How The West Grew Fat On The Goldilocks Diet

Published in Investing on 12 April 2010

We look at a frightening report on western public debt.

At least Goldilocks knew she was doing wrong. Her peaceful slumber was interrupted when the rightful owners of the porridge, chairs and beds arrived. She ran away to avoid the bears' retribution.

Our smug enjoyment of the not too hot and not too cold global economy of the 90s and 00s has been dashed by the collapsed property bubble. House prices rose to a crazy level on a perfect calm of stability and low interest rates. Public debt is approaching wartime levels in the UK and US.

The future of public debt

In a remarkable and deeply pessimistic report, The future of public debt, the Bank for International Settlements looks at the future of Western government deficits and predicts that an unchanged course will take us over the edge of the known economic world.

Ageing populations, structural deficits and the tipping point of 100% debt-to-GDP will prevent countries from reducing their deficits as planned. "Unless the stance of fiscal policy changes, or age-related spending is cut, by 2020 the primary deficit/GDP ratio will rise to 13% in Ireland; 8–10% in Japan, Spain, the United Kingdom and the United States; and 3–7% in Austria, Germany, Greece, the Netherlands and Portugal."

Looking at total debts they say "In the baseline [current course] scenario, debt/GDP ratios rise rapidly in the next decade, exceeding 300% of GDP in Japan; 200% in the United Kingdom; and 150% in Belgium, France, Ireland, Greece, Italy and the United States."

Even in the best and unbelievably painful case, where age related spending is frozen as a proportion of national output, they see Britain's debt at 150% in 2020 and over 300% by 2040. Only Japan, starting from almost 200%, fares worse. 

In the baseline case Britain will be spending over a quarter of national output on interest payments by 2040. We would be bankrupt.

Not my fault gov?

Surely all this has been brought on by the severe credit crisis, forcing governments to pump trillions into their economies to rescue the banks and safeguard demand from an even worse collapse? 

The credit crisis was certainly the catalyst but the chart in the report (see below) shows that average Government debt in the industrial economies has doubled since the dreadful 1970s, a period of profligate government (in the UK at least), stagflation and the Oil Shock. 

The average national debt was 40% in 1974 and touched 80% in 2005, well before the recent crisis began.

Government gross debt and primary fiscal balance in industrial economies







Government gross debt and primary fiscal balance in industrial economies. Reproduced with permission.

Governments have acted just as irresponsibly as homebuyers. They saw 5% long-term interest rates and said "We can afford to borrow more." They ate the just-right porridge for twenty years and didn't notice how fat they had become. Well, now the bears are back.

Real interest rates will revert to the norm and beyond as more countries join Greece in the naughty corner. A vicious cycle starts, where the annual interest cost of 100%+ debts rises rapidly.

What can be done?

Two paths lie ahead. Each government can choose painful measures in an attempt to stay with the current model of low inflation and low interest rates or journey into spiralling debt leading to inflation, devaluation and crisis.

The Bank for International Settlements sees raising the retirement age as the down payment on tackling the debt bomb. Taking a knife to unfunded pension liabilities (largely in the public sector) will "allow authorities to wait until the recovery from the crisis is assured before reducing discretionary spending and improving the short-term fiscal position."

I hope the report is unduly pessimistic but there is an emerging consensus that we in the UK will struggle more than most and our best chance is a government of whatever colour that will, with the election behind it, tell us the truth and set out the treatment.

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supasap 12 Apr 2010 , 7:28pm

not sure what can be done........ if we had a socialist attitide we could all share the pain ie we all pay toward our debt according to means eg if you have a gold plated pension funded from the public purse then it is only right that you should pay a much bigger slice of your income than someone whose pension has had to be paid for...... what was interesting about the article is that even under Thatcher public spending rose but try telling that to the average Tory....... so maybe perception is more important than fact..... if we all go round pretending that the deficit is not large then people may start believing it....... but where oh where do we start making savings without pain? ok there are easy targets eg quangos but it will save millions, we need to save billions but no-one wants to see the NHS cut (or not anyone I know anyway)....... not easy...... then public sector pensions....... if we stop the index linking now then is it fair to claw some back from those who have creamed them for years?

jaizan 12 Apr 2010 , 9:38pm

Of course public spending grew under Mrs T. Unfortunately it suited the socialist BBC agenda to criticise the Conservatives for fictional public spending "cuts".

