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Published in Company Comment on 8 September 2006

Don't let fraudsters get their hands on your money by avoiding these latest share scams.

Where there is money fraudsters will somehow find a way to get their hands on it. Last week, this article looked at the way that scammers use the Internet to perpetrate an insidious form of pump-and-dump fraud via emails. Essentially, con artists pump up the price of a chosen share by despatching millions of emails indiscriminately in the hope that some recipients will buy the shares. Then they dump the shares and reap a handsome profit in the process.

Now, fraudsters have added a new twist to their spam scam. They are so convinced of their pump-and-dump scheme that they are now offering their services to companies to help boost their share prices for a fee. This new form of fraud was uncovered by Sophos, which helps companies protect their email servers.

It seems that fraudsters have told companies that they can improve their share price by up to 250% in just a matter of weeks. Additionally, companies don't have to pay anything in advance. According to emails intercepted by Sophos, the fraudsters will only ask for payment once the share price has risen and the volume of shares traded has increased. But the resourcefulness of the fraudsters doesn't stop there. The scammers said they can also provide potential investors with advance warning of companies that will be "pumped".

And just when you though it couldn't get any worse -- it does. Sophos has uncovered a pump-and-dump campaign in which scammers use animated graphics to display a subliminal message to potential investors.

The way this works is that subliminal messages that only last a fraction of a second are embedded in emails and websites. These messages may contain a "BUY" command that is unlikely to be detected by the conscious brain, though it may be registered by the subconscious mind. The idea is that it may subconsciously influence you to buy a share that you may not otherwise have considered.

Thing is, there is no evidence that subliminal advertising works. Market researcher James Vicary claimed in 1957 that he successfully boosted the sales of Coca-Cola and popcorn in cinemas by flashing up subliminal images during a movie. But five years later he admitted that it was a fabrication.

While subliminal advertising is an interesting topic, its effectiveness is perhaps a matter for psychologists to decide. But as far as private investors are concerned, investing on a whim is never a good idea. There is no substitute for in depth research, and the only way to that is to sit down and study the fundamentals of the business thoroughly.

And as far as pump-and-dump is concerned, it goes without saying that if something is too good to be true - it probably is.

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2008spacecowboy 04 May 2008 , 1:37pm

I have recently invested into what I now believe to be a scam. I was contacted by telephone out of the blue and told it was just a keep you up to date call from a company called Oanna spain. Then came the sting, with an opportunity to buy shares in a solar project in spain. I have since done a bit of homework and do not feel confortable with what I have learned. I am sure I am not the only person who feels as I do or had this happen. Since investing, I only ever get calls from them to try and get me to invest more, any comments would be appreciated.

oannavictim 10 Sep 2008 , 9:05pm

Hello, you can forget your investment. Fortunaland, Euroland, Soy Y Nieve, Oanna etc. are selling hot air. The projects they sell do not exisist and the land investments they offer are worthless. You shut infom the FSA and go to the Police.

oannavictim 10 Sep 2008 , 10:07pm

BPA BlueSkies Limited
72 New Bond Street,
LONDON,
W1S 1RR, U.K

Is the next of their companies they use for unreal deals! The land is worthless again!!!! Be careful!!!! Do not invest and inform the police.

oannavictim 10 Sep 2008 , 10:08pm

All investors(VIKTIMS) shut inform the FSA:

The Financial Services Authority
25 The North Colonnade
Canary Wharf
London
England
E14 5HS

Dirección General de Seguros y Fondos de Pensiones
Paseo de la Castellana, 44
28046 Madrid
Teléfono: 91 339 70 00
Fax: 91 339 71 13

* Wertpapieraufsicht / Asset-Management

Lurgiallee 12
60439 Frankfurt

Postfach 50 01 54
60391 Frankfurt

Fon: 0228 / 4108 - 0
Fax: 0228 / 4108 - 123

oannavictim 07 Nov 2008 , 3:47pm

IMPORTANT: Today Friday 7th of November 2008 the responsible persons behind OANNA, FORTUNALAND etc. T. James A. Sathasivan and Emboulas Daniele Marie Andree did disappear and left the office in Fuengirola with all investors informations.

oannavictim 07 Nov 2008 , 3:59pm

The following police stations are investigating against the people behind OANNA and FORTUNALAND:

COMISARÍA DE POLICÍA DE FUENGIROLA
Avda. Condes de San Isidro, 98
E-29640 - Fuengirola
Málaga)
Spain
Tel.: +34952197090
Fax: +34952198351

Landeskriminalamt Mecklenburg-Vorpommern
Retgendorfer Straße 9
D-19067 Rampe
Germany
Telefon: +49-3866640
Fax: +493866-649004

oannavictim 08 Nov 2008 , 6:27pm

Hello,

because this criminals are crossing borders and are active in different countries the following organisations are also active now in the case of FORTUNALAND, OANNA, MCAT, etc.

