The Lunatics Are Taking Over The Asylum

Published in Investing on 3 November 2008

It’s easy to be a doomsayer now. Times are tough, and likely to get tougher. UK PLC is in decline. But it will rise again, and sooner than you think.

The doomsters have it. They are ruling the roost.

Those people who’ve been predicting the house price collapse for years have been proven correct.

Those people who’ve been predicting the banks have been too greedy, and over-exposed to the housing market, have been proven correct.

Those people who’ve been saying the stock market is over-valued and just a gamble have been proven correct.

Those people who’ve been predicting we’re headed for a recession have been proven correct.

Well Done Doomsters

I say to those people who’ve saved themselves a considerable amount of money by staying out of the housing market and by staying out of the stock market, and/or selling up before the crash, well done and congratulations. You’ve saved yourselves some serious money.

I say to those people who have continued to live within their financial needs, studiously saving money where they can and those people who didn’t run high on credit card and/or loan debt, well done and congratulations.

When all about you are living the life of riley, living off the money banks were all too eager to throw at you, you’ve remained realistic and focused. You have saved yourselves some serious money, some serious stress, and ultimately, your actions will stand you in great financial stead in the years and decades ahead.

For the rest of us, me included, shame on us.

My mistake has been to remain invested in shares. It has been a painful and expensive time, watching your portfolio fall by 30%, 40%, 50%. I’ve stopped counting by now, but I would guess my losses would be in that range. It doesn’t make me feel much better, but I suspect I’m not alone.

The Great Blame Game

Today, the doomsters still hold the upper hand. They are the people who are predicting house prices could still fall a further 30%, that the stock market could still fall a further 50%, that we are in for a long and very deep recession and one we may struggle to ever escape.

There is seemingly no shortage of people who are willing to blame the government for the current predicament. Whether it be the council tax, VAT, income tax, inheritance tax, the health system, education, the welfare system, immigration, housing, foreign policy or whatever, they are willing to blame them and it.

It’s human nature I guess. When things are tough, when people are doing it tough, they are only too quick to be pessimistic. Right now, there is no doubt things are tough, and little doubt they are likely to get tougher in the next 6-18 months.

The threat of unemployment is the biggest cloud hanging over individuals today. If and when people lose their jobs, immediately their living standards, including the very house they live in, are in jeopardy. And you don’t need me to tell you finding a new job during a recession is a far different challenge than many of us have been used to over the past 15 odd years.

Getting Out Of This Pickle

I say to the doomsters – have your day. You deserve it. You’ve been waiting for times like these for years. Blame Gordon Brown, Tony Blair, John Major and Margaret Thatcher. Bemoan the long and slow death of British manufacturing. Curse the City fat cats who got us into this mess, yet will be more than comforted by the huge salaries from years gone by.

I also say to the doomsters – beware of extrapolating the recent past far into the future. It’s consistently the biggest mistake stock market investors make, and therefore the biggest mistake amateur economists and expert doomsters make. Right now, it is hard to see how UK PLC will get itself out of this pickle.

But I feel confident it will. The City of London and its huge international finance presence will rise again, this time in somewhat of a more measured fashion, at least until the next credit bubble, due in 15-20 years' time. Budding industries like biotechnology and technology will rise and rise. There is no reason why we can’t challenge the USA in those fields.

What we can’t do is challenge the manufacturing cost efficiencies of a country like China. Our cost of living is simply too high for our products to be competitive on the local and world stages. End of story.

These days, intellectual property (IP) is our main asset. Companies like Autonomy (LSE: AU.) and ARM Holdings (LSE: ARM) are excellent examples of successful British IP companies.

We have a strong entrepreneurial spirit, although it arguably could be stronger. Companies with great leaders, strong products and good finances will expand abroad organically or though acquisition. Some of our biggest companies today, like BP (LSE: BP.), Vodafone (LSE: VOD), Astrazeneca (LSE: AZN), BG Group (LSE: BG.) and Tesco (LSE: TSCO) are doing or have done just that.

Two Choices For These Tough Economic Times

These are tough economic times, and they are set to get even tougher.

The doomsters might be right – the FTSE 100 index might be headed below 3000, we might be headed for a long Japanese style L-shaped recession, our finance sector might never bounce back, our best people might leave our shores, frustrated at government policy and/or the general negativity and lack of opportunity, the NHS and education system might never be best of breed, despite billions being poured into them over the years, etc. etc. etc.

