You Won't Get Rich Investing 5% A Year

Published in Investing on 7 February 2012

British savers and investors have a lot to learn from their Chinese counterparts.

When it comes to saving and investing for a brighter future, we Brits are light years behind many of our overseas cousins.

China's serious savers

For proof, take a look at the following table, compiled using data from Lloyds TSB's latest survey into savings levels in three leading economies:

CountryProportion of
income saved
China47%
Germany10%
UK7%

The table shows the proportion of disposable income saved, on average, by the citizens of each country. As you can see, we Brits save an average of 7% of our disposable income each year, whereas German savers salt away a tenth (10%) of their spare cash.

However, when it comes to saving, the Chinese lead the world, with a truly astonishing savings ratio of 47%. In other words, the citizens of the Middle Kingdom presently set aside nearly half of their take-home earnings. This ratio has risen steeply in the past decade; in 2001, it was 27%.

What's more, while modern Brits have largely forgotten how to save, this habit is deeply ingrained in Chinese culture. While one in nine Brits (11%) has no savings at all, a mere one in 30 (3%) Chinese adults has no savings, investments or pensions.

In addition, share ownership has become very widespread in of this new era of Chinese capitalism. Roughly three in five Chinese adults own shares, unit trusts and other collective investments -- a much higher proportion than in the UK or Germany.

Britain falls far behind

Of course, the incredibly high level of personal savings in China reflects an almost total lack of social security and welfare benefits in that fast-growing nation. With little or no state benefits and pensions to fall back on, Chinese workers know that, when times turn tough, they can rely only on themselves and their own safety nets.

Even so, there is a staggeringly wide gap between the size of British and Chinese savings pots. Here in the UK, a typical household has just over £5,000 in savings and investments. In Germany, this figure is roughly £8,600 per family unit. In China, the typical savings pot is over £19,300, which is almost four times the UK figure.

Furthermore, the huge income gap between the UK and China further demonstrates that the Chinese are the world's most successful savers.

Here in the UK, GDP (gross domestic product, or total national output) per person neared $36,000 in 2011. According to the International Monetary Fund, the UK has the 22nd-highest GDP per capita in the world. In China, GDP per head was under $8,400 last year, putting the People's Republic in 90th place.

Alas, recent trends suggest that the UK's savings gap is widening. In the past year, the average savings pot has shrunk by around £600, which is a decline of a ninth (11%). Meanwhile, in China, the average savings pot grew in size by 7% in the past 12 months.

How much do you save and invest?

Clearly, the UK's savings pots are too small and our savings ratio is pitifully low. Indeed, for those aiming to be rich or even comfortably well-off in the future, saving around 5% to 10% of disposable income simply isn't enough.

For the record, I consider even a savings ratio of 10% of take-home pay to be merely an 'entry-level' commitment to a brighter financial future. Since the late Nineties, I have been saving between 25% and 75% of my after-tax earnings into stocks and shares. In fact, in some years, I have paid 100% of my before-tax salary into a pension, in order to grab the maximum tax relief possible.

Finally, here at the Fool, we are very interested to find out what proportion of their incomes our readers save and invest. Please let us know in the comments box below!

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atalbot9 07 Feb 2012 , 6:02pm

Living in Dubai it was about 80%, back in London it's about 25%!

But this is as a single 26 year old - I have no idea how I could support a family and still save!

jaizan 07 Feb 2012 , 6:40pm

I try to save about 67% of my take home income.
That's achieved through very low living costs, rather than a very high income. Unfortunately.

liesarenocomfort 07 Feb 2012 , 6:40pm

Sorry Cliff, you lost me after "ratio of 47%. In other words ...nearly half..."

Any chance you could re-do that in terms of Olympic swimming pools or areas the size of Wales?

Millsee 07 Feb 2012 , 7:00pm

Cliff,

Would you comment on the hypothesis that pensions are simply a form of tax-deferment rather than "tax relief"?