EUROJUST
Maanweg 174
2516 AB Den Haag
NIEDERLANDE
Telefon: + 31 (0) 70 412 50 00
Fax: + 31 (0) 70 412 55 55

Europol
Raamweg 47
The Hague,
The Netherlands
Fax +31 70 345 5896

More than 1000 investors did loose their money. All shut stay together and share information`s and costs.

oannavictim1000 09 Nov 2008 , 8:19am

hi
they are active in dubai,srilanka,and france (lyon)where DANIELE EMBOULAS is from and her two sons are studing,also the uk where T. JAMES. A. SATHASIVAM has his family and his partner ATUL SHARMA is based who is also involved,and i belive they own houses here in spain,recently they made a visit to srilanka,australia and dubai.
will post any info that might be helpful good luck

oannavictim 09 Nov 2008 , 5:21pm

Hello,

I have read that they open another "BOILER ROOM" in Spain and/or France. The 3 bosses took the best of their team (COMPLIANCE, MARKETING, NETWORK ADMINISTRATION, SENIOR "BROKERS")and did start again. So we will hear their names and companies very quick again. One of the bosses is a chartered accountant. Not to believe! So all victims shut also inform the Institute of chartered accountants.
ICAEW Directory
Waterlow Professional Publishing
Paulton House
8 Shepherdess Walk
London N1 7LB
Tel:0207 566 8200
Fax: 0207253 1308

oannavictim 09 Nov 2008 , 6:41pm

Hello,

all investors and victims of OANNA, EUROLAND, MCAT, FORTUNALAND etc. are invited to join the new group under:

http://oannaxfortunaland.multiply.com/

We will join all informations and will coordinate international legal actions.

pippoz77 10 Nov 2008 , 9:47am

Hi Oannavictim,

could you please advise why nothing is posted on the http://oannaxfortunaland.multiply.com/ ?

I've been there and registered but there's no "sign of life":-)

Please let me know as I am willing to share efforts to take those individuals to accountability.

regards

pippoz77 10 Nov 2008 , 11:26am

PS: is the oanna HQ in UK still open?

oannavictim 10 Nov 2008 , 12:41pm

Hello,

there is now first content on the web.

The offices are closed. They ran away.

oannavictim 10 Nov 2008 , 2:01pm

contact@oannaxfortunaland.multiply.com

wasifoolish 11 Nov 2008 , 8:10pm

I sadly am an investor,and received a phone call today from a company who told me oanna had gone into liquidation,and his company are wanting to try to recover funds for us from some european compensation fund.He is ringing back on thursday,but I have read somewhere that this may be another type of scam.This company have only been in existence since August and are based in Lancashire.Can I trust them?
I agree that we should all pool resources to deal with this.Has anyone got any bright ideas on how to get all investors communicating with each other?

wasifoolish 11 Nov 2008 , 8:54pm

Ok, sorry! now I get it! That is a website where we can all join together and communicate, but nothing shows until you actually join ?
Thanks, Oannavictim!

oannavictim 12 Nov 2008 , 12:41am

Hi wasifoolish,

please be very careful! How could they come to your contact details? I am sure this is another criminal action to steal your money either by invoicing a fee for not really existing services or commission for other unreal things.
Please inform all other investors in detail what you have been offered, who the acting people are, names, addresses telephone numbers etc. Together we get them!

beaummic 12 Nov 2008 , 2:05pm

Me too.These people say they were contacted by the fraud squad to 'help us' but (can you believe it)they could not give me the fraud squad number.Hang on to whats left of your hard earned.