Life is never plain sailing. There is always a new challenge just around the corner, whether that be a career, education, health, wealth or family challenge. When confronted with such challenges, I reckon you have two choices…

1. You can go back into your shell, put on your doomster hat, fill your cupboards with tinned food and bottled water, worry about the future, blame everyone else for the past, and generally a somewhat negative existence, and assume to government will fully fund (and more) your living and health expenses into your old age.

2. You can treat the challenge as an opportunity. Work harder. Work smarter. Be positive. Have faith in yourself and your fellow citizens. Change your career. Re-educate yourself. Look forward with optimism. Take control of your own future.

I’m in the second camp. Change is good. This global financial crisis has changed some things, including the size of my share portfolio! I’ve learnt some good lessons. Rather than wallowing in what might have been, I’ve moved on. It’s no use crying over spilt milk, and what is done is done.

No Shame In Owning Shares In These Companies

When it comes to investing, you can join the doomsters, those worried about the stock market plunging yet further, worried about the recession from hell, preparing for a 3 day working week complete with electricity black-outs, worried that UK PLC is a basket case.

Or you can look on the brighter side. You can have faith in UK PLC, its people, its intellectual property, and its government. And you can invest your hard earned money in the future growth of UK PLC, at prices we’ve rarely seen.

My colleague Maynard Paton, our resident share tipster over at our premium Champion Shares newsletter said to Members of his service just recently…“I don't know when the credit crunch will be resolved. But I am sure it will be resolved, by which time I predict the stock market will have already turned and moved somewhat higher…I hope you won't feel any shame owning these or any other Champion Shares recommendations when the bottom of the market comes.”

Who knows? The stock market may already be past the bottom. Now there’s a comment for the doomsters to lick their lips over. Go for it below!

> Maynard Paton is a believer in intellectual property, and has recently recommended 4 companies as buys for Members of his market-beating Champion Shares tipsheet. You can Champion Shares for free today for 30 days with absolutely no obligation to subscribe, guaranteed!

> Bruce Jackson doesn’t have a beneficial interest in of the companies mentioned in this article.

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blackwaterman 03 Nov 2008 , 10:30am

Entrepreneurial spirit? Don't make me laugh! Have you tried getting a mobile mechanic to fix your car on a Sunday? Or a plumber? Yes, the market's there but where's the response to it?
I was recently confined to my house through a non-infectious illness, but needed a mobile hairdresser as I'd put off my haircut for too long before falling ill. My first mistake was being male. If I'd been a bride, things may have been easier. Even so, I found that their advertised mobile numbers wouldn't even accept incoming calls! Out of 15 or so calls NONE responded AT ALL! Finally, my local paper arrived with a short list of 3 so-called "mobile hairdresserd", 2 of which were clearly ladies-only, and didn't reply anyway. The last one wasn't and ACTUALLY ANSWERED THE PHONE! He got the job of course. That's the state of "entrepreneurial spirit in UK today.

thirty06 03 Nov 2008 , 10:39am

What is the point of this piece ?

>I say to those people who have continued to live >within their financial needs,

'Means' ?

>My mistake has been to remain invested in shares. >It has been a painful and expensive time, >watching your portfolio fall by 30%, 40%, 50%. >I’ve stopped counting by now, but I would guess >my losses would be in that range. It doesn’t make >me feel much better, but I suspect I’m not alone.

Maybe not, but do you hear the rest of us going on about it?

What part of 'Your investment may go down as well as up' did you not understand? If this hurts you then I suggest that you should have put the lot in the Post Office and forgotten about it.

Seriously.

>Work harder. Work smarter. Be positive.

Work better and sort out some of the grammar in this:

>When things are tough, when people are doing it >tough, they are only too quick to be pessimistic.

and rewite this.

>If and when people lose their jobs, immediately >their living standards, including the very house >they live in, are in jeopardy.

I ask again, what is the point of this piece ?

It starts with a big whinge about disastrous investments and then seems to go over to being a plug for a new investment trend. What is this ? some tabloid ? No!? Apparently it's the Motley Fool where I learned the following.

