Maybe It Is Time To Buy

Published in Investing on 27 January 2009

The clue is in the violent share price movements. The bad economy brings uncertainty, but uncertainty brings cheap shares. Do you fancy 50% off Marks & Spencer shares?

Recession today, recovery tomorrow. So goes the ‘usual’ economic cycle. But, and I know these are the five most dangerous investing words, maybe this time it is different.

Never before, in my 20 years of stock market investing, have I seen the entire global banking system come perilously close to collapse. Never before have I witnessed an economic contraction as fast and as severe as what we are seeing today.

As far as the stock market is concerned, never before have I seen share price movements of the scale we are witnessing now. On Monday alone, we saw one FTSE 100 company, Barclays (LSE: BARC), rise a quite astonishing 73%. On the same day, we saw another FTSE 100 company, plumbing group Wolseley (LSE: WOS), fall a portfolio-wrecking 30%.

These are no fly-by-night small companies. These are British institutions. There is no way, in normal times, the biggest and supposedly best of our companies should see their share prices move to such an extent.

Have A Punt And Get Lucky

But these are not normal times. How else do you explain such violent daily share price movements? I mean to say, are you telling me the underlying value of Barclays has increased by 73% in just one day? It’s madness.

You can look at it in 2 ways…

1) Given the highly uncertain economic outlook, no-one has a clue as to the true underlying value of many businesses. As a stock market investor, you can either have a punt, and perhaps get lucky as Barclays punters did today, or bail out of the stock market completely until economic conditions stabilise.

2) If you are prepared to look past the recession and ahead to some rosier times, there are some excellent companies selling at once-in-a-lifetime value prices.

So what do you do? First you have to take a view on the economy, and the profitability of companies.

First, the economy. Will it recover? Yes. When will it recover? Don’t know.

Next, company profitability. Will it recover? Yes. Will it recover to the levels of 2007 and 2008? For some companies, yes. For others, including some retailers and banks, possibly no.

Add it all up, mix all the variables, stir for 5 minutes, place in a round tin, bake at 200 degrees for 30 minutes, remove from oven and serve immediately, and what have you got? A recipe for uncertainty.

The One Great Investing Catch

It’s a well known fact that the stock market hates uncertainty. It hates uncertainty so much that it makes share prices go down.

It’s so much easier and better when you can see some nice steady growth ahead and can establish a decent estimate of a company’s true underlying value. If that underlying value is less than the value of the total company as determined by the stock market, you’ve got a buy.

But there is a catch.

Certainty requires a steady economy. It also means share prices are higher. At the beginning of last year you could have bought shares in Marks and Spencer (LSE: MKS) at 500p. At the time, based on their projected profits for 2008, you were paying about 12 times earnings for your M&S shares, and their earnings were projected to grow a further 10% odd. It seemed about right, because we thought we had certainty.

50% Off Marks & Spencer Shares

Fast forward to today. We can buy M&S shares at less than half the price they were about a year ago – around 225p today. That’s the price of uncertainty. Shares are on sale.

Or are they? M&S trades on 10 times their projected 2010 earnings. In this uncertain economic environment, it seems about right. But what if…

a) the economy recovers in 2010 or even 2011?

b) M&S’ profit margins revert back to their normal levels?

Under those scenarios, M&S shares today are cheap, and could quite conceivably double between now and the end of 2010. I don’t know about you, but right now, a 100% potential gain over 2 years sounds rather attractive, especially coming after what all our share portfolios have just been through.

The Guts To Buy

There are many Marks and Spencer-like scenarios out there in stock market land today. Today’s uncertainty offer the potential for out-sized returns in a relatively short period of time.

It takes guts to buy now. It takes faith to buy now. It takes a glass half full mentality to buy now. It also requires risk-taking. The longer the economy takes to recover, the more chance share prices will continue to fall, the more chance you have of incurring a permanent loss of capital, and the longer it will take for share prices to recover.

Because you are reading this article, I presume you are interested in stock market investing. So what’s it to be? Do you fancy grabbing a bargain today? Or do you wait for tomorrow, when the economy has recovered, and shares are again priced about right?

Maybe it is not different this time after all. Maybe it’s time to buy.

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Ashfield100 27 Jan 2009 , 2:13pm

I cannot ever remember the yeids on shares, ever being so much higher than inflation. Give me 10 years of fear in shares, than 10 years of greed anyday of the week.

Terrapin1 27 Jan 2009 , 6:48pm

I looked at selling Barclays puts for serious premium but a share can always go to zero, fundamentals or not-there was no reason for Barc to get hammered. Most of the fund managers have lost other peoples money by the shedload and as Fool has always said DYOR, and we can beat these numpties.
Trouble is -they have not the slightest clue what to do, we have never been in this position and the US is going to get carted off again soon with ARMS resets and credit card defaults-we in the UK tend to cash settle credit cards, and our homes do have some value after repossession. Expect more madness, and if we get a dip down to 3000 on FTSE, I'll be long.

peepobaby 27 Jan 2009 , 10:12pm

I cannot remember when inflation figures were so far from what inflation is.

