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Published in Money Saving Tips on 21 November 2006

Utility companies adjust direct debits in winter and summer, but this sometimes amounts to an interest-free loan from us little guys. You don't have to take this!

It's not unreasonable for utility companies to charge more in winter and less in summer, or even to try to average it out. Neither practice is unusual. However, I've received a few emails about unfair seasonal increases to people's gas and electricity direct debits, which means there are probably a lot more people out there who have the same problem every winter.

One lady was told that, despite being in credit, her direct debit would go up from £35 to £98 per month over winter. That's a 180% increase. You have to wonder how fair it is that the utility providers take it upon themselves to predict your usage. A Foolish discussion-board user says of his seasonal hike that it: "Was not justified BECAUSE I AM ON A FIXED RATE DEAL". Now you have to wonder whether these are deliberate tactics or merely incompetence.

OK, I'll come clean. The lady I mentioned is my lawyer-mother. In case you're having similar problems, here's how she sorted it out.

She wrote to them saying that she was in credit and that she did not give them authorisation to increase the direct debits. They called her up ('bully tactics' she called it) to say that if she did not agree then they would move her onto a different tariff. They asked her to send them a meter reading. She told them to put it all in writing, which they did.

She sent the meter reading by email, stating: 'I am not in arrears and you do not have my authority to increase my direct-debit payments. You are not in a better position than me to estimate how much gas and electricity I am going to be using over the next 6 months.

'I would be grateful if you would now confirm that my direct debits and tariffs remain the same.' She asked for her email to be referred to the complaints department.

From the Customer Care department she received an email apology, a retraction and an agreement that she would continue to pay £35 a month. Interestingly, the Customer Care rep's excuse was that the direct debit option was to 'spread the cost of energy over the year by averaging out the cost of this'. If £98 per month is now the average bill, they're saying they expect her usage to cost £1,176 next year, significantly more than the £375 it cost this year!

It didn't end there though. The next day she received a letter saying that her direct debit would go up to £43. She emailed them back immediately: 'You are an energy provider, not a bank that makes a profit by borrowing interest-free from each of its clients.Keep to your agreement'.

Maybe it was all just silly errors. And it does all balance out in the end, when adjustments are made, but huge hikes make it harder to budget, and this money should be in your bank accruing interest. The moral is, if you're in credit - resist the seasonal increase!

So it's all very simple. But make sure you do it in writing, as the discussion-board user I mentioned sorted it out over the phone, but was still billed an extra 20%.

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Saintmungo 10 Dec 2008 , 1:52pm

While I don't want to defend the energy companies, I believe that this problem is caused by simple incompetance and crap systems. I have had several disagreements with EDF, however if I can get through on the phone I have had no problem in getting my DD set at what I want it to be, usually coupled from an apology from the person. The motto is to keep a running 12 month period soi that you know what your average usage is, and then you have info to hit them with.

mraveragenoway 10 Dec 2008 , 2:23pm

In all fairness to my energy provider Npower I have been in credit twice this year & on both occassions they have offered to refund the surplus & reduce my monthly DD to £10 a month YES!!! you read correctly £10. Because I was in credit by just over £200 after receiving my annual bonus of £85.00, thank you Npower which will be used to fund my next bill. But one part of the latest bill that I did find slightly unfair was the the way the new increases have been estimated for my gas consumption over the last summer period since like most consumers who may have an electric cook & water heater. I did not use any gas but was still charged the new price on their estimated part of the bill. So can anyone explain the reason for this money spinner.

witchnell 10 Dec 2008 , 3:01pm

i have just had my electric statement from southern energy,they wanted to increase my monthly payment from £35 a month to £121 a month ,i rang them and they said the increase was to cover next years bills,i told them i could not afford that amount a month,as my husband and myself are now retired pensioners on dissability benefits,and if they insisted on charging this amount we would move to another company,they imediately agreed to keep the monthly payment at £35,they were assuming our electric would increase from £450 a year to £1,452 a year a massive increase of £1,002,after my call they said they would send me some forms to see if we qualify for pensioners rates,how about that then? it just shows you should never take things on face value,always check things out first.

benniesmum 10 Dec 2008 , 3:06pm

My supplier E.ON tried this earlier this year and tried to put my DD payments by over 20% as I was negative at the time of my bill. I checked my account and pointed out that the timing of the quarterly bill only included 2 DD payments not 3, so I was actually slightly in credit. The 'girl' I spoke to said she had to change the DD, so we agreed she could increase it by £1.

