Naive 20-Year Olds Make The Best Investors

Published in Investing on 14 January 2009

Stock market investing need not be complicated. By asking 2 simple questions, university student Jody proves just how easy it can be.

I was travelling on the train recently when I bumped into a girlfriend of a friend. 20-year old Jody was making the one hour train ride to go to her daily university classes.

About 30 minutes into the journey, we started talking about what I do for a living. I explained to Jody that I write about the stock market, and have a keen interest in shares.

Jody knew the stock market had been through a tough patch. It has been in the news, and she’d read about how some people had lost fortunes in the great crash of 2008. After I explained my simple version of how it all happened – too much debt, too much spending, over-inflated house prices, questionable lending by the banks, over-valued share prices, recession – she asked two simple questions…

If people were happy to buy shares last year, why aren’t they buying more now they are 30% cheaper? Surely cheaper is better, isn’t it?

They are great questions. One reason people who bought last year but are not buying now is that in early 2008, most of us didn’t know the global economy was about to enter a deep recession. In a recession, profits fall, and although share prices have already fallen, they are not necessarily cheap just because they have fallen by 30%, 40%, 50% or more.

Avoid With A Barge Pole

For example, take a look at this list of big fallers over the past 12 months.

CompanyRecent Share Price1 Year Share Price FallForward P/EForward Dividend Yield
Barratt Developments (LSE: BDEV)93p73%(7)0%
Royal Bank of Scotland (LSE: RBS)51p87%70%
DSG International (LSE: DSGI)21p71%90%
Yell Group (LSE: YELL)54p84%20%
Punch Taverns (LSE: PUB)58p98%10%

Are those companies cheap? Possibly. But they are all facing substantial headwinds, whether that is because of the recession, because of uncertainty, because they are companies in permanent decline, or because they have serious levels of debt. Personally, I wouldn’t trust any of the forward price to earnings (P/E) ratios and wouldn’t be touching any of them with a barge pole, whatever the valuation.

A Risk Averse Nation Of Investors

Back to Jody’s question. Another reason why people aren’t buying shares today is because we’ve all suddenly become risk averse.

If we are risk averse because we fear for our jobs, and we want to build up a buffer of savings should the dreaded P45 land on our desks, that’s completely understandable.

If we are risk averse because we fear the worst for the global economy, and we expect share prices to fall significantly from here, that too is understandable. That said, we don’t want try to time the market, because as we all know, timing the market is virtually impossible.

But if we are risk averse simply because we’ve lost money, and are fearful of losing more money, we’re a) potentially going to fall for the biggest investing mistake of all time, of buying high and selling low and/or b) missing out on some compelling long-term bargains.

Cheap Is Good

Jody, in all her naivety, hit the nail on the head. Cheaper is better. Would you rather buy Tesco (LSE: TSCO) shares at the 472p they traded last year, or at the 352p they trade today? How about Royal Dutch Shell (LSE: RDSB)? Would you rather buy them at 2212p or today’s 1734p?

Obviously the investing game has changed between last year and this year. In the case of Tesco, sales growth is slowing. In the case of Shell, the oil price is down significantly from last year. In the case of the economy, it’s in recession now, and expected to stay that way for most of the rest of this year, and probably into 2010.

Yet you could argue most of the bad news, including a long recession, is already factored into share prices of companies like Tesco and Shell. And when you compare their dividend yields with that of base interest rates, shares look even more attractive.

Keep It Simple Stupid

So Jody, in answer to your simple questions, people who bought shares last year should be buying shares this year, and yes, cheaper is better. But, as ever with the stock market, there are always other considerations to take into account, like individual company valuation and competitive advantage, the economy and interest rates.

As an aside, it’s exactly these factors that Maynard Paton, over at our premium stock picking service Champion Shares, spends his time looking at. Take out a free 30-day trial today and check out his very latest share recommendations.

