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Published in Get Out of Debt on 3 December 2007

Neil Faulkner looks to The Motley Fool's Dealing with Debt community to find answers to two common debt queries.

The Motley Fool's extraordinary Dealing with Debt community helps anyone regardless of their level of debt and how it came about, and they do it without judging you. Visit the board, explain your debt problem, and kind Fools will likely give you some good advice.

Here are a couple of common questions that debtors often ask:

I don't want to tell my wife/husband/parents, but should I? And how?

Frequent poster tonyreptiles summarises the broad view of the Dealing with Debt community. He says, when it comes to telling your family and friends, in particular your partner, 'General consensus is to fess up. Of course that is down to individual circumstances but i generally agree with the truth is best foundations concept'.

Regular poster and one of the most recommended Fool's, Tortoise1000, responded to a message from hgmc, who was worried about telling his wife:

"Dear hgmc

"Has it occurred to you that she might already sense that something is wrong? She might be worrying about what it could be. The truth might actually be better than what she fears.

"There been a series recently called 'Your money or your wife'. Did you see any of it? Each week a debtor admitted to their partner the scale of their debts and, with their help, started to sort them out. One thing that was noticeable on the programmes was how very kind and supportive the various partners (of both sexes) were in the face of these difficult revelations.

"What can we learn from this that might make telling her not too stressful? Two things.

"1. Have things laid out clearly and a good intention to take prompt action to sort things from now on...

"2. Pick a good time and ask her for a proper sit down meeting about something that is worrying you...For example, you could get up on a Sunday morning and make the kitchen and sitting room clean and tidy (this will prepare the ground - she'll know something is up!) cook her a nice breakfast, and then with you both rested and fed, ask for help. Or something along those lines.

"These are just some ideas I am putting forward for you to consider, and you will decide whether they are useful in your circumstances."

Read the whole discussion and find out what happened when hgmc told his wife in struggling and getting worse.

You can read more on telling your family:

  • It's not fun telling your family, but Smudge0973 bit the bullet in FAO Smudge0973. StrawberrySundae tells her husband: Debts are now out of control.
  • topboy100 felt awful about telling his pregnant wife about £59k of gambling debts and was sure she would leave him. Indeed, it did rock the relationship. However, after a few days and a good cry, his wife gave him a chance, and they discussed how they could sort out the finances together. Read this post from Is this the end?
  • Sassybird writes about why she wishes her husband had been as forthcoming about his debts in the same discussion: Is this the end?

Should I get a consolidation loan?

Old Fool research found that 5/6 people who consolidate debt go on to rack up more. (Admittedly it was a small survey, but other research has found similar results.) The Consumer Credit Counselling Service reckons that just 3% of people with debt issues should consolidate. Raven111 wrote about her experiences consolidating debt:

"I should be the poster girl for why you should never consolidate, and heres why:

"(Gulp!)

"In early 2002 after I had finished Uni, I took out a consolidation loan for £8,000. This was to pay off the majority of my credit cards and overdraft. However, having been a poor student, I thought I deserved a little treat or rather, lots of treats, so I paid off about £7500 and blew the rest. Then I thought that I should keep my credit cards for emergencies. Would anyone like to guess what I did next?

"Why of course I started using my nice clear credit cards.

"Fast forward a year and a half to the summer of 2003. By now, I had my loan and all my credit cards, so decided it would be just the best idea ever to consolidate again. So this time I got a loan for £15,000 which included the outstanding original loan, but was not enough to cover all my cards, but it was the most I could get. So by now I have about £20k of loans and credit cards, plus my overdraft and student loans.

"Guess what happened next? After not cancelling my cards once again, having not at all learned my lesson the last time I went shopping again.

"Fast forward to January 2005.

"I decided to take out yet another loan to consolidate all my credit cards, but again it was not enough, so my nearly cleared credit cards and I went to the shops just as before (will this girl never learn I hear you ask?)

"Here we are in June.

"I now have 2 loans, 2 credit cards, an overdraft and my student loans, totalling over £50k of debt, and finally, FINALLY, I have had my lightbulb moment.

"I used to read all the stories of people consolidating their debts, and then running them up again, and laugh at their stupidity. How could people be so stupid!

"I'm not laughing now.

"Raven"

Read the discussion this message prompted: Why you should not consolidate.

For another discussion from the community, read this post, described as compulsory reading by regular poster and superstar Manzanilla: Consolidation Loans.

Read more discussions on these loans in Consolidation Loan? Good idea and loan or transfer to new card?

Despite all this, consolidation loans are sometimes the right solution. If you want independent and friendly guidance on what is the best solution for you, ask for assistance from the experts, debtors and former debtors in our Dealing with Debt community.

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TMFSara 05 Dec 2007, 3:39pm

this is really helpful neil -- the community is a top resource and it's nice to see them getting some of the promotion they deserve.

