Commission-Based Sales To Be Banned

Published in Investing on 29 March 2010

From the end of 2012, commission-based investment sales will be outlawed.

One single factor has underpinned almost every mis-selling scandal over the last 25 years. It is the financial services industry's very own c-word, commission.

But under new rules issued last week, commission will be banned for good by the Financial Services Authority from the end of 2012. Commission will be no more. It will cease to be. Happy now?

Cold turkey from 2012

I certainly am. It was commission that motivated financial advisers to persuade millions of workers to swap perfectly reasonable company schemes for inferior personal pension alternatives in the 1980s and 1990s, and that was only the start. Commission has been a contributing factor to millions of corrupt investment product sales, from unnecessary pension transfers to shockingly pricey with-profits bonds and endowment plans.

Despite the furore sparked by these many mis-selling scandals, advisers haven't been able to stop themselves. While a far-sighted minority have embarked on a tricky but ultimately more rewarding journey towards a fee-based service, too many remain dangerously addicted to their commission fix.

As recently as 2008, an FSA survey found that commission paid to advisers to encourage their clients to switch pensions costs consumers a mighty £43 million a year. In 2007, average initial commission chewed up a whopping 5.6% of the sum invested.

Owt for nowt

Commission has also distorted people's attitude to independent financial advice. If you don't physically scribble out a cheque to cover your adviser's time and expertise, it is easy to convince yourself the advice you receive is free, or paid for by the product provider (rather than by you). 

You would never expect a plumber to visit you home for nowt, but some people expect a financial adviser to do so. And because their time is "free", they value their advice less, and are shocked by the idea that they might have to cough up £75 to £150 an hour for the service of a trained professional.

It has been in the interest of both adviser and client to pretend that this is a cost-free transaction, which means the entire relationship is built on deception and self-deception. No wonder there have been so many scandals.

Brave new world

So what will happen from 2012? The new system is part of a package of FSA measures catchily titled the Retail Distribution Review (RDR in the biz) that is designed to restore consumer confidence in the investment market. Advisers who sell investment products, pensions and life insurance must charge directly for their services, and tell you whether they are offering "independent" or "restricted" advice.

Firms that offer independent advice must show that their recommendations are based on a comprehensive and unbiased analysis of the market, and any products chosen are in their clients' best interests.

If they limit their choice of products to certain investments or strategies, they must clearly explain right at the outset that they are offering restricted advice.

The aim is to bring transparency where before there was only murk, gloom, shadows and self-deception, but it is also an admission that previous FSA attempts to tackle this issue backfired (and in a very predictable way).

Don't tie me down

Just a few years ago, the FSA controversially chose to split financial advisers into three camps rather than two: tied agents, who can only advise on one company's products, multi-tied agents, who could sell products from a limited panel of companies, and full-blown independent financial advisers. 

As many people warned at the time (me included!) the system seemed designed to baffle customers, allow dodgy advisers to strike lucrative commission deals with their panel of multi-ties, and help unscrupulous banks blur the line between tied and independent advice.

And that was exactly what happened. It also left those honest advisers offering whole-of-market advice at an unfair disadvantage to those with fewer scruples.

Cop-out

The FSA was accused of caving in to pressure from the big bancassurers then, so has it got it right this time? 

Worryingly, it hasn't entirely learnt from its mistakes. Under pressure from the restricted advice sector, last week's policy document scrapped a sensible proposal that advisers must use a fixed set of FSA-scripted words to disclose to clients that they aren't independent. This leaves plenty of scope for advisers to be creative about how they misdescribe the services they're selling you -- and when money is at stake, we know how creative advisers can be. 

The FSA says the new system will be policed by mystery shoppers. I hope they're heavily armed.

Boost your investment pot by 5.6%

The FSA has also muddied the waters on how customers pay for advice, but with more justification. If you can't afford to pay for advice upfront you can bundle the fee into the cost of the product you are buying. Just make sure your adviser doesn't try to persuade you, and you don't try to persuade yourself, that the advice is therefore free.