But I digress. My one hour train journey with Jody was enlightening. Stock market investing need not be complicated. If you ask Jody, she would sum it up as “Buy shares when they are cheap, and sell them when they are expensive.” Many companies are cheap today. I’m still selectively buying. If Jody had the cash, she’d be buying too. Her day will come.

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> Bruce Jackson doesn’t have an interest in any of the companies mentioned in this article.

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LastChip 14 Jan 2009 , 1:18pm

The problem is, I wouldn't want to be buying Tesco at 352p, if in six months time, they may be 252p!

And there lays the rub; lack of confidence and where is the bottom?

Of course, nobody knows; not you, me, Maynard Paton or anyone else.

Personally for what it's worth, I still don't think we've hit the bottom and when unemployment starts hitting three million, and when people really start to come to terms with what is really happening around them, then you'll see some serious discontent. Furthermore, that's not even accounting for the governments massaged figures for unemployment, because as we all know, various initiatives, serve to falsify the true story.

I don't believe this year will be about making money at all, but more about minimising losses through inflation erosion. If you can walk away by the end of the year and say, I'm only down 5% this year, I suspect you will have done well.

For myself, I'm very content to have locked away a fair amount of cash at 7% for three years (no longer available), but whether my strategy, or your favoured route of buying shares wins, remains to be seen. At 7%, I suspect I may just about break even with the real rate of inflation, but it's guaranteed, as long as the government doesn't go bust in the meantime!

CunningCliff 14 Jan 2009 , 2:19pm

Jody says, "Buy shares when they are cheap, and sell them when they are expensive."

If you can accurately define "cheap" and "expensive", then you have a perfect stock-picking formula. Alas, only in theory, not in practice! ;0)

Cliff

Ashfield100 14 Jan 2009 , 3:42pm

With the stock market over 5% down today, Its better to buy shares today than yesterday.

rober09 14 Jan 2009 , 5:17pm

"Buy cheap,sell dear" is such an engaging principle. Pity that most people (including fund managers)seem to find it totally impossible to do!!!

Yorkstyke 15 Jan 2009 , 10:02am

Perhaps these youngsters should become fund managers, they can't do any worse than some of the so called "experts"

BritishSceptic 15 Jan 2009 , 10:46am

To Quote: 'Keep it simple stupid' this is why I prefer pound cost averaging. Drip feed the cash in to a tracker and scoop the bottom of the barrel, if it keeps falling, great, Im getting more bang for my buck!

Then when it rises to an acceptable level for me I will reassess my options, generally cash in the profit to invest in other vehicles.

RobbesPierre 15 Jan 2009 , 12:33pm

How's Maynard's Track Record? Would anyone recommend subscribing to the Champion Shares service?

NatFeerick 15 Jan 2009 , 4:30pm

I agree with Jody's simplistic view. However, every night the evening news reports on yet another stable, long-standing, solid company that is laying off staff or calling in the cavalry. So, Tesco's shares may fall further - but will Tesco's crash and burn? Probably not. Then again, did anyone think Woolworth's would? We live in uncertain times and the only certainty is that tomorrow will bring a different set of challenges from today. Cash is still king.

bojotools 15 Jan 2009 , 5:00pm

Let's remember that the companies who are going to the wall with very high profile closures actually don't make or sell things that we actually need. Woolworths used to sell 'essentials' but lost the plot years ago in a spiral of incomplete product ranges and cheap tat. Those businesses who actually make decent quality consumer goods which are consumables of one kind or another will survive and probably thrive, provided that they are not strangled by over cautious bankers who have now gone from lending to anyone with a pulse and a pen to refusing working capital credit needed by healthy businesses.

compound200 16 Jan 2009 , 12:46am

falling knife--BP have blown 26 billion buying back there own shares

compound200 16 Jan 2009 , 12:59am

also fund managers on tv

when market is going UP---now is the time to buy(dont miss the boat)

when market is going DOWN-now is the time to buy(theres value)

they NEVER tell YOU when to SELL(even in a bear mkt)

they constantly need FEEDING with new investors cash,and will talk BULL to get it.