Chinanigel 07 Feb 2012 , 11:12pm

I am a Brit but my wife is Chinese.
We probably save around 90% of our disposable income.
Most readers could not begin to comprehend the lengths that Chinese people will go to to save one penny!
People will say they don't want to live miserable lives to save so hard but when they retire it will be too late......

ponym 07 Feb 2012 , 11:30pm

Cliff

With little or no state benefits and pensions to fall back on, Chinese workers know that, when times turned tough, they can rely only on themselves and their own safety nets.

Do you know whether those same Chinese workers could, as Private Investors, build an High Yield Portfolio as practised on the High Yield Practical Board using Chinese or Global Companies?

If they can, please tell pyad.

LiverpoolDelta 08 Feb 2012 , 1:39am

Im single, morgage paid off - I save 90%

I live off the other 10% plus whatever I make in divs & interest.

BIACS 08 Feb 2012 , 2:18am

"In China, the typical savings pot is over £19,300"
- is this accurate? If so I am staggared - are you seriously telling me that this is the average savings of every family in China (including all of those working out in the rural areas living at a subsistence level)? I think there is something wrong with these figures. I also doubt the 47% ratio of the headline figures. I suspect this only applies to Chinese working in the cities (which is only 50% of the population in PRC), or excludes those people who do not save at all and only includes people who actually HAVE savings.

BIACS 08 Feb 2012 , 2:25am

staggered

Before anyone corrects the typo!

JonnyHopeful 08 Feb 2012 , 6:51am

I agree with BIACS. Although I have no doubt that the Chinese have a much stronger savings culture than the British, the figures given in Cliff's article simply can't be correct in a country where almost a third of the population live on less than $2 a day (or in other words, effectively live in a pre-cash rural subsistence economy). I would be very interested to see more details on how the figure's were calculated.

Regarding how much I save, this very much depends on how much I'm earning (I don't increase my expenditure due to increased income). At the moment I'm temporarily abroad on an expat package and am saving about 65% of my post-tax income. Back in England, it's more like 20%.

dhorsley 08 Feb 2012 , 9:16am

I save ~30% of my net pay, but I also pay ~ 15% of gross pay into the company DB pension scheme and into AVCs which comes off my salary before tax.

kempiejon 08 Feb 2012 , 10:40am

I think there's a difference between disposal income and take home earnings but I don't think that is clear here.

"the proportion of disposable income saved, on average, by the citizens of each country. As you can see, we Brits save an average of 7% of our disposable income each year, whereas German savers salt away a tenth (10%) of their spare cash.

However, when it comes to saving, the Chinese lead the world, with a truly astonishing savings ratio of 47%. In other words, the citizens of the Middle Kingdom presently set aside nearly half of their take-home earnings'

Disposal income is after costs like housing and energy etc, take home earnings is salary after taxes and deductions.

apprenticeDRL 08 Feb 2012 , 10:40am

I would guess that people who read Motley fool would be high percentage savers by nature.
However what suprises me is that the average UK household only has savings of £5000? Does this include pensions? if so that is staggering.

MAACPRIME 08 Feb 2012 , 1:27pm

You have to account for home equity as a measure of savings\investments etc. since it is an asset, albeit illiquid and subject to swings.

nocashnoidea 09 Feb 2012 , 1:20pm

My experience is that most people I have spoken to feel that there's no point saving. As at the point you need assistance from the government (in old age say) your savings are taken into consideration when determining what help you get. They think that the amount they can save is not enough to offset this and make it worthwhile.
I hope I've explained that well enough, I know what I mean!

jaizan 09 Feb 2012 , 8:09pm

nocasdnoidea summarizes the situation quite well.

There's such a culture of taxing people & redistributing it via benefits, the incentive to save, invest & even grow businesses is reduced.