If you want individual specialist advice, you have to pay for it. Don't kid yourself that you can get it for free, because you can't, and don't let your adviser kid you either.

That doesn't mean you have to take advice. You can always go it alone, and plough the fees you save back into your investments. That means an extra 5.6% goes into your investments rather than the adviser's pocket, giving you an instant edge, and that's before compound interest starts working its magic.

That might be the best advice of all. And it didn't cost you a penny.

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LastChip 29 Mar 2010 , 4:58pm

I can now see many Financial Advisers going to the wall and frankly, it's no more than many of them deserve.

A number are "make believe" IFA's who's knowledge can be marginal at best and are often no better than informed members of this site. Furthermore, many will try and provide information in an area where they have little or no knowledge, just to get a sale. And that's precisely what many of them are; insurance salesmen/saleswomen.

I don't think I'll ever forget how easy it is to get an entry level certificate. I would suggest, any Motley Fool regular reader would have a more than fair chance of passing the (so called) exam.

Give me one good reason I would be prepared to pay £150 an hour (or more) for what amounts to basic advice?

No chance!

Your definition of "professional", must clearly be very different to mine. Of course, at its crudest, it's simply someone who earns a wage by providing a service. The service however can be at any level you like.

They simply play on people's ignorance and use financial jargon to confuse and ultimately close a sale.

On another tack, if financial studies were a mandatory part of the school curriculum (which I believe should be the case), IFA's would cease to have any function at all.

BarrenFluffit 29 Mar 2010 , 7:00pm

Its one thing to decree it won't be paid but another to stop the flow of money where both ends have an interest in continuing.

lotontech 30 Mar 2010 , 12:04pm

LastChip is dead right!

sixtyone 30 Mar 2010 , 12:42pm

Does this mean my pension fund to annuity process will also be chargeable by me paying another cheque? This has taken from the 29th Jan until 20th April for me to get it set up and my 25% received. My SIPP was of course closed and the money(some 11K£) vanished 3 working days after my annuity application form was sent off..... No interest was offered in the meantime. Frankly 'financial advisors' are worth FA and have weedled their way into a process they aren't even needed in....

sixtyone 30 Mar 2010 , 12:45pm

and no - I would not pay a cent for their mostly useless advice either. The only way I might contribute to their (expat in some cases) lifestyes is 5 years down the line IF the funds made >10% a year profit; over inflation...

oldwulf 30 Mar 2010 , 12:46pm

So the FSA will ban commission from the end of 2012. The article outlines the FSA package of measures [the 'Brave new World']. I assume that the FSA is convinced that there are very good reasons which support its course of action. Presumably, those reasons have existed in the past and still exist now. So why hasn't the FSA banned commissions as from now ?

AlysonThomson 30 Mar 2010 , 12:48pm

Well, I was at an IFA's for 2 and a half hours last week for which I will have to pay £150 an hour and most of the time was taken up by him asking for details of all my complicated financial business. It was I who had the knowledge of that, not him!

AlysonThomson 30 Mar 2010 , 12:52pm

A free IFA whom I consulted about mortgages tried to get me to change a BTL mortgage to a B of S one which was below base rate at the time but then went to a horrible 7.something per cent! I stayed on my PVR of 6.75% when I came off my discounted deal for the first 5 years and am now paying 2.25% because the PVR follows the base rate, their SVR doesn't have to!
I listen to advice, but follow my own very good gut instinct.

AlysonThomson 30 Mar 2010 , 12:55pm

sixtyone - it was about annuities that I was seeing the IFA. Aviva, for example, will only look at applications for Enhanced Annuities that come from an IFA.

Iniq 30 Mar 2010 , 1:12pm

I applaud the intention, though like Harvey I have grave reservations.

And I share his criiticism (and always have) of the previous, confusing "three category" system.

I would make it illegal to call yourself a "financial advisor" of any type, independent, tied or otherwise, unless you are fully independent, a member of some professional instution, had appropriate qualifications and carried professional indemnity insurace. After all, you are not allowed to call yourself a solicitor, an architect or even a nurse - "independent" or otherwise - unless you are qualified and insured.

