than a melt down.

ram59 10 Feb 2012 , 2:03pm

the Greek bailout is going to be agreed any day now

Apologies Alan, I disagree.
The Greek politicians are just making the right noises to placate Sarkozy/Merkel, IMF, etc.
The ordinary Greeks do not think they are being represented.
IMHO we are in for some Greek civil unrest.
Followed by ...

DesparadoDan 11 Feb 2012 , 6:36pm

I'm inclined to agree this could be the start of a bull market.

It won't affect my approach - paying regularly into a stocks and shares ISA I'm effectively fully invested - I'll ride the troughs and the peaks but at least not have to worry about timing.

Surely a Greek default is 'in the price' now - where's the new news there?
USA seems to be in recovery mode - yes it's horribly indebted, but if it can embark on sustained growth, the day of reckoning will be postponed and a bull run ensue for good value shares.
China seems to have avoided a hard landing and is gently defusing its property bubble.
Meanwhile all the fundamentals - growing world population and transfer of wealth to the East from West will continue to drive up commodities and opportunities for good companies selling in those growing markets.
Of course things could get worse, but I reckon in 10 years time people will look at today as a pretty good time to buy........
Dan

TMFBoing 11 Feb 2012 , 8:06pm

Hi ram59,

Apologies Alan, I disagree.
The Greek politicians are just making the right noises to placate Sarkozy/Merkel, IMF, etc


You may be right - but even if the Greek bailout turns sour at this late stage, I actually don't think it will do much real harm to the UK stock market, because I think the fear is pretty much already built into share prices.

There'll be a downwards blip, but when we look back in a few years time I reckon it will be almost invisible on the long term chart.

Foolish best,
Alan
TMFBoing

curedum 14 Feb 2012 , 2:25pm

Bond yields are very low and likely to remain so for some time. Central Banks are still creating fiat money, much of which will eventually find a home in shares (and perhaps gold & collectables).

Equities will continue to do relatively well whilst the money printing is maintained. Whether this amounts to a proper "bull market" is less clear.

motivefinder 20 Feb 2012 , 11:37pm

well, 2012 will be year for mega bull rally , as like 2009
I could see its all ready started, in next few weeks( actually about 14 days) it will be real mega bull rally start.
So I closed all my shorts in the market, from trader want to be long term investors for at least a year time frame.
There will be time to time consolidation in the market, but over all its going to be a bull market.

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