10 More Years Of Working Off Debt

Published in Investing on 26 January 2012

Britain's debts are still sky-high. What does it mean for investors?

The news that Britain's public sector debt has exceeded £1 trillion for the first time has certainly attracted the headlines.

And, what's more, that's without counting the impact of the government's so-called financial sector interventions -- the bank bailouts in respect of Royal Bank of Scotland (LSE: RBS), Lloyds (LSE: LLOY), Northern Rock and so on, and the associated quantitative easing. Add those in, and it passed the trillion mark some time ago.

Should we worry? In one sense, no. The nation's debt has been mounting steadily, climbing quarter by quarter. A trillion pounds was inevitable: it was just a question of when.

But on the other hand, public sector debt as a percentage of GDP is disturbingly high. Below 30% back in 2002, it was at 36% as the financial crisis and recession hit in 2008, and has since ballooned to a whopping 64% of GDP today.

Total debt

A recent report from consulting firm McKinsey takes a look at the nation's debt from another perspective.

Simply put, it adds together public sector debt, corporate debt and household debt, and expresses this total as a percentage of GDP for 10 of the world's largest economies. And, in more detail, the report then goes on to analyse the prospects for three of them in particular: America, the UK and Spain.

Why? Simply put, each of these three countries experienced a significant credit bubble before the financial crisis of 2008, and each is pursuing very different strategies to eradicating the resulting debt.

Turning Japanese

Let's start with the headline figures. In the UK, total public- and private-sector debt has risen to 507% of GDP, compared with 487% at the end of 2008, and 310% in 2000, before the bubble.

Put another way, of the 10 countries studied, only Japan is more in hock than the UK, to the tune of 512% of GDP.

In the United States, for instance, total debt stands at 279% of GDP -- roughly at the same level as in Germany, Australia and Canada -- while in Spain, indebtedness stands at 363% of GDP, somewhat ahead of France and Italy.

High and rising

America, which went into the recession laden with debt, has been 'deleveraging' sharply. American consumers have sharply cut back their debt levels, as have American corporations. Not so with public sector debt, of course, as America's ongoing budget stand-off highlights.

Britain, on the other hand, has only just started deleveraging; public sector debt is climbing, household debt is roughly static and only the corporate sector owes less than it did.

In Spain, meanwhile, total debt rose from 337% of GDP in 2008 to 363% today, largely due to rapidly growing government debt. Household debt has barely budged, despite high unemployment, and the country also has unusually high levels of corporate debt.

Put another way, since the start of 2008, American indebtedness has fallen by 16 percentage points, while UK indebtedness has risen by 20 percentage points -- with Spanish indebtedness rising even more, by 26 percentage points.

Compare and contrast

Of the three economies, America has clearly gone the furthest in reducing its debt burden, thanks to private sector cutbacks. The country may be only two years or so away from completing its private sector deleveraging, thinks McKinsey.

On the other hand, the United Kingdom and Spain have made less progress, and could be a decade away from reducing their private sector debt to the pre‑bubble trend.

Overall, says McKinsey, the UK needs to steer a difficult course: reduce government deficits and encourage household debt reduction -- without limiting GDP growth.

Spain, though, has fewer policy options to revive growth than the UK and America. As a member of the eurozone, points out McKinsey, it cannot take on more public debt to stimulate growth, nor can it depreciate its currency to bolster its exports.

Bottom line

As investors, what are we to make of all this? For me, several conclusions stand out.

The first is that with the end of its private sector deleveraging in sight, America looks poised for recovery -- and from the signs, it's already under way. In short, I'm certainly tempted to increase my index tracker exposure to the S&P 500.

The second is that Europe remains off-limits. Of the 10 economies studied, although Spain is worst placed (Ireland and Greece didn't make the cut, of course), only Germany has reasonably low total debt -- and even then, this has stayed static over the period from 2008 to today.

The third is that public sector financing looks increasingly precarious, even in the UK, where the government's austerity measures have been reasonably well received by the markets. The gilt boom, in short, could quickly turn to bust.

And finally, UK interest rate rises look increasingly remote. For most investors, cash is now earning a negative real rate of return, and that looks set to continue. Factor in a moribund property market and a soft gilt market, and the stock market looks increasingly attractive.

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rober00 26 Jan 2012 , 5:10pm

Good piece Malcolm!!

Pity the Labour party is conveniently ignoring the facts.

curedum 26 Jan 2012 , 6:25pm

So shares are the least bad form of investment for the foreseeable future.

What about price inflation? If this rises, because of more QE (to "stimulate growth") hitting the value of the pound, is there a place for index-linked investments?

forrado 26 Jan 2012 , 7:28pm

Re Spain:

As highlighted by McKinsey Consulting, after 8 years in opposition, Spain’s recently elected conservative government find themselves with alarming few levers to pull. Having won a landslide general election victory in November over a very dispirited and tired looking PSOE socialist party, the only immediate obvious options seem to be a full-frontal attack on shrinking the country’s sprawling and overblown public sector and a tinkering with property taxes in an effort to squeeze a little bit more out of home owners.