Bank or insurance staff would be obliged to describe themselves as "salesmen" and NEVER "advisers".

You want legal advice? You go to a solicitor, and pay his fees. You don't need to check that he is an "independent" solicitor!

I must say, being a conceited but cynical, sceptical, tight-fisted, cautious, inquisitive, reasonably intelligent and reasonably well-read individual, I have never learned anything from a financial adviser that I did not already know.

However, what the general, naiive consumer ought to have access to is clear, simple, accurate, honest and impartial GENERAL financial advice, and access to similarly clear, simple, accurate, honest and impartial comparison sites.

So-called "comparison sites" which are not completely idependent and totally commission-free should be required to make clear their lack of genuine independence.

Stoobloo 30 Mar 2010 , 1:13pm

An interesting article that on so many levels is inaccurate.

The changes in pensions in the 80's and 90's was largely driven by a government campaign to get people to "Release their pension". It was also at a time of high interest rates and inflation which would have altered the advice.

There are very few professions that would offer liability for advice over 20/30yrs ago. Using the plumber as an example no other profession guarantees their work for this long.

There is likely to be a lost less advisers in 2012, but having to charge fees is unlikely to be the reason, as the level of minimum qualification required will also be higher in 2012.

However, you would probably have to go back to the 90's when only one exam was required!

The only major thing that I can see happening is it driving more people to go direct to the banks rather than seeking independent advice, and with the lack of competition this will in turn result in the consumers being worse off with higher charged contracts due to this,,

mattjc 30 Mar 2010 , 1:18pm

LastChip is part right. As an independent financial advisor I too would love to see mandatory financial studies on the school curriculum. You guys are obviously intelligent, well informed and well motivated, presumably self taught? Unfortunately others lack the motivation, and where there is a choice between paying for financial advice or not, then frequently the outcome is the latter. This has in turn led to the savings gap concerning the government, which the re-invention of stakeholder pensions in the guise of Personal Accounts or "NEST" will in their minds sort out. I wonder how many plumbers get called out by the less informed to carry out a routine inspection of the whole house and make recommendations to carry out preventative maintenance, or do they wait until they have to pay a bill to get someone through the door to fix a problem? I guess the thing to consider is consumer protection and guarantees, as an individual, "doing your own thing" who do you go to when your decision was wrong?

dmm123 30 Mar 2010 , 1:19pm

On this website are money savvy people, if we get rid of the IFAs and tied advisors the only option for the vast majority is to go to the banks - the banks are pirates and they are guaranteed to stitch up and rip off the average consumer, my wife went into Lloyds about fraudulent web transactions on her debit card and 5 days later the credit card she didn't ask for arrived in the post. There has to be an independent element we can talk to and that has to be paid for, name a solicitor that will do a home visit or consult for free, we accept that solicitors charge for everything, why not financial advisors ? ... if the RDR means better transparency so be it, if you choose to ignore the advice that is your choice, but at least you have the information to make an informed choice.

Finalstraw 30 Mar 2010 , 1:22pm

I couldn't agree more with some of these remarks. I used to work for an firm of IFAs and what I saw, vis-a-vis persuading clients to transfer their pensions, would make your hair stand on end. How about persuading clients to transfer to a guaranteed product with much higher annual charges and (no surprise here) another much higher commission for the IFA for carrying out the transfer, and that's only for starters. Not really listening to clients and putting their pension fund into high risk investments was another example. They absolve themselves of all responsibility when things go wrong and will happily quote 25 year old correspondence to a client to say that transferring from an employer's scheme is in your best interests, never mentioning that after such a period of time, your pension may well be less than the employer's scheme would have paid at retirement age despite you having paid in many thousands of pounds in the meantime. I have inside knowledge now and wouldn't go near them for my investments or pension. They take the commission which incidentally for many insurance policies comes in every month, and then forget about you and certainly don't keep an eye on your investments on a regular basis.

