More Pain Ahead For These Plunging Markets

Published in Investing on 5 February 2010

Markets get slammed by Greek debt worries and US job numbers.

You can't say this day was never coming. It was the day when world stock markets freaked out and fell precipitously.

Why the panic?

Any number of factors appeared to be at play…

1) Greece

A day after Greece's plan to narrow the budget gap won European Commission backing, the country's biggest union approved a strike this month, and tax collectors began a 48-hour walkout.

This is on top of the one-day strike planned by main public-employee union. Seems like the Greek unions aren't a big fan of increased fuel taxes, an increased retirement age, and the government backtracking on a promise to raise wages faster than inflation.

Hard to blame them really, although they don't realise their actions may plunge the Euro into crisis and drag world stock markets down even further. Still, they don't care anyway. The slogan for the latest strike is "people come first, markets and profit second."

It's not their fault their government has gotten itself into one almighty pickle of debt. And from their perspective, they don't care one jot if their pain is shared across the globe.

Any odds on when the first riots will hit the streets of Athens?

2) Spain & Portugal

Nobel economist Paul Krugman said that "the biggest trouble spot isn't Greece, it's Spain." 

According to The Telegraph, EU economics commissioner Joaquin Almunia "helped trigger the panic flight from Iberian debt by blurting out that Spain and Portugal were in much the same mess as Greece." Oops!

Piling on top, in The Telegraph Julian Callow from Barclays Capital said the EU may to need to issue a guarantee for Greek debt. "If not contained, this could result in a 'Lehman-style' tsunami spreading across much of the EU." Yikes!

The uncertainty is killing the markets. The lack of an obvious solution doesn't help.

Slashing budgets and public services doesn't help. An EU bail-out may stop the rot in the short-term, but at the same time will undermine confidence in the euro, and certainly have unintended consequences.

As we're seeing now, bail-outs are like a good drug -- they give you a big high when they first kick in, but ultimately leave you nursing far bigger problems.

3) US unemployment

Initial US jobless applications came in at 480,000, the most in seven weeks, and worse than expectations.

"The jobless claims number was definitely disappointing," said Cliff Remily of Thornburg Investment on Bloomberg. "Investors are skittish. They've been looking towards a recovery in 2010 which may not be as strong as expected."

Tell me something new. The US, like the UK, have been throwing the kitchen sink at the recession. Massive government spending, resulting in record budget deficits. Near zero interest rates. Flooding the market with money via the printing presses.

It's brought us back from the brink of economic collapse. It has saved us from the second Great Depression. But it hasn't saved us from a rather large recession.

There is still 10% unemployment in the US and the Euro zone. The UK's unemployment level stands at close to 8%, with the government expecting the jobless to stay above 2m well into the decade.

This recovery will take time. The stock market has already priced in the recovery. Expect 2010 to be a challenging year for investors.

4) General Panic

Panic breeds panic. A day like yesterday makes everyone nervous.

The market hates uncertainty. It hates it when it can't see an obvious solution to a problem.

"The credit crisis has evolved from a corporate credit crisis to a sovereign credit crisis," said Kevin Shacknofsky of Alpine Mutual Funds on Bloomberg. "The banks got bailed out by the governments, but who will bail out the governments? It is a scary proposition."

"There's a lot of noise about the UK or Spain being downgraded," said Arturo De Frias, banking analyst at Evolution Group (LSE: EVG) on Bloomberg. "There's a massive loss of confidence in everything that is Europe. There is contagion from Spain, Greece and Portugal".

Yesterday Barclays (LSE: BARC) plunged 7.8%, Lloyds Banking Group (LSE: LLOY) dropped 6.8% and Royal Bank of Scotland (LSE: RBS) fell 5.8%. Ouch.

Make It Happen

Full-blown crises come largely out of a lack of confidence. We've seen it many times before, most notably in the collapse of sterling in 1992 and the demise of Bear Sterns and complete collapse of Lehman Brothers in 2008.

Once you lose confidence in something, it's very hard to regain that confidence. It doesn't just magically happen. Something has to change into order to make it happen.

Until the change or action comes, don't be surprised if the market continues to wobble.

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ralos 05 Feb 2010 , 12:26pm

Thanks for the update Bruce, there is lot of bad news about the Eurozone and the U.K. at the moment and the USA is not out of the woods by a log shot. This will all have a negative effect on world markets for the foreseeable future.

There is a lot of bad press commentary about sovereign debt, budget deficits, current account deficits, national debt as a percentage of GDP, Eurozone limits being breached, trade deficits, unemployment, etc., etc.

Every article you read there are different figures being bandied around. For example yesterdays Telegraph reported that 'Spain's total public and private debt is over 300pc of GDP, much higher than Greek debt.' but then I read another article recently that said that Spain's public debt of 67% of GDP is below the European average of 80%.

It would be nice if someone could draw up a table of all the most important indicators of economic wellbeing and keep it updated. We could then make an intelligent comparison of one country to another and see who are the real lame ducks and who are the strongest economies.

I think most people have already got the idea that Greece, Portugal, and Spain are weak and Germany is strong but it would be nice to have the figures handy so we can make meaningful comparisons.

A nice job for someone in the Motley Fool! How about you Bruce?

theRealGrinch 05 Feb 2010 , 12:30pm

Since 1988 I have argued for the UK to be out of the EEC and now then EU. I cannot see one advantage to us.

The is more to come when you factor in Indian and Chinese debt, sovereign debt, personal debt, more bank write offs et al. The downward spiral has began and it would not surprise me if the FTSE 100 slides to 4400.

equus4 05 Feb 2010 , 3:21pm

Re:the RealGrinch

yes.... afraid I disagree with you on EU membership, but strongly agree on FTSE 100.

I am betting heavily on the FTSE 100 ending 2010 on around 4600, having dipped below that point on the way.

jaizan 05 Feb 2010 , 6:35pm

Who cares if the Greeks go on strike? Let them. Just don't buy their debt.

jaizan 05 Feb 2010 , 6:41pm

Also, the British taxpayer has been subsidising the EU with unfairly high contributions for 37 years.
We should leave the EU. Norway & Switzerland do very nicely outside it.

nestoframpers 05 Feb 2010 , 10:03pm

the greeks are in a mess cause they dodge their taxes i say chuck them out the eu and give them back their dracmers , good riddance.

wpannuitant 06 Feb 2010 , 11:51am

None of this is new so why was the FTSE racing ahead in January. Re Spain is the BoE and HMG ready to take back Abbey before it gets Spanish tummy and we all have to take the pills?

Luniversal 07 Feb 2010 , 8:32pm

Keep an eye on Ireland too. Bullet bit-- with proposed government cuts that put our leaders to shame, but there's still the chance of default.

Thank God we resisted the EMS, even if CallMeDave ratted on the Lisbon Treaty referendum.

jasonjarvisgbr 09 Feb 2010 , 3:06pm

@jonesj909 ...but Norway has oil and the Swiss have cheese.....and Banking of course which makes them atypical.

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