arshadchaudhry 13 Nov 2008 , 4:12pm

I’ve been communicating with a group of 13 investors in Fortuna over the past few months concerned about the security of their investment.
I have heard that Fortuna, possibly trading as Ohanna have closed their Spanish operations. This is clearly a serious cause of concern and we MUST now take appropriate action. I am happy to coordinate any action we take. Joint action will be appropriate and most effective.
My suggested course of action now:
• Confirmation from each of you that you are investors in Fortuna/Ohanna
• Confirmation that you wish to be part of a joint action
• Sharing of the knowledge that each has about Fortuna/Ohanna and the individuals involved
• Agreement on approaching appropriate authorities in Spain, Cyprus and the UK
• Agreement on appointing legal advisors to proceed and to share the costs. We can join any other groups undertaking the same action.
Good luck and best wishes

arshadchaudhry 13 Nov 2008 , 4:17pm

I have met both James Savasitham & Daniele. James has connections in London and I’m also aware of his partner Atul here in London. Daniele is the French wife of Jerome Andre the Sri Lankan who ran the show until last year summer. The police, Interpol needs to be involved, this is a big scam.
We can get'em!

phil1964 13 Nov 2008 , 4:22pm

I invested a large sum of money back in 2003-2004
in one of fortuna estates projects and know of another two people who did the same. Have thought for a long time that something was wrong since being notified of the first change of name to fortunland but was unable to get any money out. I too have been contacted by European Mediation Ltd and they are asking for a 10% of investment fee upfront and a further 8% on the back end if successful. As if we haven't lost enough already!Is there really anything we can do to bring these people to justice?

snc100 14 Nov 2008 , 7:57pm

European Mediation also contacted me. They were very convincing but demanded 10% up front so I told them to get lost. I told them I wanted a no fold no fee arrangement and i'd be prepared to give 15% payment after retrieving my investment. Surprise surprise they weren't interested by that attractive offer.

I'd be happy to sign up to any group undertaking. However, i'm only interested in retrieving my investment. Sending the perpetrators of this scam to prison is irrelevant to me. I'm only interested in the money. If my considerable investment is gone and I have no hope of getting it back i'd rather know now and try to put this episode behind me as an expensive lesson learned.

Thats the crux. There is land in Spain that we own. As a group can we appoint somebody to take responsibility for selling it, even cheaply, so we can at least recoup some of our investment.....or perhaps thats pie in the sky. If anyone has suggestions or more info please enlighten me.

goldcard047 17 Nov 2008 , 6:06pm

I have invested in two of Fortuna Land's projects and also in MCAT. So Oannavictim, are you saying that MCAT is a scam as well?

bolnuevo 18 Nov 2008 , 8:53am

Hi everyone. I am investor with Fortuna Estates with interests in Brella Fortuna, Cazadores Reales and Mira Montana.

I had a call yesterday European Mediation regarding Oanna liquidation. Needless to say I was shocked not only by the statements but at how this company could have the information.

I believe Directors (which ones?) have sold database and this company is trying to gain a fee for claimed recovery service. They are phoning back and I have a test for them but believe it to be a scam also.

I agree that all investors should "pool resources" since we have title deeds to land, the value of which is questionable but needs establishing. Indeed there may be potential developments that are viable.

I also found a phone number to ring on another website which was answered by a "messenger" who promised to pass on details to the Directors who, he said, would explain how to recover some of the money invested. Part of the Eoropean Mediation scam or possibly how to sell the land? He also claimed that the Oanna offices had been broken into and also the Directors were kidnapped and had to escape the country!!!! Pinch of salt required or at least some strong coffee.

Watch this space.

snc100 18 Nov 2008 , 1:31pm

James Sathisziau: 00447971824789

xda101 18 Nov 2008 , 2:38pm

I'm also a fooled investor in Fortuna. I bought a share in Siera Fortuna around 4 years back. I too was contacted by European Mediation by someone called Jordan Adams yesterday. Bells started ringing when he gave me details of my investment. Despite asking him a few times as to how they get involved and where did he get my details, I didn't get a convincing answer. He gave me the website details and asked if he can call me on Thursday but, he called me back this morning again - although I missed his call.
*************
I also believe that we should get together and try do something collectively. Has anyone tried to contact any European solicitors or watch dog?
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goldcard047 18 Nov 2008 , 6:01pm

Be EXTREMELY WARY of any dealings you may be considering with European Mediation Limited.

I had a call from them today. I asked how long they had been in business as their website was only recently registered. "Oh yes" said the girl I was talking to (didn't get her name unfortunately)"it's a new website but we have been in business for about five and a half years".

No they havent!