Emloof 30 Mar 2010 , 1:32pm

LastChip, I share your scepticism re quality of advice (or lack thereof) and level of expertise of some FAs. Reasonably high minimum qualifications should be required, as well as disclosure of the level of qualification an advisor has achieved.

I also share the view (most likely with everyone reading this) that financial literacy ought to be tought in schools to a reasonable standard, enabling people to make better informed choices.

However, I also strongly believe that even with all the above in place, financial advice will be valuable for many. Not everything is as straightforward as you and Harvey seem to suggest. Legislation and available products need to be understood, and risk management applied. Various restrictions, goals and time horizons need to be considered (kids? own business? insurance? risk-averse? assets/liabilities? tax? personality? etc...)

For the above reasons I welcome the new legislation as a good first step. It should help end the role of IFAs as sales people of financial products. And hopefully do a better job at giving independent, valuable advice.

JDEvolutionist 30 Mar 2010 , 1:42pm

Right. Now the next thing should be to ban charging based on a percentage of the value of the product being sold - house sales, company sales etc. etc. The value of work done in general has very little to do with the value of the product being sold.

Solicitors did no more work selling a house in, say 2005, that selling the same house 2 years later at twice the price but and should have got no more money for doing so but on a percentage basis they did.

The same goes for banking services in association with company takeovers etc.

The misuse of percentages in association with charging for services has and remains a highly dishonest way of extracting excess money from the customer for the sole purpose of lining the pockets of executives.

mattjc 30 Mar 2010 , 1:55pm

Oh, and by the way, since the "three (or maybe four) category" system came in at de-polarisation , if you are visiting an IFA (not to be confused with non-independent, whole of market, not multi-tie individual) you have had the choice of paying by fee or commission/product charges, when it comes to designated investment advice, you all realised this of course, didn't you? The problem lies with an incompetent misguided regulator, creating confusion, principles based regulation, which they then confess they got wrong, neither advisors nor consumers stand much of a chance!

mattjc 30 Mar 2010 , 2:06pm

...and finally, this is the ideal opportunity for advisors to re-examine what they do for their customers, ascertain what customers value and want from them, and agree realistic fees performance based or otherwise for initial and ongoing services, and ensure they deliver what they promise. I think what a large number of consumers (a large number of whom benefit from fat salaries paid for out of our taxes which we are powerless to negotiate), is that all the regulators efforts continually drive up the cost to the consumer. Alyson Thomson, that "know your customer" fact finding meeting at £150 ph is required by the regulator, and since when was anything that was "free" was worth having?

sixtyone 30 Mar 2010 , 2:21pm

Alyson Thompson & mattic- this was my point - you have to go through an FA to even be offered an Annuity by most(probably all) insurance companies, certainly Canada Life and the Pru too. I don't want it, I don't need it, even more useless than a HIPP.

mattjc 30 Mar 2010 , 2:28pm

I'm confused sixtyone, you don't want an annuity?

Stoobloo 30 Mar 2010 , 3:00pm

Perhaps sixty one wants to consider an unsecured pension or is looking to phase retirement, as they are clearly savvy enough to consider all options available to them without the need for advice!!!!

LastChip 30 Mar 2010 , 3:15pm

Confused? Why mattjc?

It seems to me sixtyone is quite capable of making up his/her own mind, but is restricted in choice because of the cartel that has developed within the industry. Perhaps the people that look at fair trading and monopolies should take a look at this.

This no doubt stems from the regular miss-selling fiascos and now insurers are frightened to deal with individuals (how ever well informed), for fear of facing a miss-selling claim.

In other words, you as the IFA, will take all the risk, because the insurers, (if/when it goes pear shaped) will turn around and say " nothing to do with us chum"!

But the other side of the coin is, sixtyone is being forced into a fee/commission based situation, whether he/she likes it or not.

This could all be resolved at a stroke, where people that are happy to make their own decisions make a declaration to say something like: "I do not want advice or need advice and am happy to live by my own decisions. I will not make any claim against this company during my lifetime relating to this transaction."