Staintunerider 16 Jan 2009 , 6:36am

Lastchip

7 percent that's amazing, I hope it's safe though or that it'll be honoured.

Isn't this what Iceland savers felt smug about this year, and the Maddoff investors.

Staintunerider 16 Jan 2009 , 6:40am

Can you get Jody a job at axa as well they turned 15k invested up to 99 into 10k at todays value. Some slick suited 200k a year fund manager who bores people rigid at dinner parties is responsible for this. The reality is he's a windbag and useless at his job !

Staintunerider 16 Jan 2009 , 6:42am

compound 200 I think you mean broker, not fund manager. The latter manage(badly) the former flog.

compound200 16 Jan 2009 , 9:03am

yeah--sorry broker

thx

LastChip 16 Jan 2009 , 2:37pm

Staintunerider; to answer your comment, it's protected by the Investors Compensation Scheme, hence my reference to the government going broke.

So it's as safe as it can be, given the times we live in.

Personally, I feel a lot more confident with that, than the stock market at this present time.

cutepoolgirl 17 Jan 2009 , 1:34am

I had never invested in anything before. i had a mortgage with Northern Rock and liked the company and thought they were attracting new customers (a few too many, i found out!).

Well, shares had been dropping, so i bought them when they were low. They dropped again, so I bought some more thinking they would have to go up (and they would have eventually if Richard Branson had been allowed to buy the company)...

BIG Oops!

Haven't invested since...bought some houses instead.

WoosterUK 17 Jan 2009 , 10:47am

I prefer the original title.

compound200 17 Jan 2009 , 2:45pm

Barratt Developments (LSE: BDEV) 93p---now 79.75p
Royal Bank of Scotland (LSE: RBS) 51p--now 34.70p
DSG International (LSE: DSGI) 21p------now 20.25p
Yell Group (LSE: YELL) 54p-------------now 53.00p
Punch Taverns (LSE: PUB) 58p-----------now 39.00p

portfolio down 23% since naive girl jody bought


"Jody, in all her naivety, hit the nail on the head. Cheaper is better"

DrDong1 18 Jan 2009 , 9:10pm

If only investing was that simple of buying cheap and selling dear, then everyone would make money.

I tried this system and lost money or broke even between 2001-2007. Then luckily I found a book that changed my view of investing, and last year I made a 13% gain in my ISA portfolio and I'm already up 5% this year (currently in 100% cash)

The problem with the simple questions Jodie asks is that shares are sold on a market. And a market always prices products (in this case shares) according to an equal number of buyers to an equal number of sellers at that moment of time. Therefore nothing is cheap and nothing is expensive, it is correctly priced at that moment in time, dependant on many factors.

More importantly Jodie should ask when and what to buy and more importantly when to sell in order to profit.

Some may disagree with my opinion, but my way of investing suits me.

compound200 19 Jan 2009 , 5:00am

dr. dong --was the book the next big investment boom by mark shipman.

Fingered 19 Jan 2009 , 8:39am

What Foolish nonsense

DrDong1 19 Jan 2009 , 8:35pm

Compound200, No it's not by Mark Shipman, but that book sounds interesting and quite similar in that fundamentals and chart analysis are used.

The book that I am referring to is How to Make Money in Stocks by William J. O'Neil. It's not written very well and will take some studying, but his system to determine market direction is a must for the serious trader. As it gave me a sell signal back in Oct 07, and a buy signal at the end of Jan 08 and a sell signal at the end of May 08.

This morning at work, a colleague was telling me how cheap the banks shares were and that RBS had dropped about 90 percent, by late afternoon it had fallen to 66%. The reason for this, I told him, was that the price had to drop in order to equal the amount of sellers on the market, just like a house would drop in price to attract a buyer.

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