Investing Is Gambling

Published in Investing on 18 February 2010

Padraig O'Hannelly finds that investors have far more in common with gamblers than they might like to admit.

This article forms part of our Duelling Fools feature on 'Is Investing Gambling?'. Don't forget to read the opposing argument and cast your vote.

How many times have you read, on Motley Fool and elsewhere, that investing is not gambling? It's a theme that comes up regularly, but I have yet to find a convincing distinction between the two activities.

At its heart, I believe, is a desire to distance ourselves from the stereotypical image of the ne'er-do-well squandering the Child Benefit allowance on horses and slot machines, but this does a disservice to gamblers, many of whom are as skilled and disciplined as any investor.

Neither is it accurate to see ourselves as being in control of our financial destiny, unlike the feckless gambler, no matter how we might like to present our investment strategies to our stakeholders: "No darling, I'm not gambling, I'm investing."

Luck plus skill

Gambling spans a very wide range, from games of pure chance such as roulette and lottery, to games where chance plays a role along with skill, such as poker and betting on horses. I put investment in this luck-plus-skill category, because no matter how much skill you employ, your returns are still dependent to a significant extent on being lucky.

But I'm a careful investor

Perhaps the most common misconception is that if we're careless then we are gambling, but if we're careful we are investing. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Being diligent just shifts the odds in our favour (or doesn't, if you believe the markets are efficient), just as it does at the track, but the nature of the transaction is still the same – it's a gamble. Can anyone deny that even the most carefully chosen and conservative investments rely to some extent on the worst case scenario not happening, and that is out of our hands.

And I get dividends

Over the long run, investors as a group have made money, while gamblers as a group have lost, but this just means that investing has been better gamble than gambling. That's why I do it; that, and the fact that I'm a better judge of a company than I am of bloodstock.

Gambling is a zero-sum game, with one person's gain being another person's loss, and after the croupier or bookie takes his cut it becomes a negative-sum game -- that is, your expected return is negative. That is not to say that all gambles should be avoided; the skilled gambler is looking for situations where the odds are in his favour, just like the skilled investor.

And while, historically, investing has been profitable, it is not written in stone that this must always be the case. Investors are buying a future stream of dividends, or more accurately, they are paying for what they expect to be a future stream of dividends. For example, next year an 80% expectation of getting the forecasted dividend, 10% chance of a half divi, 10% chance of nothing, and so on for other years. This may or may not turn out as expected.

In a similar way, the owner of a betting slip has bought the expectation of a payout from the bookie -- let's say a 10% chance of a big payout, and 90% chance of nothing. The scale of the numbers is different, so we adjust our stakes and manage our bankrolls accordingly, but there is no inherent difference in what we are doing.

And I own and fund a business

Yes, holding shares does give you ownership of a business, and it's worth remembering that, but how many people meaningfully exercise their ownership rights?

As regards funding the business, that occurs when the company sells shares to investors, and this is a tiny percentage of share transactions – most of us buy shares on the stock exchange, in the secondary market.

Any wealth created in the business is a function of the original funds raised, management skill, and the passage of time; it has nothing to do with the act of passing the shares around amongst ourselves. (The ability to trade the shares in the market does, however, facilitate the initial fund-raising -- the shares would raise a lot less if they couldn't be sold on).

And in the same way that gambling is a zero-sum game, we trade these entitlements to future expected dividend streams (i.e. shares) in the hope of buying from someone who undervalues them and selling to someone who overvalues them. My profit depends on my being right and others being wrong. Ethically (although this is not an ethical debate) I have no problem with that, and I'm providing a service to both of them.

In the same way that the bookie or house turns a zero-sum game into a negative-sum game, in the secondary market the stockbroker and the Treasury also take their cut from our game of pass the parcel.

Just another form of gambling

Ultimately, investing is a game of skill and luck, as is poker and betting on sports. The pace and the odds are different, so we adjust our mindset and stakes accordingly.

Whether we play with the risks of artificially-created games, or trade existing business risks between ourselves in the zero-sum game of the secondary stock market, the game is essentially the same -- we do our research, we take a position, and we hope that luck is on our side.

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BarrenFluffit 18 Feb 2010 , 2:14pm

interesting attempt to segregate by chance;

WealthyInvestor 18 Feb 2010 , 3:35pm

Comparing investing to betting on a sport is a bit silly.

It is possible to measure the performance of a business and its likely future performance with a considerably higher degree of confidence than the performance of any given horse, or football team, in a race or game.

Where I think the two activities do meet is in the personality types of the people often drawn to both, often the very same people who should be drawn to neither.

Gambling exists in the world of random patterns of chance. What we mean by luck.

Investing requires a high level of business acumen, skill, insight, knowledge, tenacity and insightful judgement. I will end on a note from a chap much smarter than I.

'You cannot beat a roulette table unless you steal money from it.' ~Albert Einstein

divitiae 18 Feb 2010 , 4:25pm

your argument hinges on the idea that anything involving chance is gambling, if you go to work the worst case might be a fatal car accident...

WealthyInvestor 18 Feb 2010 , 5:14pm

Not so. Let me clarify.

The investor invests in the car insurance firm, not the probability of having a crash.