This did prompt me to buy an energy meter though, so hopefully I can cut my usage sufficiently for the bills not to go up next year. Even with the latest price increases.

MIchaelGlancy 10 Dec 2008 , 3:09pm

I have an ongoing saga at the moment regarding my electricity supply.
We had a huge electricity bill lats year. In fact it came to over £1000 for the six month winter period here in northern scotland.
Since they put our DD up to £167, I have been keeping a really sharp eye on the bills and our usage. Unfortunately I am now quite used to taking an electricity meter reading twice a day.
Our electricity company (Scottish Hydro) made their first price hike halfway through the second quarter this year. They charged us the increased rate for the whole quarter. I got on to them and they apologised and charged me the whole quarter at the lower rate (pre-increase). Saved me £41.
Since then I have learned that I am on a tarif called Total Heat Total Control (THTC). This is anything but. We have a separate meter for heating, charged at a lower rate. Somebody in PERTH decides when to switch on our heating and when to switch it off - yes, our heating is controlled by someone over 100 miles away. Since I have been taking meter readings, I have been swithing off the heating supply during the day as we are out at work. If I dont, the usage jumps from about 20 units a day to over 40-48 units a day. Why they want to heat the house while we are out is beyond me. Also, whenever I do turn the heating off, there is absolutely no difference in the heat in the house whatsoever compared to when I leave it on.
Since I have been taking these readings and controlling the heating; the last bill they sent me was an estimate, and the estime was sky high. The actual meter reading for the end of the quarter was 861 units less than their estimate (for heating) and for the normal tarif meter, the actual reading was lower than the final estimate for the bill for LAST quarter.

The answer for me just now is to stay absolutely on top of the electricity company and the meter readings. Also, I checked through this site and found that if I change company I could save £700 per year. The thing is I am so engrossed in the detail Iwont change till I know exactly what im getting myself in for.

sorry if its turned into a rant. If anyone can offer advice, Id be gratefull (not about the rant, about the electricity)

Michael

MIchaelGlancy 10 Dec 2008 , 3:14pm

benniesmum

whats an energy meter ?

gratefool fool
Michael

jerryjw 10 Dec 2008 , 3:18pm

I have had this when they told me they were moving me from £40 to £107 even with a £41.83 credit in hand.

All I managed on my first phone call was a reduction to £94 since I could not find my old bills to prove my consumption and was given all the justification excuses, and more, that have been mentioned.

When I phoned again, with the consumption figures, they said there was noting they could/would do and that they were using the figures they had and my bill data was not relevant.

I have made two complaints now using their system and now, some six weeks later, have still heard nothing.

Be also aware people that they have, in my case decided to invent a fictitious date and meter reading to increase my gas price from on my last bill. I thought that increases could only be made against a 'live' reading and that is one of the answers I wait upon.

I HAVE fixed some of this by stopping my Direct Debit, which I was really unaware of gave British Gas the ability to do what they liked without myself having any ability to put a cap in place.

I will also save the 'loss' of my DD discount by moving to another supplier and estimate I will still be some £150 PA better off; and British Gas can rot in hell as far as I am concerned for their arrogance and total lack of customer care.

MIchaelGlancy 10 Dec 2008 , 3:22pm

When I phoned SH, I asked for copies of bills for periods I had lost the originals.

They sent them, one at a time

foolish
Michael

caesarganz 10 Dec 2008 , 3:34pm

NEVER EVER assume that the statement from your bank or utility company is correct and unquestionable. Listen to this: I received a statement from Southern Electic indicating that I was in credit to the tune of £180. Wow, I thought! Keep £30 and send me a cheque for the £150 balance. I spent the 150 and soon received another letter indicating that the previous info was not correct. I checked the original statement and discovered that for the quarter in question, I had used a MINUS number of units. I was so pleased with the credit amount that I hadn't checked the figures.

I wrote a series of letters to their customer relations dept, expecting some good will gesture, but alas, the greedy so and sos didn't even apologise. Needless to say, I've been playing catch-up ever since.