Now what we need is real cuts. Hard and fast.

supasap 13 Apr 2010 , 1:39pm

ok jonesj909, where would these cuts happen which will make a difference, I only hear about mickey mouse savings from the parties, where are the "real" cuts coming from in your opinion?

Foxhat1950 13 Apr 2010 , 2:51pm

Well you wanted some ideas so how about
1. Get rid of our nuclear weapons programme, keep a small army and air force, reduce the size of the fleet. We are not a major power, haven't been since 1945, why pretend that we are.
2. Move all the trappings of government from London to (say) the Midlands or somewhere equally less expensive. If that's a non starter then
3. Appropriate a block of land near to Parliament and build a secure Hall of Residence for MPs, with apartments, restaurants, meeting rooms. Then every MP has somewhere to stay at no cost (and no expenses!!).
4. We own a few banks now and we should be instructing those to bring out a credit card set at 8% above base rate. When that hits the market the other banks would have to reduce their excessive rates or risk loosing customers.
anything else guys??
come on don't be shy.

RobbesPierre 13 Apr 2010 , 4:26pm

Massive reduction in Social Security payments would be a good place to start.

RobbesPierre 13 Apr 2010 , 4:36pm

And we spend billions on sickness and disability. This is abused by many. My sister-in-laws brother runs about in his Mothers car paid for through disability. His cousin is effectively house bound with Gout (disabled my ass) He smokes, drinks port and smoke grass all day. Has done for years. I am not saying there are no genuine cases. But there is plenty of evidence to demonstrate abuse.
The same goes for the health service. I would cut that back considerably. Let people start to work and buy health insurance. The truth is any 'free' system is abused.

RobbesPierre 13 Apr 2010 , 4:50pm

And stop the in / out cycle of Labour and Tory. If everyone voted for anything else but these two, you would soon see a shift in politics. The public need to show these parties that they are tired of their lies and false promises. The political system in the UK needs a massive shakeup. But we the general public will dither about and one of these parties will get in power again.
Whats it going to be?
"Your invitation to join Government" (Tory Campaign where you can sack an MP! Hooray!!)
OR
"A fair future for all" (Labour Campaign where we can all adopt WWII patriotism and band together to rebuild our economy.)
Yeah right. Give me a break. Are any intelligent people fooled by these?
Is max Clifford advising both parties as well as his A'List Celebs?
The whole of the UK should vote with their feet until a sensible alternative emerges from the ashes!! This country is FUBAR and neither of these Muppet parties are going to solve it.



RobbesPierre 13 Apr 2010 , 5:00pm

Anyone want to start a new party?

supasap 13 Apr 2010 , 7:24pm

but would you really start cutting back on NHS and education which are the big drains on public purse? anyone got a pie chart on the government expenditure to see where the billions are coming from? a candidate I expect is public sector pensions liability (just as pensions are with British Airways) - what about closing them to new members and scaling back benefits gradually for existing members ie those who have not retired yet..... I take your point about defence but I don't know what portion of overall expenditure is represented by defence...... also if there were easy targets then Tory governnments of the past would have done it surely..... I just think the government of the day is just too scared of the sacred cows of public sector pensions, education, NHS and welfare

Floorlord 13 Apr 2010 , 9:18pm

Where to start a response? Thatcher "curbed" the Civil Service? - they ran rings around her, which is why QANGOs now rule Brittania. Griss to the mill for Brown, centralise it all, nobody else is capable of running anything, he must do it all from the centre.