1)Pay off all debt (except possibly mortgage debt, as that's how most of us can get a house).

2)Live within your means and cut out spending you don't need. Maintain a bank balance that will meet all your everyday budget (food, clothes, bills, car, holidays) without going overdrawn or calling on your savings.

3)Save up until you have three months' income (better to have six) in a safe readily available savings account or similar. This is your emergency fund if you lose your job. You may borrow from this is you have to, but be sure to pay yourself back.

4)Save for the medium term (up to five years) by buying low cost financial products THAT YOU UNDERSTAND. Buy these with any money in excess of your emergency fund.

5)Save for your long term future. You may buy more volatile products such as tracking funds or unit trusts. Invest money that you do not need immediately.

Understand that your investment may go down as well as up. You may buy shares in sound companies which are trading at fair or low value. Be sure that you are emotionally suited to the possibility that your shares may fall by a large percentage of their value; if you cannot handle this possibility, do not buy shares.


I read that here many years ago and it has served me well. There are a lot of boards on the Fool devoted to helping people live within their means and invest sensibly. Those boards are there for everyone.

So why does this article link to the chance to speculate in Intellectual Property ?

Oh yes, another sound piece of advice from the Fool of old. Don't waste your time reading share tips.

jamesey73uk 03 Nov 2008 , 10:40am

An excellent article and in response to blackwater, if you have a road side assistance policy you can get a mechanic to your car 24/7?

I understand your frustrations at the mobile hairdressers, however; I also understand why ladies only want to carry out work for ladies their safety I am sure is paramount to them!

We hear some horrendous stories on the news of what can happen to men and women in our country and others - I think I would think of me first too?

Of course people are looking for someone to blame that's what we do in the UK!

Personally I am optimistic and as Simon Cowell said on Saturday night Britain is the place to be!

blackwaterman 03 Nov 2008 , 11:11am

My general point about entrepreneurial spirit was that there's precious little. I don't think failing to respond to customers phone calls at all is acceptable. Are these people seriously in business? I fully understand the issue raised about personal safety, but don't you think there any male mobile hairdressers? Or plumbing jobs that need fixing on Sundays? Re car mechanics, I wasn't thinking of breakdowns, but the situation where maybe only a Sunday is available. Even if one's willing to pay premium prices, the service just isn't there. Let's take a simpler example. In most European countries if you visit an inn or other equivalent of a pub, you just sit down and almost immediately someone attends to ask for your order of food and/ or drink (often logged on a hand-held mini-PC device) which arrives very shortly after ordering. Here we do nearly all of it ourselves AND are expected to tip for the privilege of waiting ages for the products to arrive.
Britain is very good for some things, but service and entrepreneurial spirit definitely aren't on my list.

teecee90 03 Nov 2008 , 12:37pm

The material world is the only one we have.

LastChip 03 Nov 2008 , 2:13pm

thirtyo6 - well said.

I don't consider it to be a doomster to look at reality.

I would remind the writer just how long it is likely to take to recover a 50%+ loss. Putting it mildly, it's not good for confidence!

But it will rise again, and sooner than you think.

Almost certainly, but I just hope I'm not dead before it happens!

banditsnatcher 03 Nov 2008 , 3:54pm

Hmmm this is a relatively simplistic view, that in order to be economically strong all you need is "the right spirit"..
The UK economy is a three legged stool, and two legs were oil and finance. The third stool is neither hair cuttery nor vehicle maintenence!

mechos 03 Nov 2008 , 4:41pm

This article seems to be talking at cross purposes somewhat. There are two spectrums of behavioural traits being wrongly coupled together here.

1. Selfishness <----> Altruism
2. Pessimism <----> Optimism

I think Bruce is trying to cheer himself up with the idea that he is, at least, altruistic : "My optimism may have been misplaced, but at least I'm not selfish like all those pessimistic doomsters".

Anyway, does single-handedly carrying the banner for investment in the free market despite great personal costs really amount to altruism? Perhaps more a case of investing capital in unproductive enterprises?

OK, them are some permabears out there, but also
plenty of good, altruistic people who have been pessimistic about what has amounted to an unsustainable credit bubble. In fact many who are altruistic and optimistic enough to think that this bust means that the time has finally arrived for prudent individuals with modest, steady incomes to get ahead in life. "Doomsters" is a prejorative term. I prefer "wise".