Our government really need to cut back on this means testing nonsense & restore incentives to work and save.
So that means the wilfully indolent need to be barely scraping a living.
Then every increase in a persons earnings can translate into a real increase in disposable income.

krustallos 09 Feb 2012 , 9:26pm

@nocashnoidea while there's probably some truth in what you say, the thing about means tested benefits is that the authorities really only know about what you tell them about. I've worked in the field, and while you can't tell people to tuck most of their assets out of sight, you can certainly think it. Of course the real aim should be to get into a position where state benefits are pretty much pocket money and you don't need to care one way or the other about means testing. Most people could get into that position if they started early enough. But we (me included) mostly don't think about these things in our twenties...

FitLawton 10 Feb 2012 , 12:40pm

If people saved the Financial Planner's recommended 15% from when they entered the workforce they would be OK. The Chinese rate at 47% is extreme, as is the US at around 0. Moderation wins the day in most matters. I find it hard to believe that one of the posters here claims they save 90% of their salary. That is unless they both work at Goldman Sachs and live in a council house

mao44 10 Feb 2012 , 12:40pm

We save 50% of our net pay but I also pay 5% of gross pay into the company DC pension scheme. We are a family of four and paid off the mortgage about 8 years ago.

jamesdunworth 10 Feb 2012 , 12:49pm

Hmm, how much of Chinese saver's income is taken from them in taxes, national insurance e.t.c. before they get their hands on it? I bet it's not a fraction of what we pay.

Chinanigel 10 Feb 2012 , 12:54pm

James,
Chinese taxes are similar to the USA, lower than ours in the UK but still not cheap.
The Chinese ARE amongst the worlds top savers!

GoldenSoldier 10 Feb 2012 , 12:55pm

I suspect that figure of 7% for the UK is very unreliable. For example, all civil servants indirectly save a much higher % than that because their salaries are determined after deducting an amount for pensions.

theHYPstuff 10 Feb 2012 , 12:59pm

I think the problem in this country is the majority know we should be saving nad start eary to gai nthe advanrtages of compound interest etc. to build a nice nest egg for the future...

But in relaity this is now not achievable by many.

Start a pension/isa saving in your twenties. You have enough for a house maybe in your 30's now. You settle down - Have a family, Then university education for oyur kids etc..

Its a vicious cicrle....Obviously your salary may grow over time but not even keeping up with inflation...



R0bmJ0nes 10 Feb 2012 , 1:17pm

I save 10% of my salary into ISAs and the same again into my personal pension. (I used to have a work pension but my new company doesn't offer one). My real asset is my flat though which is rented out and paying for itself. I can't imagine having no savings!

I was always told you should have at least 3 months wages put by in case you lose your job and, having been made redundant once in my life its a rule I now stick by!

jameshy 10 Feb 2012 , 1:21pm

dhorsley's point raises an important question. Are we talking about percentages of net pay saved before or after pension contributions? Surely we should be talking about the former?

I put 20% of my gross pay into my employer DC scheme, thus the equivalent of c. 25% of net pay with tax relief, but if this is excluded then my current additional savings percentage would be pretty woeful with an additional 5% going in (thus roughly 30% of net pay in total), though one's stage of life impacts what you can save.

It would be interesting to see savings figures based on people's age ranges. I'm mid-thirties with my wife off work looking after our two young children and we have a mortgage to pay - pay for all of that each month and disposable income (as opposed to net income) is pretty limited!

hobknobs 10 Feb 2012 , 1:24pm

Mr D'arcy invests100% of before tax salary on occasions? What does he live on, then?

Mike10613 10 Feb 2012 , 1:47pm

I save quite a lot, not as much as Cliff but I don't have a wife in the higher tax bracket to support me.

The Chinese students I help in China have a different attitude to money. One was offered a job as a waitress last year on 3 Yuan (30p) an hour; she now earns 50 Yuan (£5) for 2 hours a day teaching English to an High school student. The average savings in China aren't typical; many people are poor while some are very wealthy. The officials in the communist party pay nothing to send their offspring to Oxford and Cambridge while the students I help have to ask their parents to find £20,000 a year to send them to England to study later this year.