Now, I accept legally that may be full of holes (as I'm not legally qualified), but use it to get across the gist of my proposition.

People should not be forced into using IFA's simply because the FSA has made such a hash of controlling this industry and made it a legal nightmare. It is the fault of poorly thought through legislation, coupled with commission based salesmen/saleswomen, hungry for commission, with little or no interest in the clients welfare. The industry has made its bed, now it must lay in it. How you get any sleep is open to speculation.

Restricting peoples access to products, is not the answer.

mattjc 30 Mar 2010 , 4:13pm

It wasn't clear to me whether sixtyone wanted an alternative to an annuity or whether he/she just wanted a "diy" job and avoid the intermediary involvement. I'm guessing the delay to which he/she may be partly to do with the large volumes of business insurers are receiving due to the increase in age from 50-55 being the earliest benefits can be taken following the "A"-day from pension arrangements. You're right though, an IFA is responsible for the advice, the insurer or product provider, where they have been merely that, will refer the customer back to the IFA to investigate and respond to the complaint. It is the advice failing to which you refer, not the product itself? Your "at a stroke" resolution is known as "execution only" business where advice is neither sought nor offered, nothing new here.

LastChip 30 Mar 2010 , 4:40pm

No, nothing new mattjc, but never-the-less, artificial restrictions to products are "alive and well" within the industry and even if you are prepared to accept "no advice given", many insurers (as sixtyone pointed out) will not deal directly with you.

Therefore, execution only, is only available on a very limited range of products. Arguably, these could be the worse in the marketplace, as any respectable IFA wouldn't touch them with a very long barge-pole.

It is therefore (IMHO), a distortion that isn't doing any favours to the consumer and can be traced back to the "nanny state" that many have now accepted as the norm over the past 15 years or so.

Once-upon-a-time, you made a decision and lived by it. Right or wrong, it was down to you. What a shame we ever lost that concept.

mattjc 30 Mar 2010 , 4:46pm

Hear, hear!

RedundantHippie 30 Mar 2010 , 5:47pm

Its about time too. I learnt to my cost, 25 years ago, that there is no such thing as an "Independent" FA, every one I have come across is in it for one thing only - how much they can screw out of the "punters" as they call them. Irrespective of what they charge I would not touch any of them with a very long barge pole. Just take a look at their backgrounds and you will find that they are largely a bunch of uneducated spivs with no qualifications I would consider evidence of compitence.

fenemore 30 Mar 2010 , 6:51pm

I agree with most of the postings - I certainly would NEVER use a "financial advisor" . Such beings exist because that is the only thing left - we don't make anything in this country any more so the "services" industry emerges, not like a pheonix from the ashes, more like faeces in a cesspit.

Do your own research, make your own decisions - that is the only way. As others have said before me, there is no such animal as an "independant financial advisor" - going to see one and you might aswell walk into a lion's den!

Iniq 30 Mar 2010 , 7:01pm

Posters on here, almost by definition, are fairly clued-up people who take a keen interest in financial matters. But it is unreasonable to expect the man-in-the-street to be an expert on finance, any more than most of us are experts on plumbing or dentistry.

The main problem with banning commission is that all INDEPENDENT advisors will have to charge a fee, and the naiive citizen (who is not used to this) will be therefore be tempted to go to a bank or insurance company to speak, for free, to someone who is called "financial adviser".

If you go into a Ford dealership, you may get a lot of advice about which type of Ford car is best suited to your needs. What you will NOT get, however, and what no-one expects, is impartial advice regarding all the cars on the market or even whether it would be sensible for you to buy a car at all.

One of the reasons for this is because the people in a Ford showroom do not call themselves "motoring advisers", they are called "salesmen". Why should the finance industry be allowed to be any different?

I would simply make it illegal for ANYONE to describe themselves any kind of "financial adviser" unless they were a genuine, qualified and completely INDEPENDENT financial adviser. Otherwise, they should be called what they are - salesmen.

coocoo88 30 Mar 2010 , 8:28pm

IFAs also have to make a living. Like every walk of life, there are good guys and there sre bad guys and there are clever ones and there are not so clever ones. It is the system that allows the IFAs to thrive irresponsibly like parasites off the ignorance of the public. Education is the only answer. If you are not prepared to spend time to look after your money, then you dont deserve to keep it.