Staintunerider 03 Nov 2008 , 11:31pm

As Blackwaterman wasn't going discoing any time soon, why not use the old pudding bowl on the head trick and cut round it ! I suspect he falls into the Doomster category.

Also i think the article meant innovation at the top end of the commercial world not the bottom of it. Janice and her curling tongs are not going to turn this country around !

Fabius1 03 Nov 2008 , 11:43pm

I think the loonies have been running the asylum for some time now.

AuntieJane 04 Nov 2008 , 1:23am

Dear thirty06

Will you marry me?

:-)

TitchEagle 04 Nov 2008 , 10:29am

Additional things that bother me:-

1- How much is the government borrowing, in total, to cope with all of this - including maintaining their current spending budgets that were established before the current meltdown and then all this additional borrowing on top to buy up the Banks and re-capitalise the economy etc. etc.

2 - Who are the government borrowing it from?

3 - What are the interest rates and terms - I remember a few years back there was the big move to cancel the debts of some countries because they could never even keep up the interest payments let alone repay the capital - How will the UK do it?

blackwaterman 03 Nov 2008 , 10:30am

Entrepreneurial spirit? Don't make me laugh! Have you tried getting a mobile mechanic to fix your car on a Sunday? Or a plumber? Yes, the market's there but where's the response to it?
I was recently confined to my house through a non-infectious illness, but needed a mobile hairdresser as I'd put off my haircut for too long before falling ill. My first mistake was being male. If I'd been a bride, things may have been easier. Even so, I found that their advertised mobile numbers wouldn't even accept incoming calls! Out of 15 or so calls NONE responded AT ALL! Finally, my local paper arrived with a short list of 3 so-called "mobile hairdresserd", 2 of which were clearly ladies-only, and didn't reply anyway. The last one wasn't and ACTUALLY ANSWERED THE PHONE! He got the job of course. That's the state of "entrepreneurial spirit in UK today.

thirty06 03 Nov 2008 , 10:39am

What is the point of this piece ?

>I say to those people who have continued to live >within their financial needs,

'Means' ?

>My mistake has been to remain invested in shares. >It has been a painful and expensive time, >watching your portfolio fall by 30%, 40%, 50%. >I’ve stopped counting by now, but I would guess >my losses would be in that range. It doesn’t make >me feel much better, but I suspect I’m not alone.

Maybe not, but do you hear the rest of us going on about it?

What part of 'Your investment may go down as well as up' did you not understand? If this hurts you then I suggest that you should have put the lot in the Post Office and forgotten about it.

Seriously.

>Work harder. Work smarter. Be positive.

Work better and sort out some of the grammar in this:

>When things are tough, when people are doing it >tough, they are only too quick to be pessimistic.

and rewite this.

>If and when people lose their jobs, immediately >their living standards, including the very house >they live in, are in jeopardy.

I ask again, what is the point of this piece ?

It starts with a big whinge about disastrous investments and then seems to go over to being a plug for a new investment trend. What is this ? some tabloid ? No!? Apparently it's the Motley Fool where I learned the following.

1)Pay off all debt (except possibly mortgage debt, as that's how most of us can get a house).

2)Live within your means and cut out spending you don't need. Maintain a bank balance that will meet all your everyday budget (food, clothes, bills, car, holidays) without going overdrawn or calling on your savings.

3)Save up until you have three months' income (better to have six) in a safe readily available savings account or similar. This is your emergency fund if you lose your job. You may borrow from this is you have to, but be sure to pay yourself back.

4)Save for the medium term (up to five years) by buying low cost financial products THAT YOU UNDERSTAND. Buy these with any money in excess of your emergency fund.

5)Save for your long term future. You may buy more volatile products such as tracking funds or unit trusts. Invest money that you do not need immediately.

Understand that your investment may go down as well as up. You may buy shares in sound companies which are trading at fair or low value. Be sure that you are emotionally suited to the possibility that your shares may fall by a large percentage of their value; if you cannot handle this possibility, do not buy shares.


I read that here many years ago and it has served me well. There are a lot of boards on the Fool devoted to helping people live within their means and invest sensibly. Those boards are there for everyone.

So why does this article link to the chance to speculate in Intellectual Property ?