Comments from my friends when I tell them Chinese students will come here to study? More immigrants! They are international students and bring a lot of money to Britain and appear to be then subjected it ignorant racism.

Britain = too much Eastenders, too much Corrie; to much Essex and way too stupid...

hobknobs 10 Feb 2012 , 1:51pm

Ah!! Married; that explains it!

Dhahran2001 10 Feb 2012 , 2:00pm

A classic article contrasting limes, lemons and grapefruit.

ballboy1066 10 Feb 2012 , 2:37pm

I have saved all my life. And, saving is a way of life. My wife and I work at saving together. We have a diversified savings system. But, the over-riding principle is that, your money should always be earning the highest amount of interest for you that it can every second of every day.. even whilst you sleep. Treat your savings as an imortal very healthy person who is going to look after you throughout your life.. keep that person in tip-top condition and you will be looked after well.. Harm that healthy person and they won't be in a position to look after you even if they wanted to.. I'm sure a Chinese philosopher would put it better. The best I could get on the subject is `The classic Chinese text Dao De Jing states that the three greatest treasures one can have are love, frugality, and generosity. Frugality is really a integral part of the Chinese culture'.. this except borrowed from a piece published on http://www.wisebread.com/chinese-money-habits-how-my-culture-influences-my-attitudes-toward-money ..

Floorlord 10 Feb 2012 , 4:13pm

It should start with pocket money and be taught in schools. Twenties is too late. I'm no education expert but Kirosaki's "Rich Dad, Poor Dad" should be edited into teachable modules for ages somewhere around, say, ten to twelve years old. Follow that by how the City works - not just the stock market, the whole set of institutions and how they relate together. How to get the best out of it, how to work out your own risk profile, what the various alternatives are, how to start very small indeed.

Problem: Where do the teaching skills for such topics come from? If we, with very few exceptions, have all learned so late in life, I doubt it can be done.

krustallos has defined the targets. How do the little ones start to go there?

snoekie 10 Feb 2012 , 4:41pm

I am with jaizan.

I never regarded the state pension as an option and have been fairly frugal in my expenditure to establish provision for the advanced years.

Thanks to some inheritances, in addition to my efforts, I have been able to put together a decent pot providing a just about respectable income to provide for my twilight years, and still have something to spare.

Frugality was instilled into my brother and I from a young age, she would shop for produce from local and not so local markets which were cheap and can remember queueing for an hour or more at markets to get some bargains.

Unfortunately the savings raids by the previous govt and the continuation of their acquisitive activities by the present govt does not encourage saving. Rather the govt's present maintenance of the something for nothing culture means that they will have to continue stealing from those that are industrious and thrifty.

compound200 10 Feb 2012 , 8:48pm

unless gambling is banned in mainland --chinese lov the roulette/horses

Yorkstyke 10 Feb 2012 , 10:31pm

Brits might be more inclined to save if they weren't shafted as much by greed in the financial sector and interest rates paying FA.

matchmade 11 Feb 2012 , 10:54pm

What is the point in putting money into a private pension, when you can only get a return of 3.6% index-linked for an annuity?

A more sensible method is to pay down one's mortgage as well as invest in ISAs for a rainy day. Do John's statistics include house prices minus mortgage debt in the record of how much in assets people can draw on, and if not, why not? I believe China has far less property ownership and mortgage debt than people in the UK or Germany, so not surprisingly they put their money into cash deposits, shares and bonds.

It doesn't seem fair to compare the Chinese system with ours unless capital tied in property is included in the definition of "savings", or accrued income rights from company or state pension schemes, or implied potential income rights in the form of the benefits paid for by our National Insurance tax. Our benefits system could be viewed as a form of pooled savings scheme, on which citizens can draw if they fall into trouble and when they have children or retire. It seems pretty arbitrary to define "savings" as merely "readily realisable cash under the control of individual citizens".

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