:)

Esquilax100 19 Feb 2010 , 10:21am

WealthyInvestor,

thanks for your comments.

The “considerably higher degree of confidence” you mention is rewarded with a much lower return in the case of being correct – the chances of winning a horse race are much slimmer, but the returns are much higher. I'm not saying horse racing is a better bet than investing, but that it is a similar pursuit.

Some derivative trading strategies also involve being wrong most of the time, but winning big when you win.

Are you saying that if the odds are 100/1 against, it's a gamble, but if they're 100/1 on, it's investment?

It reminds me of the (probably apocryphal) story about Churchill:

Churchill: Madam, would you sleep with me for five million pounds?
Socialite: My goodness, Mr. Churchill... Well, I suppose... we would have to discuss terms, of course...
Churchill: Would you sleep with me for five pounds?
Socialite: Mr. Churchill, what kind of woman do you think I am?!
Churchill: Madam, we've already established that. Now we are haggling about the price.

AngryTim2 19 Feb 2010 , 2:55pm

AHHHHHHHHHH I hate the person who wrote this article.

It's gambling if the expected payoff is below 1 and it's investing if the payoff is above 1. (This is often a function of time horizon and why investing is often over a long time horizon)

Sports betting has an expected payoff below 1 - and by any definition is gambling. (Unless you have inside knowledge.) Roulette is the purest for of gambling and has about a 97% (In Europe). Hence this gambling.

In the stock market if you take a long enough time horizon there is an expectation for positive return. This isn't gambling.



GnomeYOB 19 Feb 2010 , 3:54pm

I have to say that I have always regarded shares as gambling in that you take a guess on a future outcome.

However in gambling there are two sides the house and the punter. With shares you are the house. The system is set up to pay you profits raised from the company not to profit from you.

I disagree that it attracts the same kind of people. I have never placed a bet with a bookie, I have a considerable sum invested in the stockmarket.

GrandOiseau 19 Feb 2010 , 4:50pm

GnomeYOB, he didn't say the "the same people" he said "the same kind of people". The inference being although people may do one or the other they actually have a similar mindset.

AngryTim2, on what basis are you judging the expected payoff of the stock market? We know for sure what the payoff is going to for roulette or a fruit machine. There is no way of knowing the payoff of the stock market over any given period of time.

I spent 20 years sports betting and maybe arguably as long investing. Lately is been more the latter than the former. I've found the similarities quite amazing. I've had the debate before that gambling can be investing, and visa versa but positions are very entrenched and it's a hard debate to win. A big reason TBH is people's misconceptions about what is possible with sports betting these days.

I am pretty sure the results of this poll will say they are different but for me the similarities are big.

GO

rogerpck 20 Feb 2010 , 11:30am

Investing is indeed gambling. Intelligent gambling is investing.
I will keep things as brief as I can.
In 1999 I inherited just over £100,000 from a deceased relative. In 2000, after taking professional advice, I put over half of it in five different unit trust funds and £20,000 in a Norwich Union 'With Pofits Bond'. I also put £14,000 in ISAs (£7,000 at the end of 99/00 tax year and £7,000 at the beginning of the 00/01 tax year)
This was all undertaken just as the notorious 'Dot.com Bubble Burst' was about to take place. In short I lost a lot of money.

In September 2008 I won £10,000 with a £12 bet on an online Littlewoods Football Pools competition. In February 2009 I won over £74,000 with a £280 bet on a different Football Pools competition. Neither comp. was a traditional Treble Chance/Score Draw bet which does rely heavily on luck - but competitions then called the Midweek10 and Footy15 which are tests of skill, knowledge and judgement (and luck as well of course).

Draw your own conclusions.

nxtslave 20 Feb 2010 , 11:41am

I think this all depends on strategies as to how much of a gamble investing is. for example you can not find a bookie that will allow you to take 90% of your investment back off the table if your horse is coming into the last furlong being last and not going to win. With the stock market you can. If you are trading rather than investing then you can control to a large extent how much you are prepared to lose if you are adopting the use of stop losses and other risk management steps. ie you only stay on board a winning horse and if you do your research properly your gains will outway your losses. With horse racing you win or lose, including each way bets, and if you lose youv`e lost the lot.

afamiii 24 Feb 2010 , 4:59pm

My view is that an investment is an asset purchased for the current and conservatively forecast (high probability) future free cash flows available to the owner. Whilst a speculative purchase is an asset purchased for the expected change in price over the holding period.

No doubt this is quite a strict definition and would classify many people who would classify themselves as investors, as speculators.

However the only issue, really is that speculation is looked at (unfairly) in a negative light.

Both investing and speculating can easily be associated with gambling, in that all 3 activities involve the spending current (and certain) cash on assets/events with an uncertain future outcome.

Also, the successful operator in all 3 domains has to be skillful at predicting the range of likely probabalistic outcomes and able to skillfully apply the principles of probability to choosing appropriate purchase (or bet) sizes.

Indeed if one wants to stretch, most of life is similar to gambling (choosing a mate, choosing a job/profession, etc.) in that success is defined by one's skill at understanding how the asset can mature over time and hedging or exiting when the odds begin to look bad.

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