Details from Companies House below:-

Name & Registered Office:
EUROPEAN MEDIATION LIMITED
JAGUAR HOUSE 6 HARTHILL STREET
MANCHESTER
M8 8AG
Company No. 06669400

Status: Active
Date of Incorporation: 11/08/2008

Country of Origin: United Kingdom

Company Type: Private Limited Company
Nature of Business (SIC(03)):
None Supplied

Accounting Reference Date: 31/08
Last Accounts Made Up To: (NO ACCOUNTS FILED)
Next Accounts Due: 11/05/2010
Last Return Made Up To:
Next Return Due: 08/09/2009

She also told me that it was 'virtually guaranteed' that my money would be refunded by something called the "European Compensation Fund", I have tried Googling this so called fund and came up with nothing apart from a European Compensation Fund for Oil Pollution. Hardly what we need I feel!

zsexdr 18 Nov 2008 , 8:37pm

Forgot to mention, Oanna told me back then that E.M.Group were a group of cowboys who register companies and rent posh offices just for the duration of the scam. Please do not part with any more money or pay up front fees to these people.
Lets all get together and physically do something between us

goldcard047 19 Nov 2008 , 10:21am

This press release was put up on the Oanna Group's website on 16th November 2008

http://oannagroup.com/pdfs/oanna-pressrelease.pdf

fortunamug 19 Nov 2008 , 3:00pm

Hi everyone ,a fellow mug here.Seems appropriate I'm posting on a website called "fool".I don't know what stings the most,being taken for a mug or losing the money.Haven't been contacted by European Mediation,but I wouldn't touch them with a bargepole.So a corner of a Spanish desert is forever England.
Just wanted to come on here to comiserate with fellow victims-I feel so ashamed of myself.

DA60 19 Nov 2008 , 5:50pm

I have also invested in Siera Fortuna and i also have been contacted by European Mediation, Mr Jordan Adams. Initially he claimed he was a lawyer and then the next phone call he changed to legal assistant. He wants 10% for legal fees and then 7/8% once they recover the money. Claims he has signed a lot of people on and was very keen to sign me. He had all the details of who i had spoken to at Siera, when payment was made and etc. Sounded convincing. If we are to get any money back we need to get someone who knows the legal system in Spain who will work for the many people who have invested there. They need to work on a no recovery no fee agreement. I am willing to give 15/20% of what is recovered. This is the only way that we have any chance of anything recovered.

fortunamug 19 Nov 2008 , 7:05pm

I'd agree with most of your post ,Da6o,but I worry that any recoverable money has been salted away very carefully-how much will anyone recover?Certainly we need to act as one,with a Spanish-based lawyer we can trust.I'd be prepared to pay the same per cent,but only on the strength of results,not as an up-front payment.

snc100 19 Nov 2008 , 7:14pm

I'd sign up for that ! I'd be happy to give 20% to anyone who can retrieve my investment.

zsexdr 19 Nov 2008 , 8:30pm

Had some news today on good authority that the net is closing in on all these cowboys. We must all be patient and shelve any fears and for god sake dont part with another penny. European Mediation Co. are con men and have nothing to offer anyone and giving them money will lead to another lengthy process with nothing to show at the end of it.
Fortuna/Oanna never intended to look after investors as they hid under the cloche of all the free money for years in an unregulated arena.They got our money too easily.they are ruthless and cruel BUT NOT FOR LONG MORE. Be patient

rlhugo 19 Nov 2008 , 10:49pm

Hi, Iam another fool who has been parted from his money. If anyone is coordinating this attempt to recover our investments ? (wrong choice of word maybe) then please add me to the list of people willing to pay to run this group of fraudsters to ground.

I first saw this 'opportunity' advertised in Peter Parfait's Hot Property Alert. Does anyone know if we would have any recourse to compensation from this publication for not exercising due care or diligence in regard to the organisations they allowed to advertise in their publication. I assumed that Fortuna Land was a good company because it was advertised in what I thought to be a respectable publication.

Rodney

fortunamug 20 Nov 2008 , 10:27am

Same here.I responded to their ad.in ,of all publications,Private Eye.I hope the fact that they ran their advert will not stop PE examining these scammers.I was also swayed by their Media Today Business Achievement award

skanwal1 20 Nov 2008 , 10:43am

hi guys, another mug who has been contacted by European Mediation, but i took one look at their website and got a bad feeling about them as it looks as an 8year has put it together.
I am also happy to give some percentage away to get my money back..

sunny

bolnuevo 20 Nov 2008 , 11:19am

zsexdr. Can you elaborate on the net tightening?