However, at some point in the not so distant future, Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy knows all too well his PP party will have to take on the heavily unionised vested interests of the left if he is to stand any chance of further reforming Spain’s inflexible labour laws. Even though the Rajoy-lead government is making all the right noises there appears to be an immediate reluctance to want to go head-to-head with labour unions just yet. Seemingly, the new administration has enough on its plate for the time being trying to desperately get government spending under control while simultaneously keeping volatile bond markets placated.

Spain’s high levels of corporate debt are essentially concentrated in the banking sector and its huge exposure to the domestic property market that was responsible for fuelling the lending spree prior to the 2008 meltdown. Other than to their own government, Spanish banks have very little exposure to the sovereign debit of EU member countries. Property is really the millstone round the neck of the Spanish economy and will unfortunately continue to be so for some time to come – frankly, large chunks of it remain unsellable at anything but fire-sale prices.

As someone who spends a fair amount time in Spain, the feeling and feedback I get at street level is most definitely not one of optimism. It’s as if they really have had the stuffing knocked out of them over the past three years as unemployment has rocketed to nationally some 23 in every 100. Indeed, they are now rather envious of the UK and the retained control of its currency and interest rates – seeing the adoption of the Euro as a curse rather than a benefit. Even though the high inflation memory of the Peseta still lingers, the resulting collapse of Spanish economy has really brought home the downside of being a subordinate player in a monetary union together with far more financially stronger team-mates – the general feeling being very much along the lines of matters being played out beyond their control.

jeff700 26 Jan 2012 , 7:32pm

What about gold?...Nah! TFM doesn't do bull markets!

goodlifer 26 Jan 2012 , 9:54pm

curedum
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"What about price inflation? If this rises, because of more QE (to "stimulate growth") hitting the value of the pound, is there a place for index-linked investments?"

What index-linked investments do you suggest?
Even though they're not actually index-linked, surely shares in decent companies give you as much protection against inflation as is available anywhere?
Apart perhaps from property, a good steady job, or running a successful business.

curedum 27 Jan 2012 , 6:21am

goodlifer...

Well, there are index-linked gilts and some index-linked corporate bonds - though I'm not necessarily advocating them. My point is really about portfolio balance.

At present I have about 9% of my portfolio in NS&I index-linked savings; boring, perhaps, but safe.

eccyman 27 Jan 2012 , 2:31pm

I'm just a simple man - surely the total net debt of the whole world is zero, but according to the statistics everyone's in debt.

In a similar vein, virtually every country seems to be running a trade deficit....

BarneyCowshed 27 Jan 2012 , 3:01pm

eccyman - interesting comments -but take care - you're heading into an economic black hole you may never be heard from again.

BarneyCowshed 27 Jan 2012 , 3:11pm

farrado - thanks for your thoughts - I can now afford to buy a second home in Spain but know I will never be able to sell it.
Still, it could be worse - a friend of mine bought into the Bulgarian property dream a few years ago - we don't talk about it any more.

snikmij 27 Jan 2012 , 4:00pm

Very interesting article.

Wonder what corporate debt consists of? Could it be our banks?

In regards to countries using euros not being able to depreciate there currencies. I remember when the euro was at 1.43 per USD dollar fairly recently now its at 1.3 and a report I read some days ago commented that it could fall to 1.26. I think that should make a difference, mind you, that could be a big "if".

innocentatlarge 27 Jan 2012 , 4:34pm

McKinsey is a business which sells its reports and therefore has a great incentive to make them provocative. If you want to understand anyone's debt exposure you need to consider the net position not simply the gross position. These debts will be owned by others for whom they are assets and the proceeds of debt will be represented by assets. Furthermore the maturity of the debt is of central importance. My mortgage may be 5 times my salary, but if I have 20 years to pay it off that puts a different complexion on it.

Tezza11 27 Jan 2012 , 4:34pm

eccyman - keep asking questions; don't be afraid of the dark.

theredflag 27 Jan 2012 , 5:16pm

Eccyman- nearly all money is created as a debt/loan via the fractional reserve banking process. You are assuming that there is a stock of debt-free money which can be lent from those with lots to those with none, such that the total net debt is zero.

As others have hinted, this is not how it works........

MDW1954 27 Jan 2012 , 6:50pm

Wonder what corporate debt consists of? Could it be our banks?

No, it's the debts owed by companies to banks (and others).

McKinsey is a business which sells its reports

Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I'm aware, this report -- like every other McKinsey report -- is free. McKinsey is a consulting firm, not a publisher. I've certainly never paid for any, or seen a price tag etc. Maybe you're thinking of some other McKinsey?

Foolish regards,

Malcolm (author)

goodlifer 27 Jan 2012 , 7:54pm

curedum

What concerns me about anything claiming to be index-linked is that the the actual rate of inflation often seems to me to be underestimated,

I get the impression the government hires a team of bright economists who see it as their duty to publish the lowest rate they can get away with.