TMFLena 05 Dec 2007, 5:09pm

Scary and inspiring, yakes!

silverfox007 08 Dec 2007, 5:13pm

hi couldnt belive it thought I was alone morelike me morgage then took advancement
then took second loan on property job
well promises of bonus and nothing came forth
credit cards got behind and pesterin not mega but damned annoying got better paid job paid for what I work !!!! though Having to travel keping head above water tho with debt only way out to sell the right way or cosilidate
cards taking approx 8k not mega though just paying morgages if we sell we cant clear al though takes a head ache away

bluegirl47 30 Dec 2007, 11:50pm

Phew what a relief to find this site!
I too was terrified of telling my partner of the extent of my debts (£40,000+) I've always been secretive about my financial affairs & carried on as though everything was OK.
I felt I had reached the point of no return, I thought about running away to become a new age traveller (& worse!!!)as I was so ashamed of the position I had got myself in.
I eventually plucked up the courage and told my partner on Christmas day and the response was really, really positive.
Now we are facing MY debt together, next comes a SOA and then we tackle the creditors together!!
The relief has been enormous and I've actually had a good night's sleep for the first time in ages.
From reading this site I know things won't be easy but my advice to others in this situation is don't be an ostrich as I have been for the past twelve months. It really helps to talk.

Trixie20 01 Jan 2008, 8:48am

Am severly in debt cards, loans etc through illness, but far more pressing is I am being taken to court later this month to disconnect my gas and electricity - I owe £2500. I don't know why they never took through direct debit as instructed when switched. But hospital stays mean this has escalated - went to CAB August and they wrote to all debtors. But now they can't help me twice. I have no equity/savings anyone any idea please help.

suesi1 01 Jan 2008, 10:34am

Hi everyone, i am in serious debt and have an account with payplan paying less than minimum payments to my creditors,We have sold our house and moved just before xmas we have £5000 left, we owe £55,000 in total, now we have moved into rented and the rent is less than the mortgage from my previous house so we have approx £400 left each month to pay our creditors, Do you think an IVA would be possible with this amount and should i declare the £5000 as we have no other money at all for the "rainy day"? Any advice would be greatly appreciated Roxy

AngSte 03 Jan 2008, 12:56pm

Can you write in English?

pedro1961 03 Jan 2008, 1:51pm

Currently awaiting settlement of ancilliary relief with my wife (not divorced yet over 2 years seperated) but she is financially ok and has a new partner in the former marital home. I have racked up some debt since moving out (new furniture etc to furnish a flat) and have some existing debt from the relationship approx 5k, but only a small part of my overall debt approx 22k. I used a conslidation loan to cover the flat expenses and the exisiting joint debt 10k in total, we have properties which we can share and this will allow me to buy another house (now sharing with a mate)and pay off my own debt that has built up. My problem is its getting worse and i am now getting charges for being over my overdraft limit slightly each month, especially from xmas.I wonder if anyone has any ideas on how i can reduce the credit card debts i have racked up personally and the CSA now want money i do not have £284 per month. Wifes new partner has lived in the former marital home for over 6 months so should he contribute to the household(i am told he isnt)which would affect the amount my wife claims in benefits? I believe she will declare all once we have settled but that may have cost me my credit rating and any chance of a new mortgage on my own by then. Long winded but any views appreciated.

TMFVertigo 07 Jan 2008, 9:39am

AngSte - be nice!

TMFVertigo 07 Jan 2008, 9:40am

If you've posted a message above asking for help, I strongly suggest you visit the Dealing with Debt discussion board and ask again there: http://boards.fool.co.uk/Messages.asp?bid=50079

Neil Faulkner, Writer

nunu111 07 Jan 2008, 7:28pm

I was really sad reading this.. I myself have numerous debts. Lets face it these days who doesnt.. My husband has been on about moving to rented accommodation but with having children iam worried that whatever we rented they may move us on after so long. What if they want to sell there house? I know they have to give you a number of months notice but it isnt good shipping kids to different houses is it.. Or am i wrong? Do they let you stay in the house as long as you would like? Our mortgage is high and quite often i am sick of the back teeth of it. We both work hard and seem to get no where. However if i came from another country i would probably get help and benefits to pay for luxuries. How are you finding renting the property. Has it made a big difference to your life not having a mortgage to pay as high now? Thanks for your letter and letting people know they arnt alone out there. Cheers

catsjoni 21 Jan 2008, 3:54pm

Hi, I recentley took advice from this site, and contacted my credit card company regarding my debt. I was told I would go onto a payment plan and offered £50 per month which was accepted. I received a statement today (the £50 was deducted), but I had a late payment fee and was told to pay the rest of the payment immediately. I contacted them straight away and was told they now want £71.30 a month. If I pay the latter I can stay on a payment plan for up to 10 years, if I only pay the £50 then after six months they will sell the debt on, as I was told by them that legally they can only keep the debt for so long. I told them I was frightened by this it seemed like a threat to me, and offered to pay the £72.30. Was I right to do this?

womanofmeans 09 Sep 2008, 12:26pm

All of the advice is very sensible and I would follow it myself but unfortunately I have never fallen within the remit of the debt relief agencies, as an agency temp on a non-fixed income, and now as a recipient of SSP and a small amount of private sick pay, all of which will stop at some time in the near future, when this happens I have to apply for Income Support or Incapacity Benefit and whilst waiting for this, will have to accrue further debts in order to feed myself and pay rent and council tax, watar rates gas and electric, and telephone, no luxuries there, just keeping body and soul together. Some of us just fail to qualify for anything and so are forced to use our credit cards in order to avoid loss of utilities, starvation and ultimately homelessness. Its a problem to which there is no apparent answer, unless anyone can tell me of a solution to this.

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