Has anyone phoned the oanna helpline and been promised a call back? I have spoken with Chritian twice.

I note the Oanna website has now removed all connections with Spain/MCAT but the offices quoted are now vacated. Christian siad they were at 1-2 Riverside London Bridge.

DA60 20 Nov 2008 , 1:48pm

Zsexdr - is it possible for you to elaborate on what you say, as it seems you know more than most of us on what is happening? As matters are still fresh it would be wise to do something quickly rather than later. If anyone knows any decent reputable lawyers in Spain, maybe they can be contacted and ask them about our plight and how best we can do something to attempt to recover any money.

devastated 20 Nov 2008 , 3:33pm

Hi,
I also invested with Fortuna first Bella them Cazadores. We should all have proof of ownership of land,and therefor valid shareholders in a sizable chunk of land Those of you who are more in the know than me, would it not be possible to join together as a sindicate If this is done correctly all maynot be lost. I would certainly be prepared to put up a percentage of my investment for a committee to head the cause. I just dont think we should lay down and die yet We still hqave the land.

bolnuevo 20 Nov 2008 , 3:42pm

devastated echoes my sentiments but I await response from Zsexdr. I have a solicitor in Spain who I could contact once we have definite proof of fraud.

However, there is also still the land and potential development although a feasible development and planning etc means time and money. Todays market in Spain is also an issue and all this possibly led us to the situation now.

I have phoned the Oanna helpline again today and the person answering says he is resigning on Friday because Oanna have misled him also regarding company restructure. All reference to spain on their website has disappeared and the press release refers you to Directors of Fortuna.

Anybody contacted the Fraud office regarding thjis and European Mediation yet?

futureretro 20 Nov 2008 , 8:48pm

Fortunaland/Oannagroup victim,
I was informed from a representative from European Mediation Ltd that Oannagroup was a scam. Went to the
group site mentioned here but nothing appears posted.
Who/What can one trust? Today magazine gave fortuna the business achievement award.Hot Property Alert said it was a key investment opportunity.
Is their a joint action group?

zsexdr 20 Nov 2008 , 9:50pm

It would appear that Oannagroup (big time gangsters) were installed in the Fortuna offices in spain to keep the show on the road and squeeze more money out of naive investors. They put up a great battle to defend honour,integrity and human decency and had us all breathe a sigh of relief for a while. I personally know the person/part time journalist who wrote up a glowing report on this investment with fortuna, initially, which was published in Hot Property Alert. This article attracted great attention and huge sums of money poured into fortuna from Ireland,U.K and Japan.It is now debatable if there was ever any planning permission sought but one thing is for sure that these perpetrators are under the rador screen and from what I'm told,they have a choice..to take care of their investors and return our money or they will not be able to put their limbs on the earth again. Remember none of these companies were regulated and us individual investors had no knowledge of how they ran this land business. for this reason I think that engaging a Spanish lawyer,or any lawyer would be futile. We must,however,stick together and claim this land in Spain,even though it may be worthless.Do not pay a dime to anyone in this regard and dont listen to any of the sob stories from the Oanna UK offices. They knew what they were getting into and were part of the scam.I am hopeful of a satisfactory
conclusion though and trust that everything will work out for all of us.

bolnuevo 21 Nov 2008 , 8:40am

zsexdr comments are of some comfort but the means appear somewhat unorthodox and I am therefore not sure how money will be returned and to what entity(ies). I would love to know what action is underway and by whom and when there is to be a likely outcome. Can zsexdr hint at this for us?

Otherwise some collective action is required.

As I understand it we all have deeds to land put=rchased by Fortunaland/FortunaEstates (albeit likely to be of much less value than paid for) so there ought to be a balance of money which has been either used for operating costs or stolen.