Staintunerider 28 Jan 2009 , 6:58am

I see Peepobaby's sentences are getting longer, good for him. But he's probably right i think the stats are meaningless. I have been mentioning the pounds fall as really inflation by the back door, a kind of invisible inflation at the same time everybody is screaming about deflation, mad mad.

As the article says it all about guts. Things that took an age to happen, happen in months now. you could look back in a year and think, if only, but it comes down to the guts factor. Recovery could be swifter than we think or as Terrapin seems to think there other negative factors yet to be factored in that could delay or deterioate the situation further.

What effect is all this money going to have in the US and UK and Europe when it feeds in ? They are all pumping it in.. and the banks here are not going to get away with using the taxpayers cash to shore up their books a second time round. They will be forced to lend, especially as most of them are now over a barrel with the govt in control. The remaining free standers will then have to compete to win business. Thats how they mnake their money.

Perhaps we should all borrow money invest in M&S create certainty and then get the heck out before the spell breaks

kinshaw 28 Jan 2009 , 8:22am

Now is probably not a good time to 'invest' flexible asset. Now is probably a good time to 'invest' in ones financial education and take a good long look at some charts and try to relate what you see on those charts with what has been happening over the last few months, then go back to the last time this all happened and check it out again. Patterns will emerge, probably.
When you see the markets, overall, start to rise consistently check out sectors of possible interest and then instruments of direct involvement. When you are satisfied that you have found what you are looking for make an informed decision and act upon it. If all is well you will make a profit, large or small, and you can move on. If you make an unacceptable loss, get out and try again.
No one can predict the bottom of the situation that we are in at present - but you should be able to see when a sustained return to some kind of 'normality' is underway. It will take some time and patience is required plus a great deal of faith.

jonathanheenan3 28 Jan 2009 , 8:43am

Or M&S shares could look very expensive at 20 x earnings if the profits halve which is more than possible in the current climate.

Banks have just had what I believe is capitulation. They are far too cheap now, at least Barclays and LLoyds are a great buy and hold now. The rest of the market will head lower though, otherwise I will eat my socks!

loddonlad 28 Jan 2009 , 10:01am

I've continued investing in shares right through the current turbulent times and so far I've "done alright". No matter what happens to bank shares avoid them like the plague. There is a danger of nationalisation and also a danger that more bad news is yet to be released. I would neither trust a bank nor the government if they told me it was Thursday tomorrow! Both have a way to go to re-establish credibility, with me at least.

thirty06 28 Jan 2009 , 10:22am

"Maybe it is time to buy". I'm glad we've got that cleared up.

"Do you fancy 50% off Marks and Spencer shares?" I don't care, I don't hold. Those who do hold probably don't fancy the drop. I hope this isn't a suggestion that we should call the bottom of the market and buy shares speculatively in the hope of selling when the price has risen. This is known as the 'greater fool' system. the trick is not to be the 'greatest fool'.

You can either have a punt or sell out:

Or just go do something else. Fiddling about with your portfolio is generally a bad idea.


"Normal times": the good old days ? when bank managers drove Rovers and trade was conducted by suited commuters who owned the better houses in leafy dormitory towns ? Possibly it's an age thing. I grew up with raging inflation, knackered British industry and a pound that was sinking faster than a simile. I've seen a couple of periods when the economy didn't look ready for the knackers yard and some firms prospered. Then there was a bull run and we got back to where we are now.

This is normal, surely ?

What's this obsession with MKS ? a retailer that was seriously troubled, recovered a bit and then got spanked by the recession. They sell the same stuff as other retailers, but they charge more, not necessarily a winning strategy. will they get back to their 'normal' levels of profit and a realistic share price ?

This article would appear to be an appeal on behalf of the FTSE, that everything is going to be okay now. If a bunch of Fools buy in this week and the index goes to 3,000, what are you going to tell them ? "Maybe this was not the time to buy" ?


CaptainConfident 28 Jan 2009 , 12:30pm

No, the message would be the same at 3000 - time to buy. This is an investment orientated site, and if you're the cash-in-the-matress type, you should go back to gardening.

dodge1664 28 Jan 2009 , 1:59pm

My bet is that the UK now faces years of stagnation while the enormous debts of the past are paid off. I see that as being optimistic.

I'm sticking to companies that I think can survive that scenario. That being said, I can't imagine the UK being an attractive place to invest and do business for a long time. Some retailers will survive and eventually prosper with less competition. I'm unsure if M&S will be in that group, so I'm not buying

veritablemonster 29 Jan 2009 , 5:45pm

Are the shares out there being deliberately hammered to reduce the Market Caps and make the banks easier targets for takeover? The Govt will accept an offer in the region of their input or a combination of that plus loan repayments if the push came to shove.

bertshaw 30 Jan 2009 , 1:38am
Fingered 30 Jan 2009 , 11:32pm

Good for you CaptainC....the more you buy and drive up the markets in a bear rally, the more oppourtunities there are for me to short you down.

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