Answers? Curb the upper echelons of the CS, sack all career politicos (simply vote for a candidate who's worked for a living, even tried to bring up a family on the dole, any real life experience will be an improvement). Cut health, education? Cut the army of "managers" and "management consultants" more like. Let nurses nurse, policemen police, firemen firefight, all local functions what the hell is Whitehall doing in there? Even better, return local democracy to local people. No, Mr Toffy Tory and Mr Dzugashvili Brown plus apparatchics, we don't want to run your bloody schools, we want local democracy back.

Then, Mr all-knowing all-powerful party hack, concentrate your efforts on huge financial institutions and how to control them, curbing the excesses of the civil service, prevent gold plating and stop blaming "Europe" for everything.

Take a lesson from the fast movers in industrial management - a touch of lean thinking would soon drop a few shedloads of muda (waste) and all the pain would be felt by those shedding useless fat rather than, as is the politicos and CS's usual wont, those at the coal face.

Oh, and while you're at it, how about restoring some of our civil liberties? All opposition parties complained as Brown removed them wholesale, but I note no reparation promises in the manifestos. He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither. (attributed to Franklin but nobody is really sure)

gordonbanks42 14 Apr 2010 , 10:19am

Floorlord has the correct answer. No further comments required!

(Except, perhaps, regarding how to get from A to B, given the hopeless mush of our existing political system and the way it is represented in the papers and on telly).

ianrossiter 14 Apr 2010 , 11:22am

The cause of the 'banking crisis', as far as I can work out, is the actual system - 'Fractional Reserve Banking'. Explain how this system works - money does not exist and is only 'created' out of thin air by 'Bankers' to fund credit, but not the interest; and you will see that all it perpetuates is more and more 'debt', which requires more and more 'credit' to be paid back. We are getting to the tipping point - when the whole lot will turn into a financial black hole - and who will then be in control? Why, our old friends The Bankers.

supasap 14 Apr 2010 , 1:24pm

ok let's accept your analysis for a moment, that the upper echelons of the public sector is top heavy and wasteful, if we sacked them all tomorrow (but without generous payments just statutory minimum as per private sector victims).... how much would we save in one year, is it really billions? you may be right but I have not seen any figures, let's say we reduce all public sector hierarchies to say four levels in schools, hospitals and police etc (because there is always a need for some hierarchy)..... how many would fall off the payroll? be interested in any facts..... I suspect they don't exist which is why the Tory or Libs have not costed such possibilities and maybe the awful truth is we need to cut front line services...... how many of you would support that?

sonrisa1 14 Apr 2010 , 8:53pm

Save billions by cutting the immoral trident which is contrary to international law, this could save £75,000,000,000. well worth it for a start, in fact knowing the way inflation with weapons goes more like £100 billion or more, most tanks are useless apart from terrorising civilians as in Palestine,enormously expensive fighter planes such as typhoon are pointless apart from showing off & wasting fuel; relistically nobody is going to attack the UK that you need these sort of weapons for & if we had not wasted so much on offensive weapons(they are not defensive, just get real) we would not have gone on these illegal forays such as Iraq. the NHS has far too many overpaid managers, as in many other areas & virtually nobody realistically earns more than 5 figure salaries( they may be paid it but do they earn it I think not in most cases(true Entrepreneurs excepted) if you can not live on less than £100,000 then where are you wasting it & should be ashamed of your profligacy & so must the government it is our tax money not theirs to waste; so many other examples if I had time. the country could have almost full employment if so many were not so overpaid so that more could have a reasonable wage & do all the "green Jobs" that need doing to save energy waste & make homes more comfortable.

supasap 16 Apr 2010 , 9:31am

sonrisa, some attempt but you say you could continue if you had more time..... how much time do you need if it is easy to significantly cut costs without impacting front line, suspect it is not that easy

Paullypips 16 Apr 2010 , 3:36pm

I'd like to see the BBC sold off (privatised). That should raise a few bob, get rid of its political bias and save us all the archaic fee to own a TV set. We might even get better programmes. The money could be thrown into the black hole of national debt to show we really mean to change.

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