Oh yes, another sound piece of advice from the Fool of old. Don't waste your time reading share tips.

jamesey73uk 03 Nov 2008 , 10:40am

An excellent article and in response to blackwater, if you have a road side assistance policy you can get a mechanic to your car 24/7?

I understand your frustrations at the mobile hairdressers, however; I also understand why ladies only want to carry out work for ladies their safety I am sure is paramount to them!

We hear some horrendous stories on the news of what can happen to men and women in our country and others - I think I would think of me first too?

Of course people are looking for someone to blame that's what we do in the UK!

Personally I am optimistic and as Simon Cowell said on Saturday night Britain is the place to be!

blackwaterman 03 Nov 2008 , 11:11am

My general point about entrepreneurial spirit was that there's precious little. I don't think failing to respond to customers phone calls at all is acceptable. Are these people seriously in business? I fully understand the issue raised about personal safety, but don't you think there any male mobile hairdressers? Or plumbing jobs that need fixing on Sundays? Re car mechanics, I wasn't thinking of breakdowns, but the situation where maybe only a Sunday is available. Even if one's willing to pay premium prices, the service just isn't there. Let's take a simpler example. In most European countries if you visit an inn or other equivalent of a pub, you just sit down and almost immediately someone attends to ask for your order of food and/ or drink (often logged on a hand-held mini-PC device) which arrives very shortly after ordering. Here we do nearly all of it ourselves AND are expected to tip for the privilege of waiting ages for the products to arrive.
Britain is very good for some things, but service and entrepreneurial spirit definitely aren't on my list.

teecee90 03 Nov 2008 , 12:37pm

The material world is the only one we have.

LastChip 03 Nov 2008 , 2:13pm

thirtyo6 - well said.

I don't consider it to be a doomster to look at reality.

I would remind the writer just how long it is likely to take to recover a 50%+ loss. Putting it mildly, it's not good for confidence!

But it will rise again, and sooner than you think.

Almost certainly, but I just hope I'm not dead before it happens!

banditsnatcher 03 Nov 2008 , 3:54pm

Hmmm this is a relatively simplistic view, that in order to be economically strong all you need is "the right spirit"..
The UK economy is a three legged stool, and two legs were oil and finance. The third stool is neither hair cuttery nor vehicle maintenence!

mechos 03 Nov 2008 , 4:41pm

This article seems to be talking at cross purposes somewhat. There are two spectrums of behavioural traits being wrongly coupled together here.

1. Selfishness <----> Altruism
2. Pessimism <----> Optimism

I think Bruce is trying to cheer himself up with the idea that he is, at least, altruistic : "My optimism may have been misplaced, but at least I'm not selfish like all those pessimistic doomsters".

Anyway, does single-handedly carrying the banner for investment in the free market despite great personal costs really amount to altruism? Perhaps more a case of investing capital in unproductive enterprises?

OK, them are some permabears out there, but also
plenty of good, altruistic people who have been pessimistic about what has amounted to an unsustainable credit bubble. In fact many who are altruistic and optimistic enough to think that this bust means that the time has finally arrived for prudent individuals with modest, steady incomes to get ahead in life. "Doomsters" is a prejorative term. I prefer "wise".

Staintunerider 03 Nov 2008 , 11:31pm

As Blackwaterman wasn't going discoing any time soon, why not use the old pudding bowl on the head trick and cut round it ! I suspect he falls into the Doomster category.

Also i think the article meant innovation at the top end of the commercial world not the bottom of it. Janice and her curling tongs are not going to turn this country around !

Fabius1 03 Nov 2008 , 11:43pm

I think the loonies have been running the asylum for some time now.

AuntieJane 04 Nov 2008 , 1:23am

Dear thirty06

Will you marry me?

:-)

TitchEagle 04 Nov 2008 , 10:29am

Additional things that bother me:-

1- How much is the government borrowing, in total, to cope with all of this - including maintaining their current spending budgets that were established before the current meltdown and then all this additional borrowing on top to buy up the Banks and re-capitalise the economy etc. etc.

2 - Who are the government borrowing it from?

3 - What are the interest rates and terms - I remember a few years back there was the big move to cancel the debts of some countries because they could never even keep up the interest payments let alone repay the capital - How will the UK do it?

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