What galls me most is the way the entire financial industry has gotton itself into a blatant cartel like situation. Can you buy anything without first having to depart with say 5% of your money - irrespective of what you are going to get. What it amounts to is this 'I am going to take my cut now. What you, the customer, get later, is, well, not quite so important/irrelevant/not my biz/depands on your luck ?'. What other industry can possibly compare ?

I personally feel both commission and fee should be banned. I would be more than happy for the IFAs to take a slice of the money he makes for me. He makes nothing for me, he gets nothing. Why should I be the only one risking my hard earned money and he takes a slice up front irrespective of prerformance ? I feel a bonus is the only answer.

Bedlam did this in the City a few years ago and made one hell of a splash. I wish there are more like them.

Then there is the question of bench mark. The Singpaore government sets up a Provident fund where every working body has an account. This is your pension. What you put in is yours to keep. The government pays a modest level of interest. This Provident fund can be used to pay for your housing, medical costs, children's education or to look after your aged parents etc. You are not allowed to take money out before a certain age (even then some funds have to be left behind for medical needs) but you are allowed to invest your own money if you want (but you dont have to). All tax free. How simple can it get ? The people benefit knowing that their money is safe and earning a decent level of interest. They can take some risks if they want but nobody is under pressure to do so. Housing is more stable and more secure. The government has a huge pool of money to invest in the public interest (in the case of the present government, it is probably more like candy jar to a kid). Most of all, everybody's retirement is self funded. None of these benefits dependencies. And it takes the politics out of so many things.

I feel we need to think ouside the box.








pensview 30 Mar 2010 , 8:44pm

There seems to be one pattern forming here, everyone thinks anyone can be an IFA - strange because I have spent my entire working career in insurance and financial services and taken one exam after another after another - when I last looked to be an IFA you had to be qualified - and it sure takes more than one £150 quicky exam that any reasonably educated earning member of the public could pass. If you lot out there think you know best,then good luck, and watch your hours clock up as you research the entire market and compare all the providers charges, rates and don't forget to look as past performance and then of course a quick thumb in the air crystal ball moment. How many people have enough time to dedicate to this level knowledge? Surely a service worth paying for!

Stoobloo 30 Mar 2010 , 10:11pm

Many of the comments pensview are more generalisations, without the basis of any facts.

I could pick any profession and complain about the level of competence, whether this be Accountants, Solicitors, Doctors - like any industry there are people that are of different levels of skill and ability, and some that would put me off using the services of their profession altogether.

For example, did you know that to call yourself an Accountant you do not actually require a single qualification? Despite this, some will be very highly qualified, whilst some will simply be basic bookkeepers in all but name. Some people equally will choose not to use an Accountant as they feel they can handle this aspect of their finances themselves - I would however challenge whether this would be appropriate for everyone.

The changes in 2012 will hopefully push out the last few bad eggs in the industry, and some of the people on here who would never use an IFA will be even less likely to be able to do so, which clearly can not be a bad thing for either party.

Stoobloo 30 Mar 2010 , 10:15pm

Sorry, forgot to mention an Independent Financial Adviser, unlike an Accountant, to follow up my previous point, is a recognised title - which cannot be used without the appropriate qualifications, actual registration with the FSA, capital adequacy checks, etc!