I'm no economics researcher, yet if I look back over my life I find quite a few prices seem to have got stuck in my head: the cost of Mars Bars, Penguin books and newspapers when I was a small boy; my rates of pay when I joined up and when I was demobbed; my grant at university; my first bike, my one and only new car; my salaries when I changed jobs; a pint at Nobby's in 1970; the first time I paid five bob for a cup of coffee, and a whole lot more.

These prices suggest that, over the last seventy years or so, in the wicked old world we actually live in, inflation has hardly ever dropped below about 5%.

But of course I could be quite wrong.

ANuvver 27 Jan 2012 , 7:59pm

eccyman:
It's possible to prop up a brick with a matchstick. As long as you don't strike it.

anshah 27 Jan 2012 , 10:46pm

So many things wrong with this article. First of all the high levels of debt are not an issue if the money is spent on improving your long term competitiveness- improved infrastructure, education, energy independence etc. Secondly, its the net not gross levels of debt that matter. Next, the author's temptation and implied investment advice (after all the title of the article is "What does this mean for the investor?") that private deleveraging in the US means improved S&P 500 performance is highly contentious. Is there conclusive proof of this? Have a look at Japan where private debt levels as a % of GDP have been steadily falling since 1989. And guess when the Japanese stock market peaked? 1990. Equity cheerleaders take no responsibility for poor research or the value of your savings. Be careful of their flawed interpretations.

snoekie 28 Jan 2012 , 1:35am

Somebody should provide a copy of this article to Silliband/Balls,Cooper, Byrne, not forgetting Brown/Darling and ask them for the assets (all) as a miniscule contribution to remedying the damage done and then go after Bliar and his randy Mandy.

They are still in total denial.

And then the unions need to be chased for repayment of money fraudulently paid to them, with a 20% pa interest rate for the benefit they had, membership making up the shortfall.

innocentatlarge 28 Jan 2012 , 1:06pm

MDW,
McKinsey reports are bait for clients. Businesses do not give anything away for free unless it is an ingredient in a larger potential sale. Consultancies are no different.

RobinnBanks 29 Jan 2012 , 12:39am

If ever country is in dept, who are they borrowing from?
Who has Britain borrowed £1trillion from? Nobody has any money, so where has it come from?

theredflag 29 Jan 2012 , 9:28am

RobinnBanks-

Most money is created as a loan. When you, I, a company or whatever take out a loan most of the time we redeposit immediately in a bank account. This bank can then use this money to lend, keeping only a small quantity in reserve, and then the cycle repeats. The original sum is multiplied many times (the 'money multiplier effect'). This is how most (>90%) of the money in an economy like the UK's is created. Interest must be paid on all of the loaned money. But the money to pay the interest does not exist at the time the loan is taken out, and the only way to expand the money supply to make more is for another loan to be taken out.

It is this system which leads to an exponentially increasing pile of debt.

In answer to your question 'who are we in debt to', we (and the world) are in debt to the financial institutions who under our current system create our money supply via loans.

Google 'fractional reserve banking' and 'money supply'.

fawltylines 29 Jan 2012 , 11:34am

Excellent comments here. The phrase "smoke and mirrors" springs to mind. What galls me is the deadpan faces of the politicians when they blame each other for this and that problem with the economy. I also think that when the Scottish debate hots up we will have some equally revealing revelations.

LosDLot 29 Jan 2012 , 11:57am

Hi All. Nothing pertinent to add. Just to introduce my ignorance as I am new to this "lark". Having historically invested in managed funds, which have certainly not outperformed, I am going to give it a go independently ! Oh-oh I hear you say. However all your contributions will be poured over, so a big thank you for all your input.

Navislim 30 Jan 2012 , 1:04pm

The idea that all this debt is 'smoke and mirrors' is not entirely true.

Not EVERY country in the world runs a budget deficit or has large debts. The Nordic countries and Switzerland in Europe and MANY far east nations, including China, have plenty of spare cash on a national level.

Most of the money 'lent' is, indirectly, from individuals as savings. 90% of Japans national debt, for instance, is owned by Japanese citizens.

I can accept that the UK has had poor economic governance at a national level for some time but the overall debt, as detailed by McKinsey, is misleading.
We have a huge exposure to financial institutions here thanks to the City and vast amounts of the money 'lent' is, in fact, investment by people with spare wealth from all over the world in instruments that, although they appear to be UK based for technical reasons, are in fact very Global.

My point is that the private sector debt is REAL money and underpinned by REAL assets globally. Much is relatively 'safe' and is not actually owed by UK citizens. Indeed much is foreign money invested in foreign ventures!

RobinnBanks 30 Jan 2012 , 3:51pm

Thanks Redflag, that explains a lot - where would we be without Wikipedia?
I've just finished reading 'Free Capital' - thought it was one of Karl Marx's! It's about investors who have made a £million in ISAs, some are Motley Fools.

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