Not clear what money is left but it would be very gratifiying to get original investment back although I suspect this is unlikley.

zsexdr 21 Nov 2008 , 10:19am

Have been receiving lots of calls from European Mediation Ltd with pathetic answers to my many questions.
In the meantime we must work through every avenue and by this I mean making lots of phone calls.
Firstly ,UK residents who have been misled by these scammers must register a complaint immediatly with the Financial Regulatory Bodies in the UK.Oannagroup is a registered Company in the UK but is it regulated.? Oanna Spain,I have discovered was not regulated by any financial service authority or any other regulatory body. This Company was therefore not authorized to provide or offer regulated investment products to the public.
Oanna UK cannot deny their connection to Oanna Spain as they posted a notice on their website to the effect that they had moved their Spanish operation back to the UK. We have all seen this correspondance.
The Financial Authority has a duty to its citizens to investigate the activities of a Company which complaints have been made against. This service is completely free and there is no limit to the amount of calls you can make to them. The background to the other Company,E.M.Ltd must be explored more deeply and they need to be put under the scope of the British Watchdog too.
my concern is that innocent victims might just panic and pay out money to E.M.Ltd and throw good money after bad.Contacting radio shows and TV stations is another avenue to explore. I am stressing that this approach is going to be more effective in the UK as Oanna have a land base there and going indepth here is a good option.
When Oanna first introduced themselves to me I was impressed with the speel and felt that they had my best interests at heart. I went to their websites and saw the faces of the people I had spoken to and was happy enough. I notice that these faces have been removed from their websites now.
just had a call from an office in Strasburg re my enquiry on the funding for our claims. They know nothing about it and say that they are not aware of such a fund. They official said that we should also contact Embassies and he thought the idea of using the services of Financial regulators to go into the backround of these Companies was wise.
We mustn't part with any more money.

zsexdr 21 Nov 2008 , 12:49pm

I would never suggest physically harming anybody so dont worry there is no loaded gun in the cupboard.
The power of rowing together to dismantle these companies is the best option.
I want to share with you another horrible dilema that I found myself in recently.
I was unlucky enough to enlist the services of a shady service engineer to service my central heating system. He did the job or undid it as it happened. He requested cash for payment which I foolishly gave him. One hour later the whole heating system broke down leaving us without heat and hot water. I immediately called this man back to see what had happened. He informed me that he had spotted a weakness in the electrics of the system and basically I needed a whole new heating system. This would cost several thousand but he could do the job quickly for CASH. I plummetted into despair,fear and panic,knowling too well by now that he had sabotaged the system. I pleaded with him to help us but he started a bullying approach as he could feel my fear and panic. He talked about the thousands I needed to put together to have the honour of having him install a new system. Basically we perished for 4 days without heat and hot water until such time as I was able to get my head around finding a solution. I couldn't find another repair man who would explain what had happened.
On day 5 I emerged from my low point and contacted radio programs,newspapers,electrical companies etc.Within hours the TV station lines were jammed with calls. People telling similiar stories but most interestingly people recalled having encountered my MAN ,so I knew I was on to something. He was tracked down by the Radio station,named and shamed,put out of business and is now paying people back. This man was part of a network of scammers and vast monies were made between them. It wss discovered that he had plenty of assets.
I received my full refund from him through the station. The most extroardinary thing of all was that another service engineer heard my story and came to my rescue. He undid all the damage,gave the system a great overhaul and REFUSED to take a penny for it.
My heating system has never been in better shape and I didn't part with a penny to right the wrong.
I feel that this has been a trial run for me in the wake of the Oanna saga and now I feel couragous and very confident about a happy ending. Someone is looking over us all and trying to find the resolution for us. Fear and panic must be controlled. I am hoping that some UK victims are making contact with the Financial Service Authority.
I am not British and do not live in the UK
so there is a reluctance on the part of these offices to get off their seats.

mb6083nn 21 Nov 2008 , 12:54pm

Hi DA60 and Devastated etc. I am right now in Fuengirola until Saturday night and have had meetings with two sets of lawers who represented Fortunaland/Oanna and have asked them to establish who the current administrators of the various parcels of land are and if our shareholdings are still valid and safe, that is no1 on the agenda, forget about European Mediation we were warned about them awhile ago. I am only interested in Cazadores Reales but will post any new info as soon as, I think keep calm and stay together.

futureretro 21 Nov 2008 , 1:47pm

Looking at Fortunaland promo blurb.
I quote "Every investor of Fortuna is automatically provided with free representation during the notarization procedure by a highly reputable and well established firm of Spanish lawyers" Unquote.Can they be libel?

mb6083nn 21 Nov 2008 , 2:44pm

Your notarized deeds are correct and 100%, your shares were put into a Holding Company, different one,s for different parcels of land,you do own a parcel of land, my lawer is establishing the validity of the holding company, once I know that I will post it.