mjt5162 30 Mar 2010 , 11:33pm

Just been reading the remarks about IFA's and other advisers and would make the following comments. I have worked in the Financial Service industry as an adviser for 23 years now. The past 17 years as an IFA and the past 12 as a pensions specialist. I have done all the exams and hope to become Chartered by the early part of next year.
Some of the comments made are quite legitimate as th industry has never been the cleverest at providing clarity about costs and charges.
However anyone who wants to get advice should always ask if the adviser is 'whole of market' and get written confirmation from the adviser that this is the case. Always ask for a written indication of the fee that is payable for the advice being given, always check the qualifications of the adviser - they should be Advanced Financial Planning certificate or above in their chosen subject(s)i.e. DipPFS as a minimum. Check the FSA website for qualifications for each adviser. Never buy a product either over the counter or 'on the night'.
If you want to receive advice then you must expect to pay a fee if you want to buy a product then expect to see commission be paid to the salesperson / provider.
To those clients who reckon that they can do it themselves - good luck, just get on with and stop harping on. Please please continue to do this as a good proportion of my work is sorting out the mess that you create for yourselves.
For those that want to receive 'professional advice' i.e. from a qualified person then be prepared to pay for it. You pay for a plumber, car mechanic, solicitor, accountant and dentist. I cannot tell you have many people have disappeared into the mist once I mention that the advice I give will need to be paid for at the point of provision. People still want professional help for free and will not part with their cash even if it means ending up down at the bank getting tucked up with a load of tosh!
So now the regulator is going to get rid of commission so for better or for worse we finally get our fee paid advice process in place - at long last the world has caught up with mjt5162 and don't you dare complain again about fees being charged and how noce it would be to have commission reinstated.

lewiethelad 30 Mar 2010 , 11:59pm

Apologies if the point has already been made but a professional who holds himself out as such will have professional liability insurance in place.
Make your own decisions if you are clever/brave enough but remember if a profesional screws up you can sue him for his poor advice.
If you screw up you must live with your own poor decision.

sippquixote 31 Mar 2010 , 11:07am

Some years ago a friend of mine paid a fee to an INDEPENDENT Financial Adviser for some investment advice. Later he discovered by accident that the IFA had also been paid a generous commission by the provider.
He complained to the FSA. They replied at great length, but the theme of the letter was that as the INDEPENDENT financial adviser was a Chartered Acccountant then it didn't matter and they weren't going to do anything about it.
Don't trust the FSA to look after your financial interests!

xyon100 03 Apr 2010 , 3:14pm

While there could be some down side to this, I feel it's mainly a very good thing. I can remember only about 15 years back a young man trying desperately to get me to take an endowment mortgage, and it was appalling advice that I was thankfully clued up enough to refuse. I subsequently met him down the pub in the next town some time later, pissed as a newt and partying with his mates. He did NOT have my best interests at heart, his training was at best rudimentary, and he was after the best commision.

JDEvolutionist ...I fully support what you have to say about percentage based fees, usually cannot be justified. My current primary residence, Belgium, would make your skin crawl in this respect. Selling a house will cost you FOUR percent in estate agency fees, and should anybody try to go below that you will be drummed out of the association of estate agents, and no longer able to sell.

The law supports this,.

Should you buy a house the Lawyer gets a set % by law, the government takes a huge percentage by law. Should you build a house the architect gets a percentage of the final value of the house, set by law. Should you have a will to deal with it must go via a lawyer, and they take a percentage, set by law...

It's really quite shocking.

Poshinbristol 03 Apr 2010 , 6:34pm

After reading your article I went for a Life Assurance Quote direct from the Motley Fool website. Surprise, surprise, no advice given yet commission is to be paid..............presumably to the Motley Fool?!
When in glass houses.............

TonyBritten 06 Apr 2010 , 10:06pm

I'm retired now. I spent 30 years in two Clearing Banks. I am a Fellow of the Chartered Inst Bankers.
This is what I can tell you. When I.F.A's first appeared they generally came from Insurance Companies. They had lived with a basic salary and the rest was bonus by way of meeting/exceeding their annual sales targets. Smooth tongued 'professional' salesmen.
Previous to this any form of Investment Advice/information was dealt with by the Management Team who sought advice from the learned professionals in HO. Those grey haired old bank managers in the Banks were the sensible honest ones. They are now gone. I would feel more safe with a Chartered Accountant for obtaining Tax advice and a Stockbroker for Investment information.
Finally, I always found it terribly important to spread your money and thus spread your risks.

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