Triassic 10 Dec 2008 , 3:46pm

I'm with Scottish Power and when I moved 2 1/2 years ago I informed them of the move and they wrote saying I was in credit to the tune of £114. A couple of weeks ago I received a rather curt phone call from a debt collection agency asking for an outstanding 2 1/2 years old bill of £114 to the paid, or court precedings would follow. Clearly you do have to keep an eye on these companies because they don't even know the difference between a debit and a credit!!

andrewbeaumont 10 Dec 2008 , 4:03pm

My recommendation to those that can is to move to Quarterly payment in Arrears paid by Direct Debit. This can usually be done without changing companies (if you don't wish to).

The advantage of this approach is that you only pay for EXACTLY the number of units that you use, provided that you give them a meter reading either a few days before the bill is due to be calculated or as soon as the estimated bill hits the doormat.

By doing this I have stopped giving my energy companies interest free loans through the summer and have prevented much of the confusion and jiggery-pokery that goes on around payments.

Do it, you may find the 'Annual Budget Tariff' that you are on isn't designed to benefit you, it is designed to benefit your energy company.

MIchaelGlancy 10 Dec 2008 , 5:40pm

I wonder how many thousands of people didnt notice that Scottish Hydro charged the increased rate for a whole quarter when half the quarter should have been charged at the lower rate.

Is there an ombudsman or regulatory body for electric companies because Ive just decided I'm going to check.

lowly fool
Michael

MIchaelGlancy 10 Dec 2008 , 5:41pm

I wonder foolishly, if all the utility companies have done this.

TerenceFreedman 10 Dec 2008 , 5:51pm

I have no truck with the VADD payments and little grief therefore. If I receive an estimated bill for a rather larger consumption than actual, I merely (!) phone, give my reading and the new bill arrives promptly.

SimonHardy0 10 Dec 2008 , 11:41pm

Ok Neil this may be a 2 year old article but in all fairness I feel that of is very one sided and based on an individual circumstance - I reckon the full truth was not revealed in this article in order to sensationalize it's nature. In all my many years with various utility companies, whether in debit or credit has something like this happened. If u keep your bills and can therefore demonstrate your usage (which the campanies obviously will have on file anyway) then surely this cannot be pushed through.

grumpylady 11 Dec 2008 , 9:57pm

I have been very loyal, but have finally changed my energy providers. After 12 months of quarterly phone calls to the "BANK" EON and British Gas to keep my direct debit payments at a sensible levels (I have very exact 8 years of records for my consumption) Both companies,who each time, a few weeks after agreeing with me to a reduction of their outlandish increased DD requests, sent out yet another increase letter as if I had not made the effort to contact them. Glad they drove me to change, I will save a fortune with my new providers. Thanks EON and Britsh Gas for your distain to your loyal customer.

moneymatters08 22 Dec 2008 , 3:28pm

After reading this article I got on to my energy supplier (Scottish Power's Union Energy Scheme) which I have been on for some years. I told them that despite being in credit by some £135 my DD had still been increased and that I needed to be on a better tarrif if one was available. I was advised to swap to there own discounted energy package as it would save me approx £180 per year at current rates. so I agreed. A week or so later my DD amount went up from £113.50 to £115.50. I rang to ask where they had saved me £180 as by my calculations a DD payment of £100 would cover the current rate minus the saving I was told I would make. They confirmed this actually it shoud have been £98.50 but that given the readings I had just supplied the figure of £109 I was quoted to "keep my payments in line" was correct. I told them that they were not entitled to take money from me in advance for energy I had not yet used at a rate that I did not agree to. It took me 25 mins and being passed on to customers services (who I virtually had to shout at and bully to make them understand) before they agreed to set the DD to £100 until the next quarterly review in April.
I believe they only agreed to this as I had told them that if they did not set this amount I would move suppliers, or change to standing order payments.
Someone at our toothless watchdog friends needs to wake up to these shoddy practices and teach the power companies how to treat customers. After all it's not up to me as a regularly paying customer to make up for the shortfall caused by others being in arrears.

Debdiamond 23 Dec 2008 , 10:00am

I just had this problem with NPower. They increased my monthly dd from £83 to £170 without informing me. This left me short of money for December. I phoned to ask for a refund as I am £200+ in credit and was told that this would be adjusted when the next meter reading took place. I told them I would move to another supplier and they really weren't bothered by that either - until they got notification from the company a couple of days later! Then I got 4 phone calls in one day trying to get me to stay with them. When I refused they spent several minutes telling me how bad the new company is and that they charge more than most other companies (which according to the comparison websites is not true).

Perhaps, NPower along with other companies who try this trick need to realise that it really annoys their customers, who then quickly become EX customers.

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