ph867631 21 Nov 2008 , 11:07pm

Does anyone know how European Mediation Ltd found out the names of the investors and land purchasers and their phone numbers? I am ex-directory.

mb6083nn 22 Nov 2008 , 9:56am

I believe that the mediation guy once worked for Fortunaland and copied the data base.

zsexdr 22 Nov 2008 , 11:35am

PLEASE PLEASE FORGET about European Mediation Ltd
I know for SURE that they are part of the same scam.Have been around all the offices in Brussels and Strasburg and there is NO FUND to help us in this regard.Someone knows exactly where each and every one of these gangsters are and I am confident that they will be brought to justice.

futureretro 22 Nov 2008 , 4:42pm

Has anyone had info from the Financial Services Authority.I sent an email but have not received a reply.

gnumpty 22 Nov 2008 , 4:53pm

Having thought myself to be a pretty savvy investor I too was dooped following the rave reviews in Hot Property Alert (of which I was an avid reader). An expensive and important lesson of not getting carried away with boom and success.

European Mediation are definitely scamsters and very poor ones at that. They are not registered with the Claims Regulatory Body at the Ministry of Justice so are operating illegally (even though they do have an application in process).

I am encouraged by the positive posts and we need to get over the feeling angry and sorry for yourself stage and collectively organise as suggested and work out our options. To try and get any of our investment back it seems to me there are 2 options:
1. The land is sold or a project is undertaken on the land that brings a return to investors. Are there any investors that could manage a project?
2. The criminals are caught and if they have assets they are seized and distributed.

I would imagine both options taking some time. It should be a priority to make contact with as many investors as possible to keep the costs of pursuing any action to a minimum.

Apologies if there is repetition here.

zsexdr 23 Nov 2008 , 9:10am

F.S.A.need to be contacted by phone and the more people who call the better.Dont put the phone down until you get satisfaction.
It was very difficult obtaining information from Strasburg and Brussels and you want to see how difficult it is to get past the door, with all the security and then the red tape.
We must be very careful about posting information here as we dont know who else is reading our messages.
There must be some other way (securely coded)that we can talk and pass on information. Computer experts out there should think about this.
I do know that there are thousands of investors out there who are caught up in this, am hearing about Canadians,Americans,Russians and so on. We may be sharing a blade of grass between us all. I also know that Lawyers invested in this,so did Police officers, builders,computer scientists,doctors etc We need to be able to reach all the investors.Keep going and dont be timid on the phone.

fortunamug 23 Nov 2008 , 3:01pm

I called the FSA myself and had a good reaction.The person had no idea about the scam ,but saw it for what it was and advised me to send documents to their Head Office.She also advised me to contact the Law Society and Min of Justice to check the credentials of EM- the rep from MOJ gave me the two words I needed-"boiler-room."
Overall,I think the situation is pretty dire,but not without hope.Surely if we're looking to recover,there would first need to be a criminal conviction.If we're looking for someone to develop the land,I think we'd need to wait until the world economy improves.But ,don't forget we still have that land.As a friend i confessed my stupidity to said-there could yet be uranium under it.

zsexdr 23 Nov 2008 , 4:29pm

Well done. Let as many victims as possible (in UK) contact the FSA tomorrow. It is only by the cumulative response of angry victims that authorities will have the impetus to devote resources. Just heard that on Tuesday of last week that the UK Government has announced that the SFO is reallocating more resources to combat OVERSEAS
CORRUPTION and extra manpower has been assigned.
This has to be good news for us. We must NOT GIVE UP or throw in the towel.

mb6083nn 23 Nov 2008 , 6:22pm

Fellow Fools,I have been going to visit Fortunaland about 3 times per year since 2004 to keep an eye on my investment, hasn't done me much good has it, but I got to know staff there quite well and this did not start of as a scam, they got far too ambitious and greedy, the main culprits are Daniele and James, but our title deeds are I think OK, this week I went out to Fuengirola again and met the lawers and have instructed them to confirm that we still own land, that is first step, if confirmed then we have to come together, the two Lawer Firms who have been involved over the years are first class and between them they know every invester. I went into look at the web site that someone suggested called oannaxfortunaland.multiply.com, I don't like it, it is not for us, we need our own secure web site, I can progress the information from the Lawers and I have the time as I am retired,and being Scottish I am quite prepared to spend money to get my money back provided it is based on real information. I am not really interested in the culprits anymore, but I am interested in my land. Thank you for listening.My e-mail address is m8rum@aol.com

zsexdr 23 Nov 2008 , 8:50pm

Yes I am enclined to believe you that this did not start out as a scam.....a bit like all the Banks around the world, they were all sound 10 years ago but greed got in the way and look at them now.

bolnuevo 24 Nov 2008 , 8:59am

I also believe this did not start as a scam and only in the last 12 months did the scam eveolve. yet to be proven.

I have worked in construction for 30 years and with a developer in the UK recently. However, Spain has its own processes and markets that require a degree of specialist knowledge in regard of what projects to follow and which doors to knock on. Lets face it Fortuna couldn't do it over 4 years!!

I outline my high level thoughts for comment below.


Number 1

I beleive that Oanna should be pursued with vigour. Not sure about Fortuna, whether there was involvement or just ineptitude or indeed whether they were close to gaining consent. Two routes should be followed - FSA (which appears to be initiated) and the TV/Radio route to expose the villains. Action required here I think unless already initiated.

Number 2

Separately we need to establish for the three areas of land (Bella/Sierra, Cazadores Reales and Mira Montana) that legal title belongs to iunvestors (I believe zsexdr is in th eprocess of doing this)

Number 3

We need to establish the extent and value of said land now and who the shareholders are and size of their interests.

Number 4

We need to check what, if any, schemes started by Fortuna and Oanna had any credibility and may be worth following up as a potential quick win.

Number 5

After that we have the basis to decide to start any viable "development path" for each of the tracts of land and establish what the right route is for each tract bearing in mind timescale, cost, likelihood of planning consent and current economic climate. It could be a straight sale is the best option.

Number 5

There needs to be a democratic desision on the way forward and funding arrangements set up (assuming nothing is forthcoming from pursuing Oanna etc.

This will take some degree of management time, expertise and obviously cost but from the numbers of investors that seem to be involved this may amount to a fairly low contribution. The first part is to esrtablish the investor base and agree the course of action.

At the momant we are just posts on a web site and, gartifying though this is to know one is not alone, concerted action is needed via some sort of action group and managing "team".

This is not intended to diminish any actions already undertaken and individuals should carry on.

zsexdr 24 Nov 2008 , 1:06pm

The following should be noted; SFO ofice,Elm House 19-16 Elm St. London UK TEl, no.020 7239 7272, 020 7239 7001/ 7190
Mr.KEITH McCARTHY is the new head if anti corruption in UK Apparently he has a lot of experience in this field.
You can email him at keithmcCarthy@sfo.qsi.gov.uk
The land in Spain wont be going anywhere so priority must be given to registering and filing complaints in the UK and dealing with the paper work. When the ball starts rolling here help will filter down to the Irish,Canadians,Japanese etc
Dont give up please.

firstbyte 24 Nov 2008 , 2:24pm

I have only this morning been sent the link to this site. Yes I am another investor in Fortunaland who only found out last week about this .I have written to companies house advising them of Euroland being part of the fraud I am at present talking to solicitors Irwin Mitchell in Spain. I will forward any info I get.
Does anyone know anything about a meeting of investors taking place this week at the Beatriz Hotel in Fuengirola? I would like to be a part of any group effort.

zsexdr 24 Nov 2008 , 3:33pm

Please keep us informed of any investors meetings.I have heard nothing.
The European Mediation guy has stopped calling me and hasn't answered my list of questions.

zsexdr 24 Nov 2008 , 4:26pm

what and who is oannaxfortunaland.multiply.com and why can't I find anything on their website??

zsexdr 24 Nov 2008 , 5:58pm

Yes,the net is closing in on these gangsters but we must be careful not to name names. We dont know who is reading our correspondance.
Every day I get little snippets of the progress thats been made at a higher level and it is encouraging to say the least.

terryjst 24 Nov 2008 , 8:38pm

another despondant investor also in touch with a group of others. I was contacted by EM and things didnt quite add up the seemingly only good thing to come from the conversation was too find this site. I will be contacting the various organisations suggested tomorrow.as a group we had considered using a spanish lawyer earlier this year but had been talked out of it by oanna.... however all us of doing the same thing individually isnt sense.
how can we find trustworthy way of getting all interested investors to communicate?

zsexdr 24 Nov 